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re: Edward Snowden requests asylum from Russia. Have you changed your mind?
Posted on 6/23/13 at 2:36 pm to semotruman
Posted on 6/23/13 at 2:36 pm to semotruman
Have any of you ever read A Brave New World?
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Posted on 6/23/13 at 2:37 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
quote:If we were to strip the financial aspect ie incentive away, then multiple parties and even non-party-affiliated candidates would be on a more even playing field. Also consider a ban on advertising. The electorate would then become more dependent on debates, town hall meetings and word of mouth. We could then require the media to encourage more of these kinds of activities and cover them as a whole.
But money is the driving factor in elections. Feel free to run as an independent. But good luck getting your name out there. Do the masses really research enough to hear about the unknown candidate who hasn't been plastered all over the tv. The only way I could see I happening is with campaign finance and airtime limits.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 2:47 pm to 3xlsugrad
While the idea is good in theory, you would end up with people voting directly on party lines because most of the country isn't going to put that much time in. The one pot idea with even splits is something similar to other solutions i have discussed before. The third party would be good I think we should also have a "peoples" slot, who is pretty much a write in candidate in prelims so anyone can run. I haven't thought out how the selection of him would work, but would be open for any person that is allowed to run constitutionally and would be in all debates etc. would either get a spli of pot, or a minimum amount funded by other parties to a point in form of required fees
Posted on 6/23/13 at 2:51 pm to 3xlsugrad
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If we were to strip the financial aspect ie incentive away, then multiple parties and even non-party-affiliated candidates would be on a more even playing field.
True - but those in power have the money, and they're not giving up that power.
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Also consider a ban on advertising. The electorate would then become more dependent on debates, town hall meetings and word of mouth. We could then require the media to encourage more of these kinds of activities and cover them as a whole.
Again - too much money at stake. The media makes a fortune off political advertising. They won't give that up. Now, if we could agree to set aside a specific amount of $$ for elections, spread that money evenly to all candidates, and eliminate private contributions....you might get closer to where you want to be. But political advertising is a multi-billion dollar segment of TV advertising. The networks and cable companies will fight to keep that channel flowing, and use the power of their "news" coverage to convince us it should remain status quo.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 3:32 pm to semotruman
Patriot, no doubt about it.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 4:19 pm to semotruman
How the F is he a traitor?
The government is a machine, we are the people, he sided with the people. He's a hero.
The government is a machine, we are the people, he sided with the people. He's a hero.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 4:19 pm to semotruman
I will lean towards patriot.
Anybody who didn't see this coming when the Patriot Act was signed into legislation is blind. We've given up many of our American freedoms under the guise of being more secure.
One could possibly argue that the US govt is the biggest terrorist of them all. From our foreign policy to the unnecessary spying on ordinary citizens to all the other shite.
Oh and for the Dem vs. Repub debate, I say lets throw a Libertarian in office and call it a day. Their political agenda makes more sense than anybody's IMO.
Anybody who didn't see this coming when the Patriot Act was signed into legislation is blind. We've given up many of our American freedoms under the guise of being more secure.
One could possibly argue that the US govt is the biggest terrorist of them all. From our foreign policy to the unnecessary spying on ordinary citizens to all the other shite.
Oh and for the Dem vs. Repub debate, I say lets throw a Libertarian in office and call it a day. Their political agenda makes more sense than anybody's IMO.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 4:21 pm to Robert Goulet
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I will lean towards patriot.
Anybody who didn't see this coming when the Patriot Act was signed into legislation is blind. We've given up many of our American freedoms under the guise of being more secure.
One could possibly argue that the US govt is the biggest terrorist of them all. From our foreign policy to the unnecessary spying on ordinary citizens to all the other shite.
Oh and for the Dem vs. Repub debate, I say lets throw a Libertarian in office and call it a day. Their political agenda makes more sense than anybody's IMO.
Hallelujah
Posted on 6/23/13 at 4:22 pm to mograyback
"no one gives a damn about the things I give a damn about, the liberties we just can't do without seem to disappear like ghosts in the air, we don't even care until it truly vanishes away" Jason Isbell Alabama Pines
Posted on 6/23/13 at 4:42 pm to semotruman
First of all, people need to get it through their heads that the government isn't "spying" on your conversations. The United States doesn't care if you're cheating on your wife or how much money you cheated your neighbor out of. They have certain individuals and certain key topics they are monitoring for the purposes of national security. They don't give two shits about what joe blow housewife is calling her friend about nor do they monitor it. 98% of the outrage over this is comical and unfounded as those complaining have no dog in the fight.
As for those actually being monitored: Maybe you shouldn't have linked yourself with terrorism and/or blown shite up in the past.
And for the record, if monitoring my phone calls helps the government prevent the death of Americans I have no problem with it. Zero. None. Why? Because maybe me or someone I love is one of those lives saved.
As for those actually being monitored: Maybe you shouldn't have linked yourself with terrorism and/or blown shite up in the past.
And for the record, if monitoring my phone calls helps the government prevent the death of Americans I have no problem with it. Zero. None. Why? Because maybe me or someone I love is one of those lives saved.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 4:49 pm to Roger Klarvin
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First of all, people need to get it through their heads that the government isn't "spying" on your conversations.
Ok.
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Faulk says he and others in his section of the NSA facility at Fort Gordon routinely shared salacious or tantalizing phone calls that had been intercepted, alerting office mates to certain time codes of "cuts" that were available on each operator's computer.
"Hey, check this out," Faulk says he would be told, "there's good phone sex or there's some pillow talk, pull up this call, it's really funny, go check it out. It would be some colonel making pillow talk and we would say, 'Wow, this was crazy'," Faulk told ABC News
Posted on 6/23/13 at 4:52 pm to Alahunter
Are you being intentionally dense or do you simply not understand what most tin-foil hat wearing Americans are talking about when they say "spying"?
Laughing about the 400 pound chick you stuck it in after one too many margaritas isn't spying. Random interception is not spying and nobody cares about it.
Laughing about the 400 pound chick you stuck it in after one too many margaritas isn't spying. Random interception is not spying and nobody cares about it.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 4:59 pm to Roger Klarvin
I think you're being extremely naive and are blindly trusting that Gov't is inherently good. Spying on citizens without probable cause is wrong. It's against the fundamental establishment of the 4th Amendment. You may disagree with me over the "importance", but you are wrong, if you think it isn't spying.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:08 pm to Alahunter
Again, I think you're ignoring the phone tapping, tailing and ultimate physical addressing of one's actions that most of the conspiracy theorists mean when they talk about spying.
Even if I concede that what you are talking about is spying in such a sense, I still don't care. The government isn't going to do anything to me based on pillow talk and harsh language. They can listen all they want. Nobody who has nothing to hide has any reason to feel differently other than some misguided sense of patriotism.
Even if I concede that what you are talking about is spying in such a sense, I still don't care. The government isn't going to do anything to me based on pillow talk and harsh language. They can listen all they want. Nobody who has nothing to hide has any reason to feel differently other than some misguided sense of patriotism.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:11 pm to Roger Klarvin
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First of all, people need to get it through their heads that the government isn't "spying" on your conversations. The United States doesn't care if you're cheating on your wife or how much money you cheated your neighbor out of. They have certain individuals and certain key topics they are monitoring for the purposes of national security. They don't give two shits about what joe blow housewife is calling her friend about nor do they monitor it. 98% of the outrage over this is comical and unfounded as those complaining have no dog in the fight.
As for those actually being monitored: Maybe you shouldn't have linked yourself with terrorism and/or blown shite up in the past.
And for the record, if monitoring my phone calls helps the government prevent the death of Americans I have no problem with it. Zero. None. Why? Because maybe me or someone I love is one of those lives saved.
You have a severely brainwashed brain.
Guess you've never read a dystopian novel.
And you're way way off base about who/what is being monitored. The terrorism, protecting America thing is a farce, or at least greatly overblown. The have everything on everyone, and it's a mechanism for controlling a large group of people.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:13 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Even if I concede that what you are talking about is spying in such a sense, I still don't care. The government isn't going to do anything to me based on pillow talk and harsh language. They can listen all they want. Nobody who has nothing to hide has any reason to feel differently other than some misguided sense of patriotism.
Just reading this tells me how far you are from understanding.... what you say makes sense to you, bc within your version of reality it makes sense. Unfortunately your version of reality is wrong.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:15 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Nobody who has nothing to hide has any reason to feel differently other than some misguided sense of patriotism.
And that is the scary part. And what leads to Gov't overreach and erosion of rights.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:17 pm to mograyback
I have got to say I agree with him if it is being used for terror monitoring only. Americans need to pick a side, either have these programs and prevent the attacks like we have been, or suck it up and take it on the chin when our county gets hit.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:18 pm to mograyback
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Guess you've never read a dystopian novel.
The difference between you and I, apparently, is that I don't base my sense of reality on what George Orwell wrote 65 years ago.
As soon as the US government starts arresting people for voicing their peaceful opposition to the government based on cell phone conversations, come let me know. Until then, you're just looking for something to bitch about. The very fact that you are posting thoughts such as those in this thread without fear of reprimand is proof of how absurd your position is.
This post was edited on 6/23/13 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 6/23/13 at 5:19 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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I have got to say I agree with him if it is being used for terror monitoring only. Americans need to pick a side, either have these programs and prevent the attacks like we have been, or suck it up and take it on the chin when our county gets hit.
I really wish I lived in this very popular place called la-la land. Seems like an easy place to be.
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