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re: Edward Snowden requests asylum from Russia. Have you changed your mind?
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:37 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:37 pm to Roger Klarvin
You neglected to answer the other questions. You also didn't make any mention of some people being forced out of their homes for the search, holding their arms up high in the air.
And this... this is just a strange rationalization on your part:
And this... this is just a strange rationalization on your part:
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If people took the governments show of force as an implication of martial law or their recommendation to stay in doors as a requirement, that is their fault
This post was edited on 6/23/13 at 5:39 pm
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Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:37 pm to mograyback
So you're refusing to answer the question then?
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:40 pm to Roger Klarvin
Is this real life?
I've kept saying it's not about fear of arrest, but of control. Having all this information on the common citizens is not so the gov't can kick in their doors, it's a way for them to control things cleaner from the top. Not sure why this notion is flying over your head.
I've kept saying it's not about fear of arrest, but of control. Having all this information on the common citizens is not so the gov't can kick in their doors, it's a way for them to control things cleaner from the top. Not sure why this notion is flying over your head.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:41 pm to mograyback
What are hey controlling? Are you saying it is for political purposes, one of the parties, or both?
Or is this an upper class trying to control everyone type thing?
Just trying to wrap my ahead around your belief
Or is this an upper class trying to control everyone type thing?
Just trying to wrap my ahead around your belief
This post was edited on 6/23/13 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:42 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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What are hey controlling? Are you saying it is for political purposes, one of the parties, or both?
Just stop trying to exercise a severely lazy brain. Just go make some mac n cheese and call it a night.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:43 pm to Alahunter
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Do you think the Gov't spying on citizen phone calls have really stopped terrorist attacks
I have no idea. If forced to guess, I'd say it's likely some plans to take American lives have been thwarted.
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or do you think it's as likely they have gathered information for political purposes in as many instances?
Again, no idea, and again if forced to guess I'd saying probably. Without letting you off easy though, I'd like to know exactly what dramatic swing of the political pendulum could be performed by listening to random cell phone conversations?
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Do you think the Gov't is capable of misusing and abusing power given to it?
Absolutely, interstate commerce being the most obvious example.
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Do you think the Gov't has ever infringed on the rights of its citizens covertly or planned to do so covertly, to reach a political end?
Probably, but your implication of covert operations and political ends are not what I have in mind.
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Do you think those in Gov't have the American citizens' best interests in hand?
Some do, some don't. Political office requires a certain level of personal ambition, and inherent in that are people who take it too far.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:43 pm to mograyback
Wow, so you don't really know what you are scared is happening. Is it just the man keepin you down? I'm sorry about that.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:46 pm to mograyback
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Having all this information on the common citizens is not so the gov't can kick in their doors, it's a way for them to control things cleaner from the top.
The government acquires infinitely more information from the census than from random phone calls.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:52 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The government acquires infinitely more information from the census than from random phone calls.
Oh boy.. now I know you're living in your own little bubble.
Ever heard of the Utah Data Center?
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:53 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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Wow, so you don't really know what you are scared is happening. Is it just the man keepin you down? I'm sorry about that.
No, it's more like looking at broken glass and trying to take a drink out of it. No point in even trying.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:55 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:Then why concede Constitutional Rights, when no benefit has been shown?
I have no idea
quote:You believe there has been abuse, but willingly argue that it should continue.
Again, no idea,..probably
quote:Again, willingly giving more power to an entity that absolutely is and can be corrupt.
Absolutely, interstate commerce being the most obvious example
quote:I'm guessing this will be the only agreement, in that we have vastly different views.
Probably, but your implication of covert operations and political ends are not what I have in mind
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:56 pm to mograyback
Haha. I figured it out, you are an idiot.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:56 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The government acquires infinitely more information from the census than from random phone calls
Did you hold your buttcheeks open when saying this, or did it kind of muffle out of your arse?
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:57 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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Posted on 6/23/13 at 6:04 pm to semotruman
frick the US Federal Gov't... frick em frick em frick em.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 6:05 pm to mograyback
If you would just state your opinion instead of these general brainwashed comments and random facts it would make a lo more sense.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 6:08 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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If you would just state your opinion instead of these general brainwashed comments and random facts it would make a lo more sense.
You need Rosetta Stone, man. Can't really help you in a couple posts online, you've neglected this for too long to get brought up to speed in a post or two.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 6:08 pm to Alahunter
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Again, willingly giving more power to an entity that absolutely is and can be corrupt.
I have no say in the matter, the government DOES have power and it is not contingent upon my acknowledgement or acceptance of it.
What exactly do you want? Anarchy? Because the only way to prevent political abuse is to deprive a government of its power ENTIRELY. If the government has even the slightest bit of power, they can and in some cases will abuse it.
Either you accept the good and bad the government brings to the table or you accept nothing but self-rule. The reality is that there is no in between. A non-absusive government doesn't exist. Comparing the US to the rest of the world however reveals a relative lack of corruption.
However, if you would like a lack of governmental power and control I suggest moving to Somalia. I hear it's great this time of year and you can call whoever you want all day free from spying, assuming you are in the three spots in the country that get cell reception.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 6:10 pm to mograyback
You don't really have an idea of what they are doing. You just believe it is what? Trying to maintain power? Keep the people down?
it is ok to say it. Everyone reading this can already tell.
And I am aware of lots of this stuff. So no need to get into specifics. I assume you were taught what a thesis statement was. Two or three sentences should be enough to give a general overview.
it is ok to say it. Everyone reading this can already tell.
And I am aware of lots of this stuff. So no need to get into specifics. I assume you were taught what a thesis statement was. Two or three sentences should be enough to give a general overview.
This post was edited on 6/23/13 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 6/23/13 at 6:11 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Comparing the US to the rest of the world however reveals a relative lack of corruption.
This is a tremendous misconception.
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However, if you would like a lack of governmental power and control I suggest moving to Somalia.
Zero sum comments are lame. The opposite of a government stranglehold is not Somalia.
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