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re: Academy Sports Gun Sales Story (wtf moment)

Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:44 pm to
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:44 pm to
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This. Guns have existed here for a long time..we didn't have the problems we have now with criminal behavior in the 50s.

Crime is going up, so naturally gun ownership is increasing in response..people are getting nervous and feel the need to protect themselves.


Crime has actually been going down over the past 15-20 years, even gun crime. I'll try to find the article I read a few months ago, but according to it, gun crime peaked in the late 80's at the height of the crack cocaine craze. It has been steadily going down since then. What has increased are the mass shootings like Columbine, Newtown, Aurora, etc.
Posted by BuccWildBammer
AL
Member since Nov 2011
23334 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:44 pm to
Unregistered or guns wanted as evidence
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90738 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:44 pm to
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couple cops who will sell you an unregistered


You don't have to register guns in Alabama.

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bottom line is there is HELLA money in selling guns illegally


And no law passed to infringe on law abiding citizens, will stop this.
Posted by Agforlife
Somewhere in the Brazos Valley
Member since Nov 2012
20102 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:47 pm to
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What is an 'illegal' gun?


Any gun that by law you can't possess without the proper licenses ie: full auto firearms rocket launchers etc
Posted by BuccWildBammer
AL
Member since Nov 2011
23334 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:47 pm to
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A criminal will get ahold of a gun no matter what. Jackson has gotten bad..if he was looking at a shotgun I would venture that he wasn't buying it to commit murder. Most thugs would buy a handgun because it is easily concealed.

I'd bet he was a felon, but probably was drug related, not violence related and he just wanted a gun for his house defense.


Agree with this, likely a protection piece for the car, a spook gun (most larger guns or shotguns are likely this) or something for protection
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90738 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:47 pm to
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Crime has actually been going down over the past 15-20 years, even gun crime. I'll try to find the article


Here's a CDC study:

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In the wake of the Sandy Hook tragedy, President Obama issued a list of Executive Orders. Notably among them, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) was given $10 million to research gun violence.

“Year after year, those who oppose even modest gun-safety measures have threatened to defund scientific or medical research into the causes of gun violence, I will direct the Centers for Disease Control to go ahead and study the best ways to reduce it,” Obama said on Jan. 16.


Here are some key findings from the CDC report, “Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence,” released in June:

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1. Armed citizens are less likely to be injured by an attacker:
“Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.”

2. Defensive uses of guns are common:
“Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year…in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.”

3. Mass shootings and accidental firearm deaths account for a small fraction of gun-related deaths, and both are declining:
“The number of public mass shootings of the type that occurred at Sandy Hook Elementary School accounted for a very small fraction of all firearm-related deaths. Since 1983 there have been 78 events in which 4 or more individuals were killed by a single perpetrator in 1 day in the United States, resulting in 547 victims and 476 injured persons.” The report also notes, “Unintentional firearm-related deaths have steadily declined during the past century. The number of unintentional deaths due to firearm-related incidents accounted for less than 1 percent of all unintentional fatalities in 2010.”

4. “Interventions” (i.e, gun control) such as background checks, so-called assault rifle bans and gun-free zones produce “mixed” results:
“Whether gun restrictions reduce firearm-related violence is an unresolved issue.” The report could not conclude whether “passage of right-to-carry laws decrease or increase violence crime.”

5. Gun buyback/turn-in programs are “ineffective” in reducing crime:
“There is empirical evidence that gun turn in programs are ineffective, as noted in the 2005 NRC study Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review. For example, in 2009, an estimated 310 million guns were available to civilians in the United States (Krouse, 2012), but gun buy-back programs typically recover less than 1,000 guns (NRC, 2005). On the local level, buy-backs may increase awareness of firearm violence. However, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, for example, guns recovered in the buy-back were not the same guns as those most often used in homicides and suicides (Kuhn et al., 2002).”

6. Stolen guns and retail/gun show purchases account for very little crime:
“More recent prisoner surveys suggest that stolen guns account for only a small percentage of guns used by convicted criminals. … According to a 1997 survey of inmates, approximately 70 percent of the guns used or possess by criminals at the time of their arrest came from family or friends, drug dealers, street purchases, or the underground market.”

7. The vast majority of gun-related deaths are not homicides, but suicides:
“Between the years 2000-2010 firearm-related suicides significantly outnumbered homicides for all age groups, annually accounting for 61 percent of the more than 335,600 people who died from firearms related violence in the United States.”



Read more: LINK


Posted by BuccWildBammer
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:48 pm to
Posted by Agforlife
Somewhere in the Brazos Valley
Member since Nov 2012
20102 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:58 pm to
What people don't get is if there were no guns people would just kill others with whatever weapon there was knives axes clubs rocks sticks it doesn't matter it's a cliché but guns don't kill people, people do.
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
Atlanta GA - ITP
Member since Sep 2012
24933 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:10 pm to
I think anyone would agree that if you could press a button and make guns disappear completely it would make the world less dangerous.
Posted by MagicCityBlazer
Member since Nov 2010
3686 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:19 pm to
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Unregistered


You don't have to register guns
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90560 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:28 pm to
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Make it a requirement in all schools. 13-15 age range should have to have it. Partner with the NRA and local ranges, for extra curricular credit at ranges after school, with parent supervision for hands on experience if families want their kids to learn more.

It would be easy to have weapons without firing pins and nonshooting firearms in classes to teach kids how to handle, and be safe around them.


Good luck with this considering some schools have expelled kids for making a gun shape with their fingers and pop tarts being made to look like guns
Posted by TheBigLedawgski
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2013
164 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:30 pm to
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I think anyone would agree that if you could press a button and make guns disappear completely it would make the world less dangerous.


Do you know how I know you're an idiot?
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90560 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:31 pm to
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Crime has actually been going down over the past 15-20 years, even gun crime.


And coincidentally, gun ownership has been going up over that time frame.


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What has increased are the mass shootings like Columbine, Newtown, Aurora, etc.


I attribute this to a combination of more people living in a fantasy world of social media and video games (not the games' fault imo) combined with parent irresponsibility to not admit their child may have a mental problem and seek help. They put them on meds and leave them be..matters eventually get worse.
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
Atlanta GA - ITP
Member since Sep 2012
24933 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:31 pm to
I don't know how you could possibly argue against that. It's obviously not possible. But the elimination of guns completely would make the world safer.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 1:32 pm
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112606 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:33 pm to
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one time when i was a waiter some WT dad ordered a pitcher of beer and two glasses. only other person there with him was his 10-12 year old kid. i refused to bring him a second glass. he asked for my manager. i explained my hesitation to my boss and he said that he agreed and wouldn't hold it against me. apparently making that sell can be at the discretion of the vendor.



you're a buzzkill
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90560 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:33 pm to
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I think anyone would agree that if you could press a button and make guns disappear completely it would make the world less dangerous.


Only if this also applied to Governments of the world and their weapons.
Posted by TheBigLedawgski
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2013
164 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:35 pm to
This type of short sighted speculation is so stupid it makes my head hurt. If criminals didn't have guns they would use a bow & arrow, crossbow, knife, chainsaw, etc, etc....
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
28861 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:36 pm to
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I think anyone would agree that if you could press a button and make guns disappear completely it would make the world less dangerous.



same could be said for knives, swords, ceramic squirrels


Our problem is not the method of which people kill, but the people that kill. I did like that this legislation hit harder on people that could get guns, but it reached to far against current gun owners.
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
28861 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:37 pm to
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you're a buzzkill



i was an 18 year old baptist. i knew no better.
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
Atlanta GA - ITP
Member since Sep 2012
24933 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:40 pm to
He was probably just trying to double fist beers to impress his kid. Kid decided to live with his mom after this.
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