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re: Anybody ever see 911:In Plane Site?

Posted on 11/20/13 at 9:51 am to
Posted by Agforlife
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Posted on 11/20/13 at 9:51 am to
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To not ask questions is being naive.


You are correct question everything. I don't remember (sucks getting old) did they find airplane wreckage at the Pentagon?
This post was edited on 11/20/13 at 9:52 am
Posted by DCRebel
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Posted on 11/20/13 at 9:52 am to
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I am definitely not suggesting that the victim's family are telling lies. I just can't wrap my head around the damage to the Pentagon. The size of it is just not big enough to suggest a fully fueled 757 hit it.



How so?

What do you expect, something like this:



but in the cookie-cutter outline of an airplane?

Think about it. An aircraft made of mostly aluminum hit the side of a building's wall made mostly of reinforced concrete. The airplane punched a hole in the wall, broke apart, crunched up, and caused a large fire. It's pretty consistent with this:



FWIW, I know a guy who, were he at his desk, would have died in the Pentagon that day. He was taking a shite at the time (I'm 100% serious) and was far enough away from the impact to come away alive, but not without serious burns all over his back and torso.

Posted by DCRebel
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Posted on 11/20/13 at 9:54 am to
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To not ask questions is being naive.



Ask all the questions you want! Go ahead! But don't get upset that the answers you get aren't the same conclusions you jumped to.

That's the thing about truthers, they're all like "hey man we're just asking questions" as if they're being that innocuous. No, you're manipulating and distorting information to fit a preconceived series of events. If you really were simply "asking questions" you'd come away with answers that are, largely, consistent with the reported facts.
Posted by We_Need_Cam
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Posted on 11/20/13 at 9:56 am to
There was not plane wreckage found at least in pictures seen by the public based on this documentary. And based on what I remember from it. The plane is over 100 feet wing tip to wing tip (loaded with jet fuel). The damage to the Pentagon was only 60ish feet wide with a 16ish foot wide hole. Just doesn't seem to match up.
Posted by We_Need_Cam
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Posted on 11/20/13 at 9:58 am to
I didn't get upset with anyone. I felt that mizzoukills was just being the type of person to blindly dismiss things without looking into it at all.

And I don't want there to be some sort of conspiracy. That would be terrible and beyond frightening. I have never been a truther, but like I said in the OP, someone I respect told me to watch it. The Pentagon is what struck me as quite odd. That is all.
Posted by DCRebel
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Posted on 11/20/13 at 9:58 am to
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There was not plane wreckage found at least in pictures seen by the public based on this documentary.


That is a lie.

LINK

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FACT: Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"
Posted by DCRebel
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Posted on 11/20/13 at 10:00 am to
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The damage to the Pentagon was only 60ish feet wide with a 16ish foot wide hole. Just doesn't seem to match up.



Read what I wrote. An airplane made of aluminum slammed into a building made of reinforced concrete. The airplane was literally ripped apart by the impact. Again, a mostly hollow aluminum tube slammed into a concrete wall... think about that.
Posted by mizzoukills
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Posted on 11/20/13 at 10:03 am to
all I'm saying is that I'll allow myself to believe the Pearl Harbor scenario is a possibility.
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 11/20/13 at 10:04 am to
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Why is there no picture of a plane hitting the Pentagon? Why is there not one single eye witness account of a plane hitting it. I don't know if you have ever flown into DCA before but you are right next to the Pentagon. You would think an air traffic controller would have seen that. You would think one of the many people in the Pentagon area would have scene a Boeing 757 crash into it.


So what's the alternate theory?

In order to move plausibly past "this is really weird" and "what about this fact," you need an alternate explanation and/or motive.

It seems like you're ceding the rest of the narrative, twin towers and Pennsylvania, but not accepting the explanation of the Pentagon alone. That's incredibly problematic. To say that a terrorist attack was attached by someone else in the space of a couple of hours is beyond ludicrous.
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 11/20/13 at 10:06 am to
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with a 16ish foot wide hole

I do not believe this is accurate.
Posted by AUnite
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Posted on 11/20/13 at 10:08 am to
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We_Need_Cam

Ok, let's entertain the idea that it wasn't a plane.

WTF hit the pentagon then? A missile that was strategically placed on the grounds or near by, Superman, a strategically placed bomb?

Seriously, what else could it have been? An airplane isn't going to stay "intact" when it hits reinforced concrete. There was video of the planes hitting the World Trade Center and you don't see the Wiley Coyote imprint. It's not going to have a perfect cutout of the plane, wings and all, on the building.
Posted by jbond
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Posted on 11/20/13 at 10:08 am to
Is this thread title supposed to be an insensitive pun?
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 11/20/13 at 10:16 am to
It's the title of the "documentary."

Fwiw, many of the "truthers" have distanced themselves from this film, saying it has so many discredited theories that it's secretly made by people wanting to make the truthers look bad.

Eta: the Internet has done for conspiracy theorists what the printing press did for Protestants.
This post was edited on 11/20/13 at 10:19 am
Posted by mizzoukills
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Posted on 11/20/13 at 10:16 am to
AUnite just posted what I posted a few posts back.

So what did the documentary indicate occurred? A missile? If so, where did the missile come from? It didn't come from the air...
Posted by AUnite
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Posted on 11/20/13 at 10:23 am to
Maybe it was a drone

It was posted a few posts ago, but how exactly was Bush supposed to have masterminded the pentagon plane crash? Nixon couldn't even keep people silent on Watergate, and it's no where near the magnitude of this "theory."

MOST IMPORTANTLY: WTF happened to that plane, the crew and the passengers? Are they on the island with TuPac, Biggie and Elvis?
Posted by Mizzeaux
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Posted on 11/20/13 at 10:23 am to
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So what did the documentary indicate occurred? A missile? If so, where did the missile come from? It didn't come from the air...



Not to mention what happened to the plane filled with people that didn't actually hit the Pentagon if it was something else that did?
Posted by AUnite
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Posted on 11/20/13 at 10:25 am to
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Not to mention what happened to the plane filled with people that didn't actually hit the Pentagon if it was something else that did?

Jinx
You owe me an e-drink.
Posted by Mizzeaux
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Posted on 11/20/13 at 10:26 am to
In the unlikely event that there is a conspiracy at all; it's either a Pearl Harbor thing like Kills said, or (even less likely) someone/something training or brainwashing 19 random people to actually carry out the attacks.

Anything more complicated than that is just dumb.
Posted by AUnite
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Posted on 11/20/13 at 10:26 am to
double post
This post was edited on 11/20/13 at 10:27 am
Posted by Mizzeaux
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Posted on 11/20/13 at 10:26 am to
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