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Cute quote.

Bigotry isn't always bad. It's bad when it's based on the wrong things. You and I will obviously disagree on those things.

And the quote ignores the possibility that the "weaker" isn't truth. I have no duty to tolerate lies, weak or strong.

Eta: I misread the quote. But my basic principle applies. Might doesn't make right. There is objective right and wrong which exist outside of force. Ignoring these truths is fun and enlightened. And then you die.

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And the quote ignores the possibility that the "weaker" isn't truth.

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No, no it doesnt. Not at all.

The premise has literally nothing to do with what is and is not actually true, but with the hypocritical and illogical nature of human thinking. Regardless of whether or not a given belief is true, people demand their beliefs be tolerated when they are the minority, and demand other beliefs be trampled asunder when they are the majority. We are all guilty of this on some level, as human consciousness places self-preservation of thought above objective reality and tolerance.

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I wouldn't support a business that wouldn't serve black people. The current way doesn't allow me to know who's a racist because they have to follow the given law.

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It's better to have the laws and hide discrimination than otherwise.

For instance, there might be a restaurant owner who has his business robbed 4 times in a month by black kids. Given no laws, his response might be to refuse to allow black people into his restaurant even though he harbors no ill will towards black people in general.

If I knew the facts, I would not think the man a racist and would not avoid his business because of it. Stereotypes become more truthful as the radius of their influence decreases.

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Good point. Giving my perspective a second thought.

All the objective, observable evidence from human existence and recorded history indicate that morality is subjective and evolves with time and place.

Could morality be objective? Sure, but there's no good reason to believe it is outside the inner comfort it can bring.

You and PrivatePublic bring up good points. Worth a second thinking of my position.

Yeah, lots of people seem to want the "opportunity" to decide for themselves whether to patronize businesses that discriminate. Magnanimity, however, has no place within the laws of a society.

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. There is no objective reason to believe we are anything more than primates with large frontal lobes if we are honest with ourselves.

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I am superior to the rest of you monkeys

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All the objective, observable evidence from human existence and recorded history indicate that morality is subjective and evolves with time and place. Could morality be objective? Sure, but there's no good reason to believe it is outside the inner comfort it can bring.

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Free yo mind, Big Rog.

There is more similarity in morality throughout the course of human history than dissimilarity. At the risk of cliche, the exceptions prove the rule. Theft, adultery, murder are almost universally proscribed. Public property and family are protected. Parents are set up as the authority over children.

That tribe in New Guinea which celebrates lying isn't a strong argument for a subjective morality. Despite what your Comparative Religions professor said.

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Only humans think in terms of right and wrong.

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And?

Is your position on this correct?