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re: Bill Maher explains Islam.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 3:28 pm to TreyAnastasio
Posted on 9/11/14 at 3:28 pm to TreyAnastasio
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Dont know who this tuba character is, but Rex is one of this boards brightest minds.
You really need to be euthanized
Posted on 9/11/14 at 3:30 pm to the808bass
quote:No, but it's not important to my argument.
Are you asserting there's no difference between literal and serious?
Posted on 9/11/14 at 3:32 pm to GatorsGators
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No, but it's not important to my argument.
I think it's kinda important to Genro's argument.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 3:35 pm to genro
quote:Either you didn't read the article or are arguing that wearing a scarf is inherently violent... I'm assuming the former.
Read up on the UK. Here's an article. LINK. A lot of these statistics are being suppressed for PC and fear reasons, and there are articles on this too. Do you think non-Muslim Brits are doing this on any scale?
Posted on 9/11/14 at 3:42 pm to GatorsGators
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This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 9/11/14 at 3:43 pm to TreyAnastasio
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Dont know who this tuba character is, but Rex is one of this boards brightest minds.
If Rex is Einstein, Tuba would be magma=mC2 in your mind.
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 9/11/14 at 3:45 pm to genro
I see you edited. You reading the article?
Posted on 9/11/14 at 3:46 pm to Rebelgator
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You really need to be euthanized
Ill walk away from you, you can do the shooting, pig.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 3:54 pm to the808bass
quote:The fact that I said "seriously" instead of "literally" when clearly arguing that there are Christian denominations built upon a literal interpretation of the Bible isn't important at all, but I edited if it was really upsetting you that much.
I think it's kinda important to Genro's argument.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 3:59 pm to GatorsGators
Yeah. That one may have gone against my point.
Violent crime statistics aren't classified by religion. A religious stoning or beheading is just a murder. I do have this:
UK Muslims in 2013 comprised 13% of prison population ( LINK (pdf) ). Overall, Muslims only comprise 4.4% of Britain's population.
A 200% increase in domestic Muslim prisoners in 15 years. LINK
Violent crime statistics aren't classified by religion. A religious stoning or beheading is just a murder. I do have this:
UK Muslims in 2013 comprised 13% of prison population ( LINK (pdf) ). Overall, Muslims only comprise 4.4% of Britain's population.
A 200% increase in domestic Muslim prisoners in 15 years. LINK
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 9/11/14 at 4:00 pm to GatorsGators
But the question isn't whether not they take it seriously. The question is whether they take it literally. Western Muslims take their faith and religious texts seriously. Just as Christians do all the world over. Western Muslims also take the Koran seriously. They just interpreted differently. The problem comes when Muslims take the Koran literally when it comes to the passages which involve violence. So the difference between literal in serious is exactly what we're arguing here and glossing over that betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of what the argument is.
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 9/11/14 at 4:02 pm to genro
quote:I'd assume that's due to socioeconomic reasons.
UK Muslims in 2013 comprised 13% of prison population ( LINK (pdf) ). Overall, Muslims only comprise 4.4% of Britain's population.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 4:03 pm to the808bass
quote:No, it's not, because I am arguing that many Christian denominations do take the Bible literally.
So the difference between literal in serious is exactly what we're arguing here and glossing over that betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of what the argument is.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 4:05 pm to dawgsjw
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Christians believe in about the same things as Muslims, except for the Jesus being the last prophet part. In the Bible, it tells women that they should cover their heads or go shaven, not speak in church, be obedient to the man. The bible also tells us when we should kill our sons and daughters, who should be stoned to death, same for our slaves and wives. It also properly tells you how to mark your slave and how you can beat your slave to an inch of death. The bible also says to kill the men of their defeated enemies, while the good guys can loot and plunder and have the whole lot of virgin women to themselves. All of these are in the Bible.
That's complete bullshite. Yes Christianity went through a time where they took religion too seriously; it was called the Dark Ages. And Jesus wasn't a war lord like Muhammad was, but a peaceful carpenter. Yes Christians were a violent bunch for a while, but now most Christians just blow it off. You ask any Christian about some things that the Bible says that are completely horrible, and even the most hardcore of Baptists don't agree with it and say that it was meant for the Jews or some other crap. No one wants to kill someone for not being a Christian. No one sees a neighbor mowing the lawn on Subday and think that they should kill them. What's the worst Christians do? You occasional hear about a nut who has bombed an abortion clinic, but I've never heard of one that was done at 3:00 in the afternoon, which is the time when Muslims do their killings.
Muslims take every word of what their holy book says literally. They behead people for not sharing their beliefs, even in their own Holy Capitol. Could you imagine the shite that would fly if the Vatican executed someone for not following the Catholic theology? That's how low the bar is set that we think nothing of it from the Muslims.
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 9/11/14 at 4:06 pm to GatorsGators
Socioeconomics are certainly a factor in violent crime, that can be proven easily. You can't prove it's the only factor. I'm suggesting ideology is another factor in violent crime. People may kill because they are poor and oppressed; they may also kill because of their beliefs.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 4:17 pm to genro
quote:Of course.
Socioeconomics are certainly a factor in violent crime, that can be proven easily. You can't prove it's the only factor. I'm suggesting ideology is another factor in violent crime. People may kill because they are poor and oppressed; they may also kill because of their beliefs.
People may kill in the name of Islam. People may kill in the name of Christianity. I don't think the former happens disproportionately amongst Western Muslims, and you haven't presented any evidence to prove otherwise. That begs the question: why are Muslims in the Middle East more violent than Muslims in the West? Culture.
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 9/11/14 at 4:25 pm to GatorsGators
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No, it's not, because I am arguing that many Christian denominations do take the Bible literally.
Which Chistians denominations make women keep silent in church, forbid eating pork and allow beating slaves?
Posted on 9/11/14 at 4:28 pm to GatorsGators
quote:Actually, I did prove that Western Muslims were more violent than non-Muslims. You're asking a question of intentions, something else entirely, something that can't be proven. Why people commit violence.
I don't think the former happens disproportionately amongst Western Muslims, and you haven't presented any evidence to prove otherwise.
quote:Culture is the only difference? No other factor? And yet, when Western Muslims are still more violent than Western non-Muslims, socioeconomics is the only factor. Weird how that works. It's not that simple.
why are Muslims in the Middle East more violent than Muslims in the West? Culture.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 4:30 pm to GatorsGators
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That begs the question: why are Muslims everywhere else in the world more violent than Muslims in the West? Culture
Fify
Posted on 9/11/14 at 4:40 pm to the808bass
I won't speak for Gators, but the disconnect and Christian hypocrisy arises when they choose to take certain parts of the bible literally, and completely disregard the parts they don't like.
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