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re: A story that will anger gun control advocates.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:10 pm to TeLeFaWx
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:10 pm to TeLeFaWx
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What laws can be implemented to deter future Sandy Hooks? Either you accept that gun control laws can be enacted that can minimize irresponsible gun ownership or you don't.
That's a nonanswer to the question.
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So you don't think anything can be done to promote responsible gun ownership. Got it
You don't need gun control to promote responsible gun ownership. Hell, the NRA has programs that do this. Too bad gun control zealots would rather preach ignorance and fear of firearms instead of contributing actual money and time to do that.
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Naw. Interstate Commerce Clause could probably be used in some way. You are legally allowed to own a car, hunt, fish, fly a plane... requiring a license isn't a big deal.
Nothing to do with what you said.
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So you think I'm proposing banning guns in any way? Because then your comparison about banning when people could and couldn't drive might make sense. It's a free country. If you want to take your vehicle out on the road whenever you want you should be able to. If you want a gun, you should be able to have one. You still need to be a responsible car owner. You need tax title and license. And then a driver's license. And you need insurance. And within the world of driving you make laws that promote safety. Speed limits. Drunk driving laws. I don't get why this is so offensive. Actually, I do. It's because you live in the Fox News era, where pragmatism is non-existent and hyperbolic ideology dominates every belief.
You're for making it harder and increasing Gov't control over ownership of a Constitutional Right. And
thinking I watch Fox news. 
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Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:12 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Socio economic, eh? I'm all for making guns a lot more expensive. That would take a lot more guns out of the hands of would be robbers than it would people who own them for personal safety. It's simple economics. You could even offer a buy back program. Less guns would make the prices even higher.
Awesome. You are with Stonehog in your racist attempt at pricing out poorer, noncaucasians of the ability to exercise a Constitutional Right. What do the two of you have against poor minorities, that you would prefer to strip them of their rights through taxation methods?
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:13 pm to Alahunter
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Adric’s family got involved, but not in the way most would like to think. Instead of giving a wounded Adric the speech about crime and consequences, and how lucky he was to survive, the family turned against the Good Samaritan, arguing that if the customer’s life wasn’t immediately in danger, he should have left the store and do nothing. That he should have minded his own business.
I'm honestly not surprised. Which is sad.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:13 pm to Alahunter
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Awesome. You are with Stonehog in your racist attempt at pricing out poorer, noncaucasians of the ability to exercise a Constitutional Right. What do the two of you have against poor minorities, that you would prefer to strip them of their rights through taxation methods?
Said nothing about race. A poor piece of white trash with a gun wanting to commit a crime is just as bad to me as anyone else looking to commit a crime with a gun.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:14 pm to Alahunter
Redneck board.....oh, never mind
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:18 pm to Alahunter
So a few people were saved, meanwhile several more are being killed every day. A broken clock is right twice a day, doesn't mean it don't need fixing.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:22 pm to LewDawg
You "pro life" conservatives sure are some blood thirsty mother frickers. Apparently the whole pro life thing ends once the child is born. What a bunch of goddamn hypocrites.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:22 pm to Masterag
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So a few people were saved, meanwhile several more are being killed every day. A broken clock is right twice a day, doesn't mean it don't need fixing.
How many are killed by legally obtained firearms, vs those obtained illegally? How many are killed in the commission of another crime?
Why should even one person be denied a Right, because of another person breaking the law?
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:23 pm to Alahunter
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There's plenty on the books.
And gun violence is still a major problem in this country. Sure, the rate has gone down over the years, but it is still a problem. Among civilized, industrial societies, our gun violence numbers are some of the worst. But let's keep arguing we need them to fight back a tyrannical government when we're just killing each other with them. rabble, rabble, rabble, Constitution. hoo-hah!
But I'm a realist and realize guns are too ingrained within our culture for there ever to be any measures that curtail it significantly. We have a morbid fascination with guns, and that's not changing anytime soon.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:23 pm to Alahunter
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You're for making it harder and increasing Gov't control
That's the point. It should be harder to get a gun. I don't see what's wrong with going through another 4-5 steps in order to buy a gun legally. I own, idk, probably a dozen or so guns. I'm willing to take the extra time and do whatever I need to do even if there is the potential that it stops just 1 mentally unstable person from buying a gun legally.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:26 pm to The Spleen
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Among civilized, industrial societies, our gun violence numbers are some of the worst
Do further comparisons to narrow down where the problem lies.
Are you aware that gun crimes by whites in America are on par and even lower than European nations?
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But I'm a realist
No. You're an apologist. You're an occasional troll. But most of all, you're wrong and are unwilling to talk about anything that would make you appear unapologetic towards certain segments of society.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:26 pm to Alahunter
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A story that will anger gun enthusiasts
Aurora.
Charleston.
Chattanooga.
Sandy Hook.
Virginia.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:26 pm to Alahunter
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How many are killed by legally obtained firearms, vs those obtained illegally? How many are killed in the commission of another crime?
Idk, but you can't do much about the black-market. We've tried that. And still are.
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Why should even one person be denied a Right, because of another person breaking the law?
Instilling a more intense screening process is not preventing someone from their Right. But even it did, yea. Sometimes one person can ruin it for everyone. It's life.
This post was edited on 9/3/15 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:27 pm to cas4t
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That's the point. It should be harder to get a gun. I don't see what's wrong with going through another 4-5 steps in order to buy a gun legally. I own, idk, probably a dozen or so guns. I'm willing to take the extra time and do whatever I need to do even if there is the potential that it stops just 1 mentally unstable person from buying a gun legally.
What if that extra steps results in someone not being able to defend themselves because of an untimely purchase? Is their life not valued the same because they wished to exercise their Right to own a firearm?
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:30 pm to Alahunter
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Are you aware that gun crimes by whites in America are on par and even lower than European nations?
I really couldn't care less where the gun violence is occurring. They're still American citizens getting shot and doing the shooting, regardless of their race, sex, age, etc.
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You're an apologist
Apologist for whom?
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unwilling to talk about anything that would make you appear unapologetic towards certain segments of society.
You're going to have to explain this one too.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:31 pm to BallstotheWesleyWall
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Aurora. Family had same views as gun control advocates. Worked wonders, didn't it?
Charleston. Racist. But those flags are gone. Will never have another incident like that again. Whew.
Chattanooga. Thank goodness for gun free zones.
Sandy Hook. Liberalism at it's finest. Guns made him crazy and who needs parental responsibility. He's just going through a phase and these warning signs are nothing.
Virginia. Damn whitey's deserved that cuz the dude was a victim his entire life.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:31 pm to Alahunter
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What if that extra steps results in someone not being able to defend themselves because of an untimely purchase?
No one is implying thy have to complete Ranger School here.
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s their life not valued the same because they wished to exercise their Right to own a firearm?
You're continually throwing around Rights. It's 2015 and things change. But again, no one is saying you can't get a gun. You think the Founding Fathers would want someone with severe autism to carry a gun? It's just a different day and age.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:33 pm to cas4t
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But even it did, yea. Sometimes one person can ruin it for everyone. It's life
No Rights should be denied because of the action of someone else. It's only life, if it's allowed and it shouldn't be.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:33 pm to Alahunter
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Why should even one person be denied a Right, because of another person breaking the law?
Nobody is talking about being denied rights to law abiding, competent citizens. How is trying to keep guns out of hands of mentally incompetent people by virtue of thorough checks no matter the venue keeping you from your rights?
Additionally, the constitution doesn't explicitly give the wholesale right to bear arms for all. But what it does explicitly say is "WELL REGULATED." What we have now is hardly regulated.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 4:34 pm to Alahunter
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That's a nonanswer to the question.
It is absolutely an answer. What new law on the books would have prevented the 30 drunk driving deaths that happened yesterday in this country? None? Well let's just eliminate all of them, right? Obviously laws can't act as a deterrent or promote a culture of responsible behavior. You'd much rather have your kids on the road with 1950s drunk driving laws than the ones now, I guarantee it.
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You don't need gun control to promote responsible gun ownership.
Um. What? There are plenty of people that would never consider drinking and driving, regardless of the law. The law makes a difference.
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Hell, the NRA has programs that do this.
So?
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Too bad gun control zealots would rather preach ignorance and fear of firearms instead of contributing actual money and time to do that.
What kind of socialist are you asking non-gun owners to fund responsible gun ownership?
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You're for making it harder and increasing Gov't control over ownership of a Constitutional Right.
Making it harder to own guns by making someone buy a license and take a class. O no. How does anyone ever hunt and fish? The mean old government infringing on the right to feed myself! It's just ridiculous. Just because you are mentally handicapped and Aspergery as frick like the Sandy Hook guy, do you magically lose all your Constitutional Rights? Do you find any law that would prevent him from getting a gun Unconstitutional? No. Of course you don't. You pick and choose what laws make sense. Dictating logic under the ideology that "ERMAGAH IF DA GUVMINT IS INVOLVED DEN IMA LOSE MY GUNS" is so short sighted. I can't believe people live their lives accepting such ridiculous hyperbolic generalities. There are cars on the road and every one of them has a license plate. What are you people so scared of.
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