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re: Do you think God controls the weather?
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:15 pm to the808bass
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:15 pm to the808bass
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Oh, you've been a Christian? That changes everything.
Yes, I have. I remember my mind being closed.
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Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:15 pm to Old Sarge
Stolen from the OTL because it's what I feel.
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First of all the devil exists too. Second of all you do not know how God operates, none of us do. That's why it's called faith. God is not human so to try and understand from human logic will never give a human acceptable answers
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:17 pm to rbWarEagle
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Yes, I have. I remember my mind being closed.
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Merely having an open mind is nothing. The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.
-Chesterton
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:18 pm to rbWarEagle
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Have you been an atheist?
We are all born atheists, right? I chose to believe in God after I chose to open my eyes and experience/see Him.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:19 pm to the808bass
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I believe the earthquake in Nepal happened.
Not a lot of Christians in Nepal. Makes sense to me. Point 1 for the God guys.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:19 pm to rbWarEagle
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You didn't answer my question.
God may have caused the earthquake in Nepal or He may not have. That is not for me to decide.
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God does not will everything that happens, but God wills something in everything that happens.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:20 pm to Stonehog
You spend so much time trying to run down posters of faith.
It's precious
It's precious
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:21 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
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Makes sense to me. Point 1 for the God guys.
You have a lot of faith. You just place it in conspiracy theories and odd sociological beliefs. You don't have any left for "traditional" religion because you waste all your faith on inconsequential nonsense.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:24 pm to the808bass
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You don't have any left for "traditional" religion
Neither do I, but I do have faith in God. You see God and religion are two entirely seperate things.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:24 pm to the808bass
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You just place it in conspiracy theories
Which conspiracy theories would that be?
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You don't have any left for "traditional" religion because you waste all your faith on inconsequential nonsense.
You are a silly fool.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:24 pm to the808bass
Alright, let me back up. I would like to rephrase what I said about a basic exercise in logic, as that was a bit of a jab towards what I view to be nonsense. Instead, I will say that the belief that god intervenes or controls the weather (or natural disasters) makes absolutely zero sense to me (and quite a lot of people like me). You (C.S. Lewis) can make whatever philosophical argument you'd like to make, but to me, it lacks in reason. Since we're quoting people:
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“Either God can do nothing to stop catastrophes like this, or he doesn't care to, or he doesn’t exist. God is either impotent, evil, or imaginary. Take your pick, and choose wisely.
The only sense to make of tragedies like this is that terrible things can happen to perfectly innocent people. This understanding inspires compassion.
Religious faith, on the other hand, erodes compassion. Thoughts like, 'this might be all part of God’s plan,' or 'there are no accidents in life,' or 'everyone on some level gets what he or she deserves' - these ideas are not only stupid, they are extraordinarily callous. They are nothing more than a childish refusal to connect with the suffering of other human beings. It is time to grow up and let our hearts break at moments like this.”
-Sam Harris
This post was edited on 5/24/15 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:25 pm to Agforlife
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Neither do I, but I do have faith in God. You see God and religion are two entirely seperate things.
Good.
I think faith is best experienced in the community of faith.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:26 pm to rbWarEagle
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(P.S. You still didn't answer my question)
He will never answer your question. He will just change the discussion and jab around it. Its an argument he cant win and he knows it.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:28 pm to rbWarEagle
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First of all the devil exists too. Second of all you do not know how God operates, none of us do. That's why it's called faith. God is not human so to try and understand from human logic will never give a human acceptable answers
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:28 pm to the808bass
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God may have caused the earthquake in Nepal or He may not have. That is not for me to decide.
That is a great non-answer and a clear representation of the time wasting exhibition we have engaged ourselves in.
I wish you the best, though.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:29 pm to Agforlife
The devil is one of the most absurd ideas I can even imagine. I'm just going to leave that one alone, if you don't mind.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:29 pm to rbWarEagle
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They are nothing more than a childish refusal to connect with the suffering of other human beings
But yet Christians do more to (financially and physically) aid and relieve others from suffering than any other group in the world. This choosing TO connect with the suffering of other human beings.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:30 pm to rbWarEagle
I answered your question. You just don't like it because it's a leading question and I didn't take the bait.
It seems odd to argue that a Christian belief in Providence erodes compassion and empathy when it seems to have the opposite effect in actual, practical life.
Finally, an argument that God should have created a world without pain seems to be a shallow argument to me. Should God stop me from getting splinters or blisters? Why or why not? Is the degree of the catastrophe that irks that person's argument? What if one person died in an earthquake in the history of the world? Should that be a valid argument against God being in charge of nature? Should the concept of death in any iteration be an argument against the existence of God? If not, it's not a coherent argument to say a catastrophe is proof there is no God.
It seems odd to argue that a Christian belief in Providence erodes compassion and empathy when it seems to have the opposite effect in actual, practical life.
Finally, an argument that God should have created a world without pain seems to be a shallow argument to me. Should God stop me from getting splinters or blisters? Why or why not? Is the degree of the catastrophe that irks that person's argument? What if one person died in an earthquake in the history of the world? Should that be a valid argument against God being in charge of nature? Should the concept of death in any iteration be an argument against the existence of God? If not, it's not a coherent argument to say a catastrophe is proof there is no God.
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:31 pm to Old Sarge
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But yet Christians do more to (financially and physically) aid and relieve others from suffering than any other group in the world. This choosing TO connect with the suffering of other human beings.
.... while telling them that it was god's will. I know that seems okay to you, but it isn't okay to me. I'm done, fellas. Can't wait for football season
Posted on 5/24/15 at 2:31 pm to rbWarEagle
And the idiot taps out.
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