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re: Do you think God controls the weather?
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:32 pm to rbWarEagle
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:32 pm to rbWarEagle
Dude you can believe what you want to believe, it's no skin off my teeth, but don't try and belittle what I believe just because you don't believe it. You see I'm never going to convince you nor will you ever convince me otherwise, it's one of the the things that make this world interesting.
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Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:33 pm to the808bass
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And the idiot taps out.
- the Christian
Give me a second and I'll respond to your other post while we continue to waste our time.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:35 pm to Agforlife
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quote: First of all the devil exists too. Second of all you do not know how God operates, none of us do. That's why it's called faith. God is not human so to try and understand from human logic will never give a human acceptable answers
Are those your words Ag?
Because they are full of wisdom.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:38 pm to Agforlife
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Dude you can believe what you want to believe, it's no skin off my teeth, but don't try and belittle what I believe just because you don't believe it.
Talk about hypocrisy. You're always whining on here about political correctness and people getting their feelings hurt, but you think everyone should have to respect your religious beliefs. Can't have it both ways.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:39 pm to rbWarEagle
You said(through your quote) that because we (may) call a disaster Gods will we choose to avoid the suffering of other humans, I pointed out that that is false.
Now you say it's not ok to help others when they are suffering if we don't tell them they are suffering due to random chance?
Now you say it's not ok to help others when they are suffering if we don't tell them they are suffering due to random chance?
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:42 pm to the808bass
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I answered your question. You just don't like it because it's a leading question and I didn't take the bait.
The proposition that god is outside of our understanding does not bolster a belief in a 2000 year old text.
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It seems odd to argue that a Christian belief in Providence erodes compassion and empathy when it seems to have the opposite effect in actual, practical life.
It seems odd to think this is a strong argument. I can't speak for Sam Harris, but I think he would say that a belief that "god must have done it" reduces the impact of the emotion... it makes people feel better when they should be extraordinarily sad.
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What if one person died in an earthquake in the history of the world? Should that be a valid argument against God being in charge of nature?
That would be enough for rational people to bring up the questions proposed in the quote.
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Should the concept of death in any iteration be an argument against the existence of God? If not, it's not a coherent argument to say a catastrophe is proof there is no God.
The assertion was that god is either impotent, evil, or doesn't exist. An argument for any of the three could be make equally as strong as your argument for the existence of a kind and loving god.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:42 pm to Stonehog
Where do I whine about anything you little lying punk. How am I being a hypocrite because I ask someone not to belittle my beliefs, I didn't belittle his, I tried to answer his questions with what I believe, you on the other hand just want to stir up shite so in short stfu.
This post was edited on 5/24/15 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:48 pm to Old Sarge
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You said(through your quote) that because we (may) call a disaster Gods will we choose to avoid the suffering of other humans, I pointed out that that is false.
In your opinion it is false.
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Now you say it's not ok to help others when they are suffering if we don't tell them they are suffering due to random chance?
I'm not 100% sure what you are saying because of the way you phrased this, so I'll say what I think about the issue of suffering and compassion. I think that people going through great loss due to the nature of the universe (determined, not random) deserve compassion. To me, telling someone that it was "god's will" is a misguided attempt to reduce suffering by changing the context of the situation. I think empathy (and then compassion) can be more fully experienced when we understand the true loss of someone without framing it as if it were a part of some bigger plan.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:50 pm to Agforlife
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but don't try and belittle what I believe just because you don't believe it.
Ideas should be allowed to be criticized. I'm not belittling you.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:51 pm to rbWarEagle
So it's nothing but your personal opinion. To be clear.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:51 pm to Old Sarge
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So it's nothing but your personal opinion. To be clear.
This entire thread is nothing but opinion, Sarge. I just happen to believe my opinion is better.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:55 pm to rbWarEagle
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Ideas should be allowed to be criticized. I'm not belittling you.
I know bad choice of words, I am having this discussion on 2 boards at once so I apoligize for insinuating something. I stand by the rest of it though.
This post was edited on 5/24/15 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:55 pm to the808bass
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And the idiot taps out.
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Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:57 pm to Old Sarge
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Are those your words Ag?
Because they are full of wisdom.
No stole em from the OTL but it sums up what I feel. I am not much of a wordsmith and my point gets lost when I try and explain so I stole it (said I stole in the first post)
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:59 pm to rbWarEagle
808 is a highly intelligent individual and was correct in his points, but does lack in bedside manner
Posted on 5/24/15 at 3:04 pm to Old Sarge
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808 is a highly intelligent individual and was correct in his points
Let's agree to disagree.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 3:06 pm to rbWarEagle
Agreed
And now I'm logging out to take the family out to Chinese:
Let the jealousy ensue
And now I'm logging out to take the family out to Chinese:
Let the jealousy ensue
Posted on 5/24/15 at 3:31 pm to rbWarEagle
6 pages!?
Does God control the weather gets six bloody pages!?
Suggesting that God can directly control the weather means he let's bad things happen to people and expands human suffering because...he's a Republican and hates poor people?
The easy and obvious answer for the religious is that God set the rules of the game so life can exist on earth and thus weather is just a result of that. Can't understand why they'd ever argue anything different because the implications are both troubling and much harder to defend. Why would a loving God direct typhoons to kill people? Make drought happen in Africa? Makes far more sense to be hands off on the weather, let it keep the natural order, and offer spiritual support for those fricked by the system.
Does God control the weather gets six bloody pages!?
Suggesting that God can directly control the weather means he let's bad things happen to people and expands human suffering because...he's a Republican and hates poor people?
The easy and obvious answer for the religious is that God set the rules of the game so life can exist on earth and thus weather is just a result of that. Can't understand why they'd ever argue anything different because the implications are both troubling and much harder to defend. Why would a loving God direct typhoons to kill people? Make drought happen in Africa? Makes far more sense to be hands off on the weather, let it keep the natural order, and offer spiritual support for those fricked by the system.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 3:39 pm to Duke
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Why would a loving God direct typhoons to kill people? Make drought happen in Africa?
Maybe it's an angry God.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 9:19 pm to rbWarEagle
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proposition that god is outside of our understanding does not bolster a belief in a 2000 year old text.
You have the attention span of Boo Radley. You've now tackled the problem of pain, the problem of miracles and the inspiration of Christian scripture in 3 pages of your "simple" response.
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It seems odd to think this is a strong argument. I can't speak for Sam Harris, but I think he would say that a belief that "god must have done it" reduces the impact of the emotion... it makes people feel better when they should be extraordinarily sad.
It's not odd to think it's a strong argument when you actually see it worked out time and again in real life rather than in the mental masturbations of an atheist. If a dude says "according to my theory, if you mix blue and yellow you will get purple" and when I mix blue and yellow, time and again I get green. I will begin to think his theory is just his own misguided rant.
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That would be enough for rational people
So, to be clear, you're asserting the presence of death is a convincing argument against the existence of God?
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