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re: Anybody else on here hiding from PoliTalk board?
Posted on 10/12/16 at 1:52 pm to Carolina Tide
Posted on 10/12/16 at 1:52 pm to Carolina Tide
you act like Clinton can't be blamed for anything
Posted on 10/12/16 at 1:55 pm to The Spleen
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Most of the Hillary supporters there acknowledge her mistakes and shortcomings. Most of the Trump supporters see his mistakes and shortcomings as positives.
i've never seen any Hillary supporters acknowledge her 'shortcomings' and 'mistakes'. her email scandal wasn't a mistake, it was a felony, she's a corrupt person who also enabled her rapist husband
Posted on 10/12/16 at 2:09 pm to Tillman
Posted on 10/12/16 at 2:34 pm to spytiger
other people talking politics on here
Posted on 10/12/16 at 2:42 pm to mizzoukills
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Well I don't agree with that if true. But I don't think you're being honest with yourself. You and Hugo are probably banned for simply being trolls. If I'm wrong I'll own it. But, trolls know trolls.
After several warning and a few minibans I questioned the admins on the poliboard suggesting there was a double standard. I was immediately banned and haven't been allowed back.
I admit I made pro-Hillary and anti-Trump posts on a similar level that the regulars would post pro-Trump and anti-Hillary threads. This behavior earned me the label of troll by the vast majority of the Lord of the Flies crew on the forum.
I was given plenty of warnings. I think the admins had a hard time believing that I was sincere in my posting because I once said a while back that I may vote for Gary Johnson again and much of the pro Hillary stuff was to create balance. They took this as admission of trolling.
However, as the primaries went on, I became increasingly pro-Hillary because I was so Anti-Trump.
Not that anyone gives a frick.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 2:53 pm to Tillman
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i've never seen any Hillary supporters acknowledge her 'shortcomings' and 'mistakes'
I know. You wouldn't know objective criticism if it slapped you in the face.
Here, I'll give you some of my Hillary criticisms. I am voting for her in a few weeks, so it's fine if you want to label me a Hillary supporter.
1. Voted for the Iraq War, and did so without reading the classified report made available to Congress that was used to support the claim of WMD's in Iraq.
2. Is cozy, and has long been cozy, with the big Wall St banks.
3. Her use of a private email to skirt FOIA laws.
4. Her silence on the sexual allegations towards Bill Clinton, while portraying herself as a champion for women.
There are more, but that's a start with my problems with Hillary.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 2:54 pm to mizzoukills
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that's because the media is willfully ignoring the emails. the problem is that many people like apparently you trust the media..
You obviously don't read my posts. Hillary is the most corrupt politician I have ever seen in my lifetime, and the MSM isn't going to talk about things that make dems uncomfortable.
I don't really need to know about the wikileaks because I already know she is corrupt and destructive to this country.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 3:06 pm to kywildcatfanone
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You obviously don't read my posts. Hillary is the most corrupt politician I have ever seen in my lifetime, and the MSM isn't going to talk about things that make dems uncomfortable.
I don't really need to know about the wikileaks because I already know she is corrupt and destructive to this country.
Which at this point, I think we're all just sitting here wondering if she is corrupt and destructive enough to outweigh the fact that Trump will almost undoubtedly hit the big red button as soon as any foreign leader questions him.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 3:12 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
quote:As bad as Trump is, I simply cannot understand how any informed individual could support Hillary.
However, as the primaries went on, I became increasingly pro-Hillary because I was so Anti-Trump.
Reading the latest FBI disclosures, along with emails establishing ongoing leaks from DOJ to the Clinton Campaign, Hillary Clinton is in a more perilous predicament now than Nixon was in 1973 as Watergate began to heat up. Her election will be a detriment to the country in ways we've not seen since Nixon had to step down. It is going to be terrible.
Had Comey suggested advancing the case to a Grand Jury this summer, Hillary would have had to step down. Dems could have put Joe Biden up, and I'd likely be voting for him. I don't know who has what on whom in this thing, but it simply sounds like HRC knows of closets where the skeletons reside.
Anyway, as my vehement #neverhillary feelings will leave me voting Trump, I guess I could conceive the opposite situation driving support for HRC. I just cannot for the life of me understand foundations for her support in someone as informed as you are Hugo.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 3:22 pm to The Spleen
quote:Except she was not remotely silent.
4. Her silence on the sexual allegations towards Bill Clinton, while portraying herself as a champion for women.
quote:She kept SAP information on her Apple Server in her residence and backed it it up to the cloud for christsakes. Then she tried to obliterate evidence under supeona.
Her use of a private email to skirt FOIA laws
quote:Daily KOS -- It was more than a simple vote
Voted for the Iraq War
Posted on 10/12/16 at 3:25 pm to The Spleen
you don't have much of a problem with her if you going to vote for her.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 3:28 pm to Tillman
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you don't have much of a problem with her if you going to vote for her.
That's not necessarily true. You can hate all candidates and merely be choosing the lesser of two evils. In fact, the person above you stated his reason for voting for Trump was heavily weighted by a "#neverHillary" mentality. He/she does not necessarily like Trump. He/she simply dislikes Hillary more.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 3:32 pm to DoreonthePlains
or they are just left wingers who would vote for Satan if Satan is left wing
Posted on 10/12/16 at 3:38 pm to DoreonthePlains
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Which at this point, I think we're all just sitting here wondering if she is corrupt and destructive enough to outweigh the fact that Trump will almost undoubtedly hit the big red button as soon as any foreign leader questions him.
Well, it's obvious you didn't go to Vandy or you wouldn't post something so stupid.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 3:41 pm to Tillman
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or they are just left wingers who would vote for Satan if Satan is left wing
That's a really dangerous assumption. Assumptions like that are why there is such a divisive nature in American politics. Diehards on either side start pointing fingers at independent or moderates on either side as the type that would vote for the other side even if "Satan" was on that party's ticket. It's ridiculous, and it is awful for America. Especially with these two major candidates, if you cannot look at EITHER party's nominee and understand why they could potentially be very bad for this country, a re-evaluation of your own approach to politics may be necessary.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 3:43 pm to kywildcatfanone
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Well, it's obvious you didn't go to Vandy or you wouldn't post something so stupid.
What about that is stupid? As a businessman, his go-to tactic to deal with opposition is to shout insults or threaten legal action. As Commander-in-Chief, is it that much of a stretch to assume he will make rash military decisions? Obviously, the "big red button" part is over the top. It won't be his FIRST response, but he will absolutely use the THREAT of the "big red button".
Posted on 10/12/16 at 3:47 pm to DoreonthePlains
You watch too many Hillary commercials, "he can't be trusted with nuclear codes".
Get back to me when he has compromised national security, something she has done in numerous ways, yet somehow that is ignored by the electorate.
Get back to me when he has compromised national security, something she has done in numerous ways, yet somehow that is ignored by the electorate.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 3:50 pm to NC_Tigah
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Reading the latest FBI disclosures, along with emails establishing ongoing leaks from DOJ to the Clinton Campaign, Hillary Clinton is in a more perilous predicament now than Nixon was in 1973 as Watergate began to heat up. Her election will be a detriment to the country in ways we've not seen since Nixon had to step down. It is going to be terrible.
I actually liked Nixon a lot on a policy level and if Hillary really is in a watergate like situation, which I don't believe she is, then so be it; the country will indeed suffer.
The thing about these Clinton scandals (Foundation, emails, Russians, pay for play, Wikileaks, Haiti): the harder you look into it and try to get all the facts; the less you find. And nothing comes close to a smoking gun. Yeah, it's shady, it may be worthy of investigation, and it makes you wonder. And the speculation is all the Alt-right needs to get a conviction in their supporters' eyes. Many of them have despised Hillary for 25 years for whatever reason.
Objectively speaking, when compared other powerful leaders in American political history, Hillary is held to an insanely high standard and this has probably added to her desire/need/want for secrecy. Give the unbelievable scrutiny she has been under for the past 25 years, I'm surprised she's not dangerously paranoid. She's had almost no private life for the entirety of her adult life, that in itself is a remarkable sacrifice in these times.
There is a bigger picture I see with Hillary, one that goes beyond an email scandal, or a frick up like Benghazi. She represents hard work, dedication, intelligence, patience, wisdom, and most importantly, pragmatism. These are the traits I want in my leader and of the two options for president, my choice is clear.
This post was edited on 10/12/16 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 10/12/16 at 3:51 pm to kywildcatfanone
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Get back to me when he has compromised national security, something she has done in numerous ways, yet somehow that is ignored by the electorate.
You're right, she is awful too. Would you please point out where in my criticism of Trump that I promoted Hillary? You are too busy trying to create a false binary of support for one or the other. I support neither.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 3:53 pm to DoreonthePlains
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You are too busy trying to create a false binary of support for one or the other
And this is why we're in this fricking mess.
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