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re: Edward Snowden requests asylum from Russia. Have you changed your mind?
Posted on 6/23/13 at 1:49 pm to semotruman
Posted on 6/23/13 at 1:49 pm to semotruman
Speaking of 1984, isn't it amazing that in the end, both Orwell and Huxley will end having been right if that kind of shite comes to pass.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 1:49 pm to semotruman
quote:I would agree about the nature of politicians in today's political environment. However something I was forced to come to terms with is that since we have a two party system that locks out all other groups and who predominantly stick to party ideals rather than evaluating individual issues, compromise is the key. Without compromise on the part of our politicians our government becomes stagnant, and not in a positive way. It is the nature of the deals struck in the name of compromise that give politicians a bad name. Bring back the Whigs?
And I don't think we have many people in power these days that are as noble and idealistic as the framers. Unfortunately. I have very little respect for politicians.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 1:51 pm to 3xlsugrad
Like motherfricking George Washington said on day 1.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 1:52 pm to Alahunter
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This country is already terrorized by outside persons
Maybe, but to the average Joe, nothing of significance has happened since 9/11.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 1:52 pm to Alahunter
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Undetermined at the moment. I believe releasing info that the Gov't was being intrusive on citizens was the right thing to do though.
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Outside of the 4th Amendment. Secret courts granting secret surveillance hardly jives with privacy protections of citizens.
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This country is already terrorized by outside persons. One could argue, that our own Gov't acts in a terrorist way at times. It's the cost of freedom. And more violations of Constitutional Rights won't prevent something from happening down the road at some point.
I didn't think it was possible for Alahunter and I to agree on anything politically, but...
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Posted on 6/23/13 at 1:57 pm to ImperialPalace
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ImperialPalace
Once folks can see past their prejudices (), they see I'm right most of the time.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 1:59 pm to 3xlsugrad
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However something I was forced to come to terms with is that since we have a two party system that locks out all other groups and who predominantly stick to party ideals rather than evaluating individual issues, compromise is the key. Without compromise on the part of our politicians our government becomes stagnant, and not in a positive way. It is the nature of the deals struck in the name of compromise that give politicians a bad name. Bring back the Whigs?
Bring back the Whigs, or allow a third party to emerge to counter the extremism on both ends.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 2:02 pm to semotruman
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Bring back the Whigs, or allow a third party to emerge to counter the extremism on both ends.
This.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 2:02 pm to semotruman
Will never happen unfortunately. Need no parties actually. But 3 would be better. I feel like it would end up being another extremist party though. It isn't just north and south and a happy middle if that makes any sense.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 2:02 pm to semotruman
quote:At least a third. Is there a feasible way to make the process more inclusive without banning all lobbyists (and therefore their money)? Is a person's money actually representative of a person's right to free speech? I don't claim to have that figure out yet, but it is a central question to restoring integrity to our political process.
allow a third party to emerge to counter the extremism on both ends.
This post was edited on 6/23/13 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 6/23/13 at 2:08 pm to semotruman
I'm leaning whistle blower at the moment. The US bitches about China hacking, but as it turns out the US are hypocrites.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 2:09 pm to 3xlsugrad
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At least a third. Is there a feasible way to make the process more inclusive without banning all lobbyists (and therefore their money)? Is a person's money actually representative of a person's right to free speech? I don't claim to have that figure out yet, but it is a central question to restoring integrity to our political process.
The roadblock to this is the two existing parties. They are more concerned with power and party platforms than serving the people who elect them, and they're not going to give that power up willingly. Right now, a 3rd party can't even get on the ballot unless their candidate received 5% of the vote in the previous election. And neither the Rs nor the Ds will support changing that rule - they won't do anything to potentially erode their own power.
I'd be for banning all lobbyists. They should exist to provide information only, not to buy votes. They override our voting rights - we can elect the politician, but when his vote on an issue is up for grabs to the lobbyists, the people's power, and interests, get pushed further down the priority chain.
I don't have the answers either.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 2:09 pm to 3xlsugrad
But money is the driving factor in elections. Feel free to run as an independent. But good luck getting your name out there. Do the masses really research enough to hear about the unknown candidate who hasn't been plastered all over the tv. The only way I could see I happening is with campaign finance and airtime limits.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 2:12 pm to diddydirtyAubie
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I'm leaning whistle blower at the moment. The US bitches about China hacking, but as it turns out the US are hypocrites.
Diddy, didn't you already know this? We may complain, but our spy network is probably the most sophisticated int he world. Of course we spy - on the Chinese, the Russians, every middle-eastern country, etc. Our ands are definitely not clean.
Now, that's not meant as an anti-government comment. We are no worse than any other country, and I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. For all of our faults, I think we're still the best place to live.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 2:13 pm to semotruman
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I'd be for banning all lobbyists
This would help. Or make it illegal for individuals or individual campaigns to accept donations. Any and all political donations would have to go into one national fund, and those funds distributed evenly among candidates for office, no matter what side of the issue they are on.
Either pay for your own campaign for office, or draw from the pool. Nobody would have undue influence from PACS, or organizations with political agendas.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 2:14 pm to Alahunter
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Once folks can see past their prejudices ( ), they see I'm right most of the time.
As for third parties, they'll never work in the long-term under our current election system. The only way third parties could thrive in this country would be if we moved to a proportional representation scheme, like zee Germans. Create a small threshold that third parties could reach so that single-issue voters (I don't count myself among them) can have a voice in the system.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 2:14 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
the two parties control everything. They determine who gets elected (as in either the repub candidate or dem candidate will win).
So the people in office are really slaves to the party. You don't want to vote with us? Fine next time run your own campaign.
If a major third party was to emerge would be interesting to see if gettin bills passed in congress would become easier, or nearly impossible.
So the people in office are really slaves to the party. You don't want to vote with us? Fine next time run your own campaign.
If a major third party was to emerge would be interesting to see if gettin bills passed in congress would become easier, or nearly impossible.
This post was edited on 6/23/13 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 6/23/13 at 2:14 pm to semotruman
I just wish the US would STFU about what the Chinese are doing with internet spying.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 2:26 pm to Alahunter
only when you're not talking about
Posted on 6/23/13 at 2:31 pm to diddydirtyAubie
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I just wish the US would STFU about what the Chinese are doing with internet spying.
There's a political reason behind this. They complain about what everyone else does, and try to keep us distracted from what we do. Snowden exposed that we're hypocrites - which most people knew but didn't have info that solid to back it up. I'm just concerned about the long-term consequences of the info he has.
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