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re: Academy Sports Gun Sales Story (wtf moment)
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:37 am to genro
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:37 am to genro
The NRA used to be a respectable organization that was interested in teaching gun safety and promoting gun safety. Somewhere along the way they became a shill for the gun and ammo manufacturers though, and their #1 interest is lining the pockets of those manufacturers.
It's immature, but somehow I get a mailer from them every year inviting me to join. I write a big "F**K YOU" on the application with a Sharpie and mail it back to them.
It's immature, but somehow I get a mailer from them every year inviting me to join. I write a big "F**K YOU" on the application with a Sharpie and mail it back to them.
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:40 am to The Spleen
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Not the far left, but I am left of center. I actually own guns and support the 2nd Amendment. I just hate the NRA and what they stand for.
based on pevious threads i would put you at more of a CNN than an MSNBC. which is a bit left of center, but not all the way out there.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:41 am to stoms
Wait...so I have been carded when a friend of mine was buying beer at a grocery store. So buying beer at a grocery store is harder than buying a gun for your felon friend?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:43 am to Agforlife
I realize this doesn't mean jack on the internet but if you knew me irl you would know that I know what I speak of. I completely understand what you're saying b/c I would think the same thing about that post.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:49 am to Eric Nies Grind Time
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Wait...so I have been carded when a friend of mine was buying beer at a grocery store. So buying beer at a grocery store is harder than buying a gun for your felon friend?
Meh, for every anecdotal story like the OP, there's probably a handful where the store clerk refused the sale. Just like there have been plenty of times I wasn't carded when someone I was with bought beer.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:49 am to genro
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If you saw this same thing at a used car lot, would you have started a thread about it? Cars are much more deadly than guns.
No. I would assume that most car deaths are incidental even if negligent. In most inner cities, such as Jackson, I would assume most gun deaths aren't incidental.
I didn't say this in the op but guy #1 was talking about multiple weapons he has including swords and the damage they could inflict.
If i overheard someone buying a car talking about an accord being used as a weapon, I would also feel uneasy.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:54 am to The Spleen
So they're funded by corporations with a vested interest? That's make them the same as every other lobbying group with any significance.
At least they're lobbying to protect a Constitutional right, regardless of motivation.
On the other hand you have the AARP and Greenpeace and a thousand other lobbiers, also funded by corporations with a vested interest, who lobby for bigger bloated government, socialistic handouts, and anticapitalist restrictions
Those are the ones that are hurting this country
At least they're lobbying to protect a Constitutional right, regardless of motivation.
On the other hand you have the AARP and Greenpeace and a thousand other lobbiers, also funded by corporations with a vested interest, who lobby for bigger bloated government, socialistic handouts, and anticapitalist restrictions
Those are the ones that are hurting this country
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:54 am to The Spleen
Yeah, but I would prefer a 20 year old getting some miller lite to a felon getting a shotgun.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:03 am to genro
Well, I'm not a fan of any of the big lobbying groups, and I don't support any of them. My point was they started out as a great organization with a noble cause. Somewhere along the way they sold their soul out to corporate interests and became a shill for them, while pulling the wool over the eyes of their members. They have a long history of supporting reasonable gun restrictions, until just recently.
Good for them they support a Constitutional right. They do so in a despicable way, IMO. As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Good for them they support a Constitutional right. They do so in a despicable way, IMO. As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:30 am to The Spleen
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They have a long history of supporting reasonable gun restrictions, until just recently.
While I agree I think their gun worship is a bit much very often, the gun restrictions attempted by congress have been very reasonable until as of late.
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Good for them they support a Constitutional right. They do so in a despicable way, IMO. As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
i think that could be said about any lobbyist group. I think Planned Parenthood, the NAACP, ACLU, GLAAD serve some constitutional rights, but have done so in a despicable way. The NRA just obviously doesn't protect a right you agree with wholeheartidly. While I disagree with some of their pretenses (all of them: NRA, ACLU, GLAAD, etc) I agree with their right to lobby and advocate for their members as they see fit.
ETA: Lobby ethically. I'm not talking about payoffs and bribes.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 11:33 am
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:33 am to 3nOut
quote:Oxymoron
Lobby ethically.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:35 am to genro
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Oxymoron
well obviously, but I don't want to be accused of thinking bribery is OK in lobbying. It's not.
It's a stacked game but let's not act like any party is innocent here.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:39 am to 3nOut
Spleen,
any progress on the wife front?
any progress on the wife front?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:41 am to 3nOut
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any progress on the wife front?
Nope but he is planning to attack her rear
Sorry had to say it
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:42 am to 3nOut
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While I agree I think their gun worship is a bit much very often, the gun restrictions attempted by congress have been very reasonable until as of late.
What has been unreasonable? The last bill that got voted down had a universal background check(which the NRA is on record as supporting a decade ago when it was discussed) and allegedly closed the so-called gun show loophole. The bill really had no teeth, and wasn't really that unreasonable, yet the NRA still fought it tooth-and-nail.
Even the Executive Orders Obama delivered in the wake of Newtown didn't have anything in them that was that unreasonable. But that didn't stop the outcry and the labeling of him as a tyrant for even suggesting some gun control.
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i think that could be said about any lobbyist group. I think Planned Parenthood, the NAACP, ACLU, GLAAD serve some constitutional rights, but have done so in a despicable way. The NRA just obviously doesn't protect a right you agree with wholeheartidly. While I disagree with some of their pretenses (all of them: NRA, ACLU, GLAAD, etc) I agree with their right to lobby and advocate for their members as they see fit.
I don't disagree, and I think all lobbying should be drastically reigned in, but I don't ever see that happening. And I do support the 2nd Amendment and the right to own guns. I own 6 guns myself and deer hunt just about every weekend in the winter. My problem with the NRA is their shift in focus away from gun safety education and promotion to a shill for the gun manufacturers.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:47 am to The Spleen
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My problem with the NRA is their shift in focus away from gun safety education and promotion to a shill for the gun manufacturers.
I don't disagree with you on this point. As for the core of their message I still agree with it but yes they have gotten away from it.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:47 am to 3nOut
She's identified the main source of her stress and is working on rectifying that by moving to her own office. Problem is she's a contractor working in someone else's building and isn't sure if they'll give her another office. We shall see.
Her dad had surgery yesterday so she didn't work, and she just identified the source Monday night. We'll see how today goes and what mood she's in tonight.
Her dad had surgery yesterday so she didn't work, and she just identified the source Monday night. We'll see how today goes and what mood she's in tonight.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:56 am to The Spleen
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What has been unreasonable? The last bill that got voted down had a universal background check(which the NRA is on record as supporting a decade ago when it was discussed) and allegedly closed the so-called gun show loophole. The bill really had no teeth, and wasn't really that unreasonable, yet the NRA still fought it tooth-and-nail.
i think the spirit of what was proposed was spot on. i don't see making it harder to get a gun as any problem.
"Please mister gun clerk, make sure i'm not a psycho. i will wait two weeks for a gun if if means we're keeping them out of the hands of people that would do harm with them."
But the changes to capacity and some of the registration was flat out unconstitutional or extraconstitutional at best. The main problem with gun control is that the only people who are going to abide by the rules are people like you and me who would do so anyways. People that are going to break the law with guns are going to keep doing it no matter what legislation we put forth.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:04 pm to 3nOut
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People that are going to break the law with guns are going to keep doing it no matter what legislation we put forth.
That is what most people don't get. I can go to Houston and buy whatever I want off the street in minutes.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:05 pm to Agforlife
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That is what most people don't get. I can go to Houston and buy whatever I want off the street in minutes.
Good lord you're shady. We should get a beer.
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