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Posted on 10/3/16 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 10/3/16 at 2:52 pm
There is inherently nothing wrong with the Defensive schemes that Cross & Odom want to run, many top teams run this type of D. The problem though is that this scheme to succeed at a high level takes a very high level of athlete. The old attacking Mizzou D covered up the lack of top end talent Mizzou has played with over the years. For a D-Lineman to engage the OLine, read the play and then shed the OL takes a high talent level. To shoot a gap and go up field requires a quick first step and tenacity. Look how many underrated athletes Mizzou turned into stud D-Lines and you can see this at work. Basically Mizzou will have to improved the quality of recruit to succeed against the top level SEC teams. Rather this move was smart or not can be argued. You cannot also discount how well a scheme is coached is a part of the equation. Two coaches can run the same scheme with the same level of talent and get vastly different results. I think the most damning part of this years defense is how the players have not really bought into the changes. That is a coaching issue.
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Posted on 10/3/16 at 3:12 pm to Tackle74
Dear internet people.
We just played arguably the most talented complete team in the country at arguably the best and most difficult venue in the sport -- under an entirely new offensive system that we couldn't prepare for.
It was the type of game everything had to go right to have a chance.
We missed a pick early. And we dropped some catchable balls that would have given us first downs early.
Instead our D got totally gassed out early and all spun downhill fast.
This team just competed well with Georgia, and would compete well with 96% of college football teams in America.
Get your minds right.
We just played arguably the most talented complete team in the country at arguably the best and most difficult venue in the sport -- under an entirely new offensive system that we couldn't prepare for.
It was the type of game everything had to go right to have a chance.
We missed a pick early. And we dropped some catchable balls that would have given us first downs early.
Instead our D got totally gassed out early and all spun downhill fast.
This team just competed well with Georgia, and would compete well with 96% of college football teams in America.
Get your minds right.
This post was edited on 10/3/16 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 10/3/16 at 3:17 pm to Supreme Tiger
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This team just competed well with Georgia, and would compete well with 96% of college football teams in America.
Laughable
Posted on 10/3/16 at 3:29 pm to Supreme Tiger
Tell me how the OP was wrong? Instead of "reality check".
Posted on 10/3/16 at 3:48 pm to Tackle74
Which is more reason to not run an R&R (read and react) defense right now. But at this point, they will stay the course. Whether the players will buy in or improve or understand how to play it reamins to be seen. I still think just because everyone else does doesn't necessarily translate that it's good for us. I think you're right that it fits the level of talent we currently have. Successful teams plan around the talent level they have. That's what Odom should be doing. Just personal opinion there. He's not playing to his talent levels strengths. We're not going to be a top recruiting team, so where will this talent level come from? They have recruited at this level for years, installed a system to play towards it's level of talent and now abruptly changes direction like he'll be able to recruit the talent level needed to run a R&R scheme.
Yeh right.
Yeh right.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 3:53 pm to Tackle74
I believe something is wrong with the teaching. Forget the DL struggles. Cross' position group the LB's run past the gaps, bad angles and clean tackling is an issue. The pulling guard only had to push Scherer in the back because he was constantly running out of the gap. Burkett is flat out a liability, is Lee contributing anything besides special teams? All these guys have game experience, and Scherer is the MLB and directs the defense, but they all look confused once the ball is snapped.
The only time the defense looked confident and comfortable was getting after UGA. No delays, no reads, just get after them. Scherer hit the gaps quickly and hit hard, the DL penetrated and the OLB tackled before the RB got to the edges. Not only do they know that system, it was what they were recruited to do. If they try to recruit size and strength for R&R that puts them in direct competition with the southern schools, how can they win that battle?
The only time the defense looked confident and comfortable was getting after UGA. No delays, no reads, just get after them. Scherer hit the gaps quickly and hit hard, the DL penetrated and the OLB tackled before the RB got to the edges. Not only do they know that system, it was what they were recruited to do. If they try to recruit size and strength for R&R that puts them in direct competition with the southern schools, how can they win that battle?
Posted on 10/3/16 at 4:19 pm to surgicalvenom
Well said.
I think this was the "reality check" someone was asking for earlier
I think this was the "reality check" someone was asking for earlier
Posted on 10/3/16 at 4:23 pm to Tackle74
Like I put in the other thread we don't have the LB's. We have decent LB's, but they are just not athletic enough.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 4:38 pm to SemperFi
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Laughable
Is it though?
There might be 10 teams at most that I'd be scared to play out of fear of embarrassment. Real number is probably 6 or 7.
There's 128 D1 football teams.
Mizzou would compete well with over 90% of teams.
There's a lot of overreacting and lack of full scope thinking going on after this LSU game -- which was undeniably embarrassing.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 4:40 pm to Tackle74
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Tell me how the OP was wrong? Instead of "reality check".
I can't say. I didn't really read beyond the third sentence.
Use paragraphs.
Some spacing.
Might help.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 4:46 pm to Supreme Tiger
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We just played arguably the most talented complete team in the country
No.
Your idea of balance is appropriate however.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 5:05 pm to the808bass
A lot of people picked LSU to win the SEC and nat'l championship because they're arguably the most talented complete group in the country.
On paper they match up with just about anyone talent wise -- so it's in fact provably correct for me to say they're arguably one of the most talented teams in the country.
O fixed the glitch on offense.
We suffered.
On paper they match up with just about anyone talent wise -- so it's in fact provably correct for me to say they're arguably one of the most talented teams in the country.
O fixed the glitch on offense.
We suffered.
This post was edited on 10/3/16 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 10/3/16 at 5:11 pm to Supreme Tiger
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A lot of people picked LSU to win the SEC and nat'l championship because they're arguably the most talented complete group in the country. On paper they match up with just about anyone talent wise -- so it's in fact provably correct for me to say they're arguably one of the most talented teams in the country.
One of the most talented teams is absolutely correct. I'm not sure why you added "complete" in there.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 5:22 pm to the808bass
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One of the most talented teams is absolutely correct. I'm not sure why you added "complete" in there.
They're not a complete team?
Where are they lacking?
Posted on 10/3/16 at 6:21 pm to Supreme Tiger
QB
Posted on 10/3/16 at 6:24 pm to the808bass
Were Alabama's national championship teams complete teams, even though they just had an unskilled game manager at qb?
The answer is yes.
LSU is a complete team that was mismanaged under Les. Both lines are beast. Skilled at WR and RB. Dominant defense.
The answer is yes.
LSU is a complete team that was mismanaged under Les. Both lines are beast. Skilled at WR and RB. Dominant defense.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 6:30 pm to Supreme Tiger
You can rephrase however you'd like. Etling wouldn't have started for any of those Bama teams ahead of those "game managers." He wouldn't start for any top 25 team I can think of with maybe the exception of Florida with Del Rio injured.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 6:33 pm to the808bass
You can interpret things how you wish. I disagree while seeing what you're saying. Etling is garbage.
But as units, all three are elite. O, D, and ST.
They're complete.
But as units, all three are elite. O, D, and ST.
They're complete.
This post was edited on 10/3/16 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 10/3/16 at 6:35 pm to the808bass
And don't gimme this business with game managers being in quotes, as if that's a unique view of mine. Grandma's across the south know those Bama qb's as game managers.
Posted on 10/3/16 at 6:41 pm to Supreme Tiger
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But as units, all three are elite. O, D, and ST.
I agree with this.
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