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re: A story that will anger gun control advocates.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:35 pm to TeLeFaWx
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:35 pm to TeLeFaWx
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He did this because his mother bought a bunch of guns she didn't need. The mother should have had those guns registered, she should have been licensed to maintain and store that AR, and should have paid an annual renewal. Make it tax deductible if it really bothers you.
How would any of those laws prevented the mentally Ill son from taking the registered, stored, licensed gun from her and killing those kids?
If you want to stop mass shootings, start looking at mental health laws and stop looking at restricting gun rights. Mass shootings were rare until we stopped institutionalizing mentally ill kids. In most cases the signs are there way before the mass shootings occur.
As far as gang violence, the only thing that can be done is legalizing drugs to take away the black market that gangs fight for turf over, and crack down law enforcement on those gangs. We did it with mafia, who was way more connected and organized, we can do it with the bloods, crips, vice lords, etc
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Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:35 pm to Masterag
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What we have now is hardly regulated.
Holy shite.
There's like 20,000 gun laws on the books. It's regulated out the arse.
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Nobody is talking about being denied rights to law abiding, competent citizens. How is trying to keep guns out of hands of mentally incompetent people by virtue of thorough checks no matter the venue keeping you from your rights?
How bout some psychiatric hospitals for mentally unstable or incompetent people? If they are too unstable to have a firearm, then perhaps they are too unstable to be in a free society. I mean, it'd be for the safety of the public. Right?
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:37 pm to Alahunter
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No Rights should be denied because of the action of someone else. It's only life, if it's allowed and it shouldn't be.
No one is talking about denying your right to own a gun. Dear Lord.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:39 pm to Alahunter
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How bout some psychiatric hospitals for mentally unstable or incompetent people? If they are too unstable to have a firearm, then perhaps they are too unstable to be in a free society. I mean, it'd be for the safety of the public. Right?
Or how bout we license people to own and operate fire arms.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:39 pm to TeLeFaWx
You should listen to the Gov't officials who want "common sense" gun laws. They've explicitly said that's the goal.
I mean.. if you can't even be honest about that.. is there really any more need to try to discuss anything?
I mean.. if you can't even be honest about that.. is there really any more need to try to discuss anything?
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:41 pm to Alahunter
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How bout some psychiatric hospitals for mentally unstable or incompetent people?
Kind of hard when mental health funding is continually cut, primarily by Republican state legislatures. Especially in Alabama.
Besides, most of the mass murderers probably aren't even mentally ill enough to be committed to a psychiatric hospital.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:42 pm to Alahunter
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Aurora. Family had same views as gun control advocates. Worked wonders, didn't it?
What's your point? Their views have not been implemented into policy.
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Charleston. Racist. But those flags are gone. Will never have another incident like that again. Whew.
Actually it's proven from a 2009 divorce affidavit that he had severe OCD.
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Chattanooga. Thank goodness for gun free zones.
Gun free zones exist already. Pointless statement in our current conversation.
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Sandy Hook. Liberalism at it's finest. Guns made him crazy and who needs parental responsibility. He's just going through a phase and these warning signs are nothing.
He was autistic. Didn't buy it legally though, as he stole the gun from his mother iirc.
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Virginia. Damn whitey's deserved that cuz the dude was a victim his entire life.
Go read up on the seal journal entries and the texts he sent to a friend. The guy was clearly crazy as hell.
Alahunter, everyone should be entitled to own a gun. Everyone that is mentally stable that is. Your points that you keep bringing up are irrelevant. It's not about stripping folks of their guns. It's not about closing down gun shops. It's just about screening to make sure that the folks who are buying guns are mentally fit to own one.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:42 pm to Alahunter
I suppose you've also missed where the NY SAFE act has resulted in the confiscation of guns from individuals.... but no.. nobody wants to ban guns. Just have "common sense" laws.. 
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:43 pm to cas4t
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That's the point. It should be harder to get a gun. I don't see what's wrong with going through another 4-5 steps in order to buy a gun legally. I own, idk, probably a dozen or so guns. I'm willing to take the extra time and do whatever I need to do even if there is the potential that it stops just 1 mentally unstable person from buying a gun legally.
Exactly.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:44 pm to deltaland
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If you want to stop mass shootings, start looking at mental health laws and stop looking at restricting gun rights.
You don't have to do one without the other. I think both issues should be revisited.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:46 pm to Alahunter
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I suppose you've also missed where the NY SAFE act has resulted in the confiscation of guns from individuals.... but no.. nobody wants to ban guns. Just have "common sense" laws..
I remember hearing about that law, and at the time, wondering why most provisions weren't already law. I haven't looked it up. Don't have any idea what's in it. You can tell me which provisions you think are ridiculous, which ones can't be fixed with a simple provision, and which ones you like. I'll see if I agree with you. It probably only has 10-15 provisions. It shouldn't take more than 5 minutes.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:47 pm to cas4t
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Alahunter, everyone should be entitled to own a gun. Everyone that is mentally stable that is. Your points that you keep bringing up are irrelevant. It's not about stripping folks of their guns. It's not about closing down gun shops. It's just about screening to make sure that the folks who are buying guns are mentally fit to own one.
With all due respect.. the gun control lobby is all about closing down gun shops, stripping folks of their guns and attacking all gun owners.
Chicago violated federal law for yrs and ran gun businesses out of town. New York illegally confiscated guns from a retired NY police officer.
Connecticut required registration of fricking magazines that were over 10 rounds.
The end game is always complete bans and the gun control lobby has been chipping away towards that for decades under the guise of "common sense" and "if it saves one ___".
There are enough laws on the books to address every issue concerning the crimes that happen. ENFORCE those and quit creating further burdens and infringing on law abiding citizens who DO NOT violate the law. Because those are the only people that will be affected.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:48 pm to Alahunter
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I mean.. if you can't even be honest about that.. is there really any more need to try to discuss anything?
What am I not being honest about?
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:50 pm to Alahunter
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With all due respect.. the gun control lobby is all about closing down gun shops, stripping folks of their guns and attacking all gun owners.
Both sides are too extreme then. What's right exists in the middle. If you don't think pragmatic compromise is possible, that's your prerogative, but that doesn't invalidate the argument for reasonable gun control.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:53 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Don't have any idea what's in it
Bans high capacity mags (over 10 rounds)
background checks to purchase ammunition
registry of "assault weapons"
report stolen guns in 24 hrs
expand definition of assault weapons to less cosmetic changes
background checks for all private sales
storage of guns
all sells must go through FFL, even if privately sold to a family member
Allows law enforcement officials to pre-emptively seize one's firearms without a warrant or court order when there is probable cause the individual is mentally unstable or intends to use the weapons to commit a crime
I have issue with pretty much every one of those things.
This post was edited on 9/3/15 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:53 pm to Alahunter
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No Rights should be denied because of the action of someone else.
Well we can agree to disagree on this stance. I am a firm believer that a few can ruin it for everyone. And it's only your Right because someone over 200 years ago decided it was. Times. Have. Changed.
The population of America has grown significantly more since when the Constitution was implemented. They didn't face the same challenges we face today. Media, of all types, have made it more attractive to commit these heinous crimes in the eyes of evil people. And believe it or not, these evil people are mentally unstable. And they shouldn't be capable of buying a gun legally.
Do you not agree that mentally unstable people, who want to murder, should not be able to walk into a gun shop and buy a gun?
I'll never understand how folks can't just grasp this at it's most basic level.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:54 pm to TeLeFaWx
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What am I not being honest about?
It's not about stripping folks of their guns. It's not about closing down gun shops. It's just about screening to make sure that the folks who are buying guns are mentally fit to own one.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:55 pm to cas4t
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You don't have to do one without the other. I think both issues should be revisited.
Because one targets the root of the problem and the other just punishes law abiding citizens by restricting their rights.
It doesn't matter if you register guns, license people, or perform mental health tests before buying a gun. If the laws are strict and even keep a dangerous person from buying a new gun, he will obtain one illegally either by private purchase, black market, or steal one. You can't stop it.
The solution is to not remove the guns, but to target and remove those who are dangerous to society by involuntary commitment and stricter, longer sentences for violent criminals. Too many people are released on the streets due to overcrowded prisons from stupid drug laws
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:57 pm to cas4t
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And it's only your Right because someone over 200 years ago decided it was. Times. Have. Changed
If you believe that, then you believe all Rights are granted by Government and the Declaration of Independence is null and void.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:59 pm to Alahunter
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With all due respect.. the gun control lobby is all about closing down gun shops, stripping folks of their guns and attacking all gun owners.
Not everyone feels this way. It's not just a single line of thinking that spans across and entire group of people-liberals.
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The end game is always complete bans and the gun control lobby
Well this just isn't going to happen. It's just not. Someone executed kindergarteners and it didn't happen.
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ENFORCE those and quit creating further burdens and infringing on law abiding citizens who DO NOT violate the law.
I agree that the laws can and should be enforced better. But making it a little bit tougher to buy a gun is not going to give you cancer, man. Having to visit a psychologist to have them sign off saying you are mentally capable is not going to make your life a living Hell. It's just not. It's not a big deal as long as you're fit to own a gun! And if it keeps a gun out of 1 autistic psychopathic bullied kid's hands, then it's worth every second you spent in the waiting room.
This post was edited on 9/3/15 at 5:03 pm
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