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re: Breaking: Black Suspect Shoots Cop in Missouri During Traffic Stop
Posted on 7/9/16 at 10:47 am to Old Sarge
Posted on 7/9/16 at 10:47 am to Old Sarge
Yes, the police were called to the scene the gentle giant felon was threatening people. This shooting is cleaner than the Mike brown one considering the cops were actually called out to deal with this.
It wasn't like two good ole boy BRPD were rolling through the shitty hood at night and decided to buy a boot leg CD and then go on a rampage.
It wasn't like two good ole boy BRPD were rolling through the shitty hood at night and decided to buy a boot leg CD and then go on a rampage.
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Posted on 7/9/16 at 10:48 am to Old Sarge
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p by Old Sarge Weren't the police called to the scene originally because someone reported Alton waving and threatening someone with the pistol?
They were called for someone doing that, but does that justify a execution in the street?
Posted on 7/9/16 at 10:51 am to heartbreakTiger
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Mike brown one considering the cops were actually called out to deal with this.
Hang in there, in mike Browns case the officers weapon was never ever drawn until mike brown was pummeling the officers face and reaching for the officers holster, the forensic evidence and testimony made this 100% clear
Posted on 7/9/16 at 10:51 am to JesusQuintana
He wasn't executed. it wasn't like they rolled up, like cleveland and hide behind their doors as the fired on him.
They pull up, they try to question him, he refuses to comply. They tried nonlethal measures and he didn't go down. What are they suppose to do just leave the scene?
An execution is more like the Tameria Rice deal in cleveland than this. These cops tried other methods, but Alton knowing he was a felon with a gun refused to listen.
Hell if he wasn't so stupid they probably don't even arrest him. They probably just talk to him and let him go. He wasn't taking that chance of being searched though because he had a gun.
They pull up, they try to question him, he refuses to comply. They tried nonlethal measures and he didn't go down. What are they suppose to do just leave the scene?
An execution is more like the Tameria Rice deal in cleveland than this. These cops tried other methods, but Alton knowing he was a felon with a gun refused to listen.
Hell if he wasn't so stupid they probably don't even arrest him. They probably just talk to him and let him go. He wasn't taking that chance of being searched though because he had a gun.
Posted on 7/9/16 at 10:52 am to Old Sarge
well yea, but i was talking more about how it all started. Mike brown started over a cop telling his stupid arse to get out the street. Mike brown a criminal much like Alton thought he was in trouble for his earlier robbery of a store.
Alton was like 300 pounds and the cops were called out to deal with him threatening people.
Alton was like 300 pounds and the cops were called out to deal with him threatening people.
Posted on 7/9/16 at 11:02 am to heartbreakTiger
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An execution is more like the Tameria Rice deal in cleveland than this
Also deemed justifiable... and that is a yuuuuuge problem to me.
Posted on 7/9/16 at 11:04 am to MoarKilometers
I thought that one was odd that the left never really stirred anything up over that. It just kinda feel off the radar. The kid did have something that looked like a real gun but the cops ran up on him GTA style. They also were less then worthy of being cops looking at their history. I would doubt the kid had a rap sheet yet, so its puzzling how the left didn't burn Cleveland down. I guess they either thought cleveland sucks enough dick as is, or they were licking wounds from the brown stuff.
I also find their chants of no justice no peace really stupid when an investigation is under way. They don't understand many of the words they use.
I also find their chants of no justice no peace really stupid when an investigation is under way. They don't understand many of the words they use.
Posted on 7/9/16 at 11:16 am to JesusQuintana
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does that justify a execution in the street?
Hyperbole.
Posted on 7/9/16 at 12:02 pm to JesusQuintana
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They were called for someone doing that, but does that justify a execution in the street?
No but him threatening police officers' lives would.
Which may or may not be the case in this situation. It's hard to tell.
This post was edited on 7/9/16 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 7/9/16 at 12:39 pm to heartbreakTiger
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Either way innocent people aren't being gunned down by the cops at any kind of rate. I don't always back the cops but these aren't outrages shootings. The left has an incredibly bad habit of picking shitty people to defend. The guy in BR had a rap sheet a mile long, mike brown wasn't a gentle giant, its safe to bet the guy in MN wasn't innocent either.
Ok. It doesn't work like that. You can't decide after the fact that the guy "deserved" to be shot because he had a rap sheet. Our American judicial system is based upon innocence until proven guilty. So unless the cops have info on the guy before going in, it should not be automatically assumed that because he is black or looks like a thug he is guilty of something.
It's unAmerican, that attitude.
Posted on 7/9/16 at 1:02 pm to Masterag
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Ok. It doesn't work like that. You can't decide after the fact that the guy "deserved" to be shot because he had a rap sheet. Our American judicial system is based upon innocence until proven guilty. So unless the cops have info on the guy before going in, it should not be automatically assumed that because he is black or looks like a thug he is guilty of something.
Now, I may be mistaken, but it's my understanding that the police in BR were responding to a 911 call that a man had a gun in front of that store. They arrived on the scene without any knowledge of his background or the situation other than he had a gun. That doesn't mean he actually had one, but they were certainly acting based on the information they had.
I suppose the best way to say it is - it's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
They'll certainly get to be judged by 12. Plus, their days on the street are probably long gone.
Posted on 7/9/16 at 1:27 pm to heartbreakTiger
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He wasn't taking that chance of being searched though because he had a gun.
THIS
Posted on 7/9/16 at 2:46 pm to Masterag
no he deserved to be shot because he was being stupid. He was armed and didn't comply. Them being criminals makes it stupid to rally for them. they weren't minding their own business and the big bad evil white cops swoop and shoot them.
Posted on 7/9/16 at 2:48 pm to blacknblu
also cop went right to the pocket where the gun was. they were told the guy had put the gun in his pocket and that was the one that he was reaching for. Alton probably thought if he fought them he could drop the gun on the sly or something stupid like that 
Posted on 7/9/16 at 5:02 pm to heartbreakTiger
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they weren't minding their own business and the big bad evil white cops swoop and shoot them.
This. That's what really pisses me off about this whole "racist cops just itching to shoot black males" narrative.
Why is it that the deceased in question is almost never some pure-as-the-driven-snow black guy just on his way home from dinner or something? Almost always it's some criminal or former criminal with a history of making bad choices that makes yet another one at the wrong time and paid the price for it.
Not saying there are never cops who abuse their authority, but goddamn it's ridiculously overblown and so easy for even a halfway upstanding citizen to avoid these scenarios.
Posted on 7/9/16 at 5:30 pm to TbirdSpur2010
id venture to say its less than a percentage point of people that are actually innocent killed by a cop that isn't some drug related botched entry. The most innocent people are gunned down by the swat teams that don't do any investigating and just barge into the wrong house.
Your everyday street cop isn't going around looking to shoot people.
Your everyday street cop isn't going around looking to shoot people.
Posted on 7/9/16 at 5:53 pm to heartbreakTiger
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Your everyday street cop isn't going around looking to shoot people.
Police don't "want" to really ever shoot anyone, it's almost always a career ending event whether justified or not.
Posted on 7/9/16 at 6:13 pm to TbirdSpur2010
It's almost always a product of a fight with police. If they cooperate, they stay alive. That simple.
Posted on 7/10/16 at 4:39 pm to PorkRoast
See, this is the problem. We've reached a point where noncompliance equals death. That's not how this works. Lethal force is the ultimate last resort, but it's not that way many times.
Officers have a difficult job and I can understand why they'd be fearful, but it is not their job to kill. Sterling was pinned to the ground by two men. Never had a hand on his weapon at any point, and still gunned down. These situations are what they have tasers and pepper spray for.
Officers have a difficult job and I can understand why they'd be fearful, but it is not their job to kill. Sterling was pinned to the ground by two men. Never had a hand on his weapon at any point, and still gunned down. These situations are what they have tasers and pepper spray for.
Posted on 7/10/16 at 4:57 pm to JesusQuintana
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We've reached a point where noncompliance equals death.
If you've given the officer reason to fear for their safety, yes, noncompliance does equal death.
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That's not how this works.
Actually, that's EXACTLY how this works.
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Officers have a difficult job and I can understand why they'd be fearful, but it is not their job to kill.
Most don't, by an OVERWHELMINGLY large margin, but the "we're in a police state" crowd don't like to talk about them.
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