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re: Edward Snowden requests asylum from Russia. Have you changed your mind?
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:20 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:20 pm to Roger Klarvin
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As soon as the US government starts arresting people for voicing their peaceful opposition to the government based on cell phone conversations, come let me know
This sentence shows even more so how you simply don't get it. It's not about being arrested, it's about being controlled.
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Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:21 pm to Alahunter
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And that is the scary part. And what leads to Gov't overreach and erosion of rights.
Exactly, and it's concerning that people have the "if you aren't doing anything wrong" mindset.
Jmo, but if the authorities knocked on my door right now to look around for no reason, I would tell them to kindly frick off. I am not doing anything wrong and have nothing to hide, but that doesn't give someone with a badge the right to search my house.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:22 pm to Roger Klarvin
It could happen, but we are certainly not at that point yet, i think there are still politicians with the best for the country in mind.
That doesnt mean we should let them do whatever they want. You have to watch with a sharp eye because it could happen to any country.
That doesnt mean we should let them do whatever they want. You have to watch with a sharp eye because it could happen to any country.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:23 pm to Alahunter
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And that is the scary part. And what leads to Gov't overreach and erosion of rights
Will you sleep any less comfortably tonight after making the posts you have made in this thread? Do you have any fear of the government kicking in your door and arresting or killing you? Do you worry about talking about how much you dislike Obama/Bush/etc. around the water cooler?
This isn't "V for Vendetta". When/If the government starts taking away my ability to live freely within the confines of the law, I'll take up arms with you.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:24 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Will you sleep any less comfortably tonight after making the posts you have made in this thread? Do you have any fear of the government kicking in your door and arresting or killing you? Do you worry about talking about how much you dislike Obama/Bush/etc. around the water cooler?
Still stuck on the arresting aspect of this... ohh you poor brainwashed soul.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:24 pm to Robert Goulet
I agree with that, but what if they knocked on the door and said we have it on good information that a terror cell is housed in either your house or one of your two neighbors house. Can we do a quick walk through to clear this location so we can try and find the cell.
Would you let them walk through your house?
Would you let them walk through your house?
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:25 pm to Roger Klarvin
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When/If the government starts taking away my ability to live freely within the confines of the law, I'll take up arms with you.
You don't have the freedom to do what you want inside your own consciousness... Tell me how free you are
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:26 pm to mograyback
Just because someone has a different opinion than you doesn't mean they are brainwashed. If you think all politicians are out to keep the working man down and control the world you are mistaken.
This post was edited on 6/23/13 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:26 pm to mograyback
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It's not about being arrested, it's about being controlled.
Has the US government ever required you, under penalty of force, to accept a certain political view or party? Has your right to vocally oppose anything ever been threatened?
I've certainly never had any view of mine threatened with government force. I've never once had an action or opinion altered by the controlling party at the time. Then again, I'm not selling meth of my mother's basement.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:28 pm to Roger Klarvin
Guess you don't remember those kids being beaten and arrested for standing unarmed in the streets to end the financial oligarchy on this planet.
This post was edited on 6/23/13 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:29 pm to Robert Goulet
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Jmo, but if the authorities knocked on my door right now to look around for no reason, I would tell them to kindly frick off.
As would I, if for no other reason than it's an inconvenience and I have that right. If however they said there was a mass murderer on the loose who very possibily could be in my yard or have broken in through a back window thought, Id have no problem with it.
My refusal or acceptance of their entry has nothing to do with my fear of them or of being violated.
This post was edited on 6/23/13 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:29 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Will you sleep any less comfortably tonight after making the posts you have made in this thread?
That has no bearing on the discussion at hand.
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Do you have any fear of the government kicking in your door and arresting or killing you?
At this point in time, no. Absolutely not.
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Do you worry about talking about how much you dislike Obama/Bush/etc. around the water cooler?
I have no doubts, that certain keywords and phrases on this site has triggered monitoring by the Gov't.
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This isn't "V for Vendetta".
Have I advocated for violent action against the Gov't? On that note though, it was a short couple of months ago, that over 1 million people were under martial law for a day, for the search of one person. Who couldn't be found, until a citizen came out of his home.
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When/If the government starts taking away my ability to live freely within the confines of the law
Good thing you didn't reside in Boston a couple of months ago. You'd have been alone in your fight.
Now let me ask you a few questions.
Do you think the Gov't spying on citizen phone calls have really stopped terrorist attacks, or do you think it's as likely they have gathered information for political purposes in as many instances?
Do you think the Gov't is capable of misusing and abusing power given to it?
Do you think the Gov't has ever infringed on the rights of its citizens covertly or planned to do so covertly, to reach a political end?
Do you think those in Gov't have the American citizens' best interests in hand?
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:29 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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Just because someone has a different opinion than you doesn't mean they are brainwashed. If you think all politicians are out to keep the working man down and control the world you are mistaken.
Hmm, it's interesting just how far people are off base in their realities. That's not what I think at all... but thanks for filling in the blank.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:31 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Has the US government ever required you, under penalty of force, to accept a certain political view or party?
Like forcing business owners to go against their Religious beliefs when it comes to abortion and health care?
This post was edited on 6/23/13 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:31 pm to Alahunter
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Do you think those in Gov't have the American citizens' best interests in hand?
Maybe 5 or 6 of them.
The country would be a better place if the rest of them would kindly frick off and die.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:32 pm to mograyback
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Still stuck on the arresting aspect of this
It's not merely about an arrest, it's about the mindset. In the end, if there is no threat of government force for your actions you have no reason to fear them. If the government cant arrest you for murder or theft, why not murder or steal? If, ultimately, you aren't afraid of the government kicking down our door and arresting you for doing something then your entire outrage is a faux show of misguided patriotism at best.
So I'm going to have to insist that you answer the question
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:33 pm to Robot Santa
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Do you think those in Gov't have the American citizens' best interests in hand?
In a fascist state (which is what we are) even if individual politicians are truly good, it doesn't really matter. The primary function of government is to put financial and corporate entities above individual people.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:35 pm to Roger Klarvin
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It's not merely about an arrest, it's about the mindset. In the end, if there is no threat of government force for your actions you have no reason to fear them. If the government cant arrest you for murder or theft, why not murder or steal?
Shocking that you still don't get this... has nothing to do with arresting the common citizen. Not sure if saying if for a 4th time will redirect your response... doubt it.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:36 pm to Alahunter
Nobody was forced to stay in their homes in Boston. Nobody. Martial law was never officially declared. If people took the governments show of force as an implication of martial law or their recommendation to stay in doors as a requirement, that is their fault.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:37 pm to mograyback
Maybe you should make a point instead of just saying people are brainwashed and live in la la land. What is it that you think is going on and what are you worried about.
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