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re: Read and React D-Real Problem

Posted on 10/7/16 at 4:22 pm to
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 4:22 pm to
I totally understand.
Posted by MIZ_COU
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 7:46 pm to
It would be nice if we were deep enough on D to do some serious substition
This post was edited on 10/7/16 at 7:47 pm
Posted by sharpwp
Charlotte, NC
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 10/8/16 at 11:36 am to
Does anyone else think the up tempo offense is hurting the Defense this year. They are out there all night long. SO far the offense has only been any good against the cream puffs, for one half against Georgia and in mop up time against WVU. If our D is having a tough time maybe slowing down and keeping them off the field so much might help a tad???
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 10/8/16 at 12:07 pm to
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Does anyone else think the up tempo offense is hurting the Defense this year.


That can be a problem yes. We've all seen defenses that get left on the field too long and with the complication of learning a new scheme it doesn't make things any easier for Mizzou's D.
Posted by wubilli
Columbia
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 10/8/16 at 1:41 pm to
That could be a problem late in games as fatigue sets in. But this defense has struggled early in games. And has way too many missed tackles that aren't related to fatigue.
Posted by Tackle74
Columbia, MO
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 10/8/16 at 4:42 pm to
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Does anyone else think the up tempo offense is hurting the Defense this year


Last year was wayyyy worse the D was on the field all the time and did not look like shite.
Posted by MIZ_COU
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Posted on 10/8/16 at 11:39 pm to
losing our best LB has been huge.
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
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Posted on 10/9/16 at 9:45 am to
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That could be a problem late in games as fatigue sets in. But this defense has struggled early in games. And has way too many missed tackles that aren't related to fatigue.


If it helps any I get to watch the Razorback defense struggle early, middle, and late in games. Partly due to inferior talent compared to a behemoth like Bama, but also partly due to schematic issues.

Arkansas doesn't blitz very much and we rely on our front 4 to bring all the pressure. We do have some pretty good pass rushers there, but we play off the WRs with our secondary, usually giving them 7 yard cushions. That allows wideouts to quickly catch the ball in space with no one around them and you can't do that with SEC level athletes. Its hard to get pressure on the QB when they fling it out there right away to a wide open man.

Also with our secondary playing so deep it means we usually only have six players in the box. Given that our Linebackers are not particularly fleet of foot one missed tackle or bad read and the other team is off to the races with their running game.
Posted by MIZ_COU
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Posted on 10/9/16 at 3:48 pm to
sounds a lot like us
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
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Posted on 10/10/16 at 10:06 am to
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sounds a lot like us


I think, and I could be very wrong, that in order for a school that doesn't just roll out 5 star talent at every position to be successful on defense in the modern SEC you have to be more aggressive and take some chances.

Because sitting back and trying to play safe is going to get you scored on in bunches anyway with all the speed SEC athletes have. Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, and the like have to roll the dice some against schools like Bama to have a chance.
Posted by MIZ_COU
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Posted on 10/10/16 at 10:49 am to
we've gotten away with having nfl talent at a few key positions and a strong supporting cast. This year we don't have an NFL linebacker and it really shows. We need another Brothers.
Posted by surgicalvenom
Omaha
Member since Jan 2014
5366 posts
Posted on 10/10/16 at 11:09 am to
They have 3 athletic LB's but their book smarts aren't where they should be. So the dilemma is, play the less athletic guys who understand the playbook, or play the more athletic guys who don't know the book as well.

My vote is to play the guys who's athleticism more than makes up for a few mental errors. When the current crop is in the right position, they physically can't run so what's the use of knowing the book?
Posted by MIZ_COU
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Posted on 10/10/16 at 11:12 am to
let's apply that to RB's as well. maybe they will do some of that during the bye, we can hope
This post was edited on 10/10/16 at 11:54 am
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
Member since Aug 2014
25196 posts
Posted on 10/10/16 at 1:47 pm to
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This year we don't have an NFL linebacker and it really shows


Our best defense so far featured an NFL ready LB, though he's been dealing with injuries in the NFL. In this era of SEC football you need to have one (or more) next level talents for a linebacker. Someone who can play the run and still drop back in coverage and be solid.
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 10/10/16 at 2:42 pm to
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They have 3 athletic LB's but their book smarts aren't where they should be. So the dilemma is, play the less athletic guys who understand the playbook, or play the more athletic guys who don't know the book as well.


I'm sure it's completely by accident that almost every play is called to Burkett's side.
Posted by surgicalvenom
Omaha
Member since Jan 2014
5366 posts
Posted on 10/10/16 at 3:38 pm to
It's almost painful to watch him run or move laterally. Now if he is moving straight the kid can play.
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33366 posts
Posted on 10/10/16 at 3:45 pm to
I don't think Burkett's problem is not being athletic enough. He moves really well for a 225 lb guy. He's just not very physical.

I'd play Hall. He may make more mistakes or whatever, but he's out to bust some heads. Even if Burkett is always in position he's rarely making the plays anyway.
Posted by Tigersessed
Member since Feb 2012
498 posts
Posted on 10/10/16 at 4:17 pm to
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Arkansas doesn't blitz very much and we rely on our front 4 to bring all the pressure. We do have some pretty good pass rushers there, but we play off the WRs with our secondary, usually giving them 7 yard cushions.

It's funny because that describes MU's previous defense that some fans are upset about transitioning from. I think any defense can be good if implemented and executed well with good players.

It seems our coaches are doing what they think is best for years 3-5. That is when they get extended or fired. They will play younger players and turn over the roster in a couple of years so that years 3-5 are set up. If they lose some games that shouldn't be early on, it just allows for more progress to be shown in subsequent years. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't, but seems to be standard operating procedures for new coaching staffs.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 10/10/16 at 5:19 pm to
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If they lose some games that shouldn't be early


I honestly think wiBO would be fine missing a bowl this yet so that we can show "growth" by making a bowl next year.
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