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Posted on 12/4/15 at 4:33 pm to jafo
Posted on 12/4/15 at 4:33 pm to jafo
OC hire is the make or break deal here. If Odom can find a guy and let's him take over the offense we'll be in good shape.
From Odom's interview, I don't think this happens. He has ideas for the offense, which scares me more than anything.
From Odom's interview, I don't think this happens. He has ideas for the offense, which scares me more than anything.
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 4:49 pm to TigerCruise
I agree the OC is a critical hire. But Odom has to have ideas for the offense in order to know what kind of OC he's looking for. I don't have a problem with that. He is the HC and should have a say in the overal. That doesn't worry me. What would is he trying to coach the offense's X's and O's. But I don't see that happening.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 5:03 pm to SemperFi
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Just once, I was hoping they could bring in a Established coach. After all, we moved to the SEC because??????
Gary Pinkel was an up and comer at Toledo and Larry Smith was a head coach at USC.
you can either get an up and comer from a mid major(like Herman, but he wasn't leaving unless texas called) or a coach that couldn't cut it at a big school( like Richt). The only people left are Fedora (lateral move for him), Dykes (record sucks, so why would we want him), and Patterson (why on earth would he come?).
Odom was the best AVAILABLE.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 5:51 pm to pauliebleaker
Don't give a damn what the players think, the rah rah guys are never the hard core of any team.
Coordinator hire: first year is a rough learning experience, lucky to reach .500. We will only begin to see how good he is in the 2nd year.
What we will see is how bad the current team poisoned the well: What coordinators are willing to come here and work in a potentially hostile and subversive environment.
Coordinator hire: first year is a rough learning experience, lucky to reach .500. We will only begin to see how good he is in the 2nd year.
What we will see is how bad the current team poisoned the well: What coordinators are willing to come here and work in a potentially hostile and subversive environment.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 6:22 pm to pauliebleaker
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Gary Pinkel was an up and comer at Toledo and Larry Smith was a head coach at USC. you can either get an up and comer from a mid major(like Herman, but he wasn't leaving unless texas called) or a coach that couldn't cut it at a big school( like Richt). The only people left are Fedora (lateral move for him), Dykes (record sucks, so why would we want him), and Patterson (why on earth would he come?). Odom was the best AVAILABLE.
UVA just pulled Mendenhall from BYU.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 6:27 pm to TigerCruise
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UVA just pulled Mendenhall from BYU.
This is a great hire IMO. I have long said that I would love to see what Bronco could do at a school without the recruiting disadvantages that BYU has.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 6:56 pm to wubilli
We always think we can get whoever we want, then get bitch slapped with reality. It's not that easy to get someone to come to midmo. And hiring a coach aint that easy. GA got bama's DC, Scar is getting Muschamp.
We knew the list: Calhoun, Wells, Dykes, Odom, Campbell. Rhule interviewed, I was impressed we got that far. Wonder what happened there. The only reason we flirted with Herman is Rhodes has him on speed dial.
So an established mid major (which is what Pinkle was), or a hot unproven up and comer. That is where we are at folks.
I actually wished we had got Rhule out of the genuine possibilities but after that I prefer Odom.
It's at least interesting. He could turn out great and if so would even probably stick around. Or he could suck at management, hiring, or offense. If there was a proven formula to hire a coach (outside of giving Saban 10 mil), there would be 30 teams going undefeated each season.
We knew the list: Calhoun, Wells, Dykes, Odom, Campbell. Rhule interviewed, I was impressed we got that far. Wonder what happened there. The only reason we flirted with Herman is Rhodes has him on speed dial.
So an established mid major (which is what Pinkle was), or a hot unproven up and comer. That is where we are at folks.
I actually wished we had got Rhule out of the genuine possibilities but after that I prefer Odom.
It's at least interesting. He could turn out great and if so would even probably stick around. Or he could suck at management, hiring, or offense. If there was a proven formula to hire a coach (outside of giving Saban 10 mil), there would be 30 teams going undefeated each season.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:25 pm to NEMizzou
I wish we had as much money as you seem to think we do. We can't compete with a lot of schools when it does come down to money. Had we been willing to pay assistants more money Odom would not have been our head coach. I will wait and see but on paper this looks like a very poor hire. We struck out on several others before him. It is what it is and I hope he is successful. I would be happy with 7-8 wins a year with him because I am afraid he is never going to get there. I thought one of the reasons we hired Rhoades was because he was such a good AD when it came to football coaching hires.
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We know it wasn't about the money, because Mizzou pays as much or more than all but a handful of schools out there. Not sure how you're supposed to convince someone to come here who doesn't want to leave where they are at, and the only fired coach who was worth a damn out there was Richt, and he went to his alma mater.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:45 pm to ZackAttackTiger
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Had we been willing to pay assistants more money Odom would not have been our head coach.
How do you know that? Who would have been the coach?
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on paper this looks like a very poor hire
How so? Odom has excelled at every coaching position he's ever had. Every single one of them.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 8:52 pm to JesusQuintana
So was Muschamp until he wasn't. Odom's previous success at a different job can't be equated to being the HC.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 9:12 pm to ZackAttackTiger
Mizzou pays its coaches in the top half of the SEC. That puts Mizzou in the top 15 to 20 nationally.
Odom's contract will be around 3 million annually.
Odom's contract will be around 3 million annually.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 9:29 pm to TigerCruise
Well, that's how people usually get promotions. By succeeding in their current position. This is a very common path people take.
That wasn't the question though. How does it look poor on paper when the guy has done nothing but succeed?
That wasn't the question though. How does it look poor on paper when the guy has done nothing but succeed?
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:22 pm to JesusQuintana
You can't figure out how no head coaching experience and then jumping into the SEC would look bad on paper?
The guy has no offensive experience, please tell me how that is going to help a team that has no offense.
The hire looks like shite on paper. The only thing that is saving him is what is off paper.
The guy has no offensive experience, please tell me how that is going to help a team that has no offense.
The hire looks like shite on paper. The only thing that is saving him is what is off paper.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:27 pm to TigerCruise
As a great defensive coach he has to know what types of offenses give his defenses the most troubles. How hard is it to know that that's the type of offense and coordinator that you want. If Odom makes good hires then he will succeed, same is true for any HC. Regardless of experience as a HC.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:32 pm to wubilli
It's that simple, just reverse engineer a little bit and you could put up 40 ppg 
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:41 pm to TigerCruise
Muschamp screwed up in not being flexible. He tried to force a pro style offense on a team that was recruited to be a spread tempo team. Odom brought up the need to be flexible offensively and run an offense based on the personnel at hand. With Lock at QB look for an offense somewhat similar to what Memphis had this year.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:44 pm to wubilli
That still doesn't fix the OL, RB, or WR talent. The coaching is shite, even if the scheme is fine.
This OC hire will make or break Odom's tenure.
This OC hire will make or break Odom's tenure.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:49 pm to TigerCruise
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his OC hire will make or break Odom's tenure.
This is what I have been saying. Mizzou has the money to get a top 15 caliber OC. Odom is very respected among coaches.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 10:56 pm to TigerCruise
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This OC hire will make or break Odom's tenure.
I tend to agree with you. That's the most critical hire here. He has to do two things: first, hire the right guy; and second, let them do the job they are hired for. It seems to me that defensive HCs like control, and struggle with being flexible and relinquishing that control on offense. The OC has to work with Odom, but lead the offense since it's not Odom's strength. Odom just has to fight the urge to control and get out of the way.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:07 pm to semotruman
Unless things has changed, looks like Josh Heupel is the leader for OC per PM.
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