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Posted by mosoblkcougar
Kansas City
Member since Oct 2013
1248 posts
Posted on 11/18/15 at 11:36 am to
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Definitely NIT 16-17. Tournament 17-18.

Why should we lower our expectations because KA bombed last year? I think we need to make the NIT this year and NCAA next if KA wants to keep his job. This is only a rebuild because KA ran off half the team and had some missteps recruiting, ie not recruiting a big man his first 2 classes which is damn near inexcusable.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67482 posts
Posted on 11/18/15 at 12:13 pm to
quote:

You really can't see the positive strides we have made thus far?

This

We're light years ahead of last year & we have 1000% more talent.

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One minute they are playing great, the next you are scratching your head.

Yep, being this young is bi-polar & frustrating
Posted by Kamikaze25
Columbia
Member since Jul 2015
1199 posts
Posted on 11/18/15 at 12:16 pm to
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Why should we lower our expectations because KA bombed last year?


Truthfully, Coach frickin K would have bombed with that squad. I'm glad we ran off Teki and JWIII.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111513 posts
Posted on 11/18/15 at 2:25 pm to
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I think we need to make the NIT this year and NCAA next if KA wants to keep his job.


We've defined success so far down that if KA finishes at .500, he's going to get an extension. And we're going to be mediocre for a while. Maybe we will get stable enough that the next coach can get us competing for conference championships again.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111513 posts
Posted on 11/18/15 at 2:26 pm to
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Truthfully, Coach frickin K would have bombed with that squad. I'm glad we ran off Teki and JWIII.


Oh good. An alternate reality-er.
Posted by Kamikaze25
Columbia
Member since Jul 2015
1199 posts
Posted on 11/18/15 at 2:44 pm to
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Oh good. An alternate reality-er.


I like ball movement far more than shitty first-pass shots... If a guy would rather hang out and rehab in Canada, frick him... Bye, don't let the door hit ya... Everyone on the team hated JWIII, that's why he left. No one included him in their circle.

I guess I just support team basketball. Not a big fan of the AAU "let the boyz play!!" style. I hate losing in the first round of the tournament every year.

I get a chuckle out of the Mizzou fans who were expecting a tournament team last year...
Posted by jafo
Northwest Missouri State Bearcats
Member since Jan 2012
2954 posts
Posted on 11/18/15 at 3:24 pm to
I think this is what you will be getting for the next year or two. KA recruits four year guys. I think rarely he will get a player that actually has an NBA future. These are all blue collar developmental players. Until he gets his core players started where he can string two maybe three decent years in a row with the occasioanl tourny appearance. I just don't see four years recruits outplaying any blue blood teams come tournament time unless they just really play good team BB together. But you may not have that every year.

I think with KA you basically ha e to just accept it for what it is.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111513 posts
Posted on 11/18/15 at 3:42 pm to
No one with any connection to reality expected Kim Anderson to take us to the tournament last year.

I'm not sure why JW3 not being liked by the team is such a good thing. He was one of the few players who kept his nose clean off the court. And JW3 might have helped with post defense and definitely with rebounding.

Keep pumping that sunshine. You'll have a little company here.
Posted by Kamikaze25
Columbia
Member since Jul 2015
1199 posts
Posted on 11/18/15 at 4:00 pm to
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I'm not sure why JW3 not being liked by the team is such a good thing.


Who said that was a good thing? It's good to remove a cancer. He was a social outcast that couldn't connect with his teammates.

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Keep pumping that sunshine. You'll have a little company here.


From what I have read, everyone is loving the way this team has looked. Media, fans, etc... We will make freshman mistakes, which is okay. Hell, KA's freshman are outplaying Haith's sophomores...

Honestly, from what I've seen (twitter, fb, message boards, etc.), the doubters are in the extreme minority right now. Every single player looks 10 times better than last year. Well, other than Gant. He bad...

Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33366 posts
Posted on 11/18/15 at 4:09 pm to
I think a realistic step forward would be getting to .500 for the year with a chance at the NIT. Next year KA needs to make a serious run at the tournament.

I have been encouraged by their play in all but the second half of last night's game. They looked really bad, after playing much better ball at all other times. Something to also consider is that was their 3rd game in 5 days as well. Maybe they lost their legs a bit in the second half. Who knows.

As for J3 and MGC. I'm not missing them at all. Puryear and Walton have essentially taken their spots and both look to be upgrades to me.

I also agree about Gant. This team needs him to step up. He's another guy, with a lot of talent, who just has no feel for the game. Takes bad shot, makes bad decisions. Didn't add much strength in the offseason. Still getting bullied down low. He's way more talented than he plays.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17979 posts
Posted on 11/19/15 at 7:22 am to
It is almost easier to make the NCAAT than the NIT. You have to be pretty good to make the NIT if you are in a P5 conference.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111513 posts
Posted on 11/19/15 at 8:10 am to
So you're saying that we were pretty good for Haith's last year.
Posted by Remote Controlled
Member since Apr 2013
6859 posts
Posted on 11/19/15 at 8:30 am to
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It is almost easier to make the NCAAT than the NIT. You have to be pretty good to make the NIT if you are in a P5 conference.


I. Can't . Even.
Posted by Kamikaze25
Columbia
Member since Jul 2015
1199 posts
Posted on 11/19/15 at 8:42 am to
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It is almost easier to make the NCAAT than the NIT


Wut?
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17979 posts
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:33 am to
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Wut?


are you not familiar with the NIT selection requirements now days?
Posted by 5thTiger
Member since Nov 2014
7996 posts
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:37 am to
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are you not familiar with the NIT selection requirements now days?


Pretty sure you are off...
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17979 posts
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:42 am to
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Pretty sure you are off...


How so? Getting an at large bid for the NIT can be very difficult depending on how the conference tournaments shake out. Regular season conference champs from all conferences are guaranteed an NIT bid if they don't make the NCAAT.

There can be some small at large fields for the NIT depending on the year. There have been plenty of NCAAT bubble teams from P5 conferences lately that didn't make the NIT despite being considered bubble teams for the NCAAT.
Posted by 5thTiger
Member since Nov 2014
7996 posts
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:49 am to
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There can be some small at large fields for the NIT depending on the year


You have it backwards.

The NCAA tournament is much more difficult to get into, and it isn't even debatable.

Borderline .500 teams make the NIT every single year.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17979 posts
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:53 am to
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You have it backwards.

The NCAA tournament is much more difficult to get into, and it isn't even debatable.

Borderline .500 teams make the NIT every single year.


Ah, I see. You completely missed the point. The point was using the NIT as some type of barometer or measuring stick is retarded as a team has very little control of getting there. The NCAAT is a reasonable goal (if realistic) as there is far less impacting your chances of making it beyond your own accomplishments as a team that season.
Posted by 5thTiger
Member since Nov 2014
7996 posts
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:56 am to
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Ah, I see. You completely missed the point. The point was using the NIT as some type of barometer or measuring stick is retarded as a team has very little control of getting there. The NCAAT is a reasonable goal (if realistic) as there is far less impacting your chances of making it beyond your own accomplishments as a team that season.


WTF are you even talking about?

NCAA tournament has 36 at large bids. NIT only has 32. Literally nothing you are saying makes any sense.
This post was edited on 11/19/15 at 9:57 am
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