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re: What record saves Muschamp's job?
Posted on 8/2/14 at 10:19 pm to slayerxing
Posted on 8/2/14 at 10:19 pm to slayerxing
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Your argument is invalid if you make excuses for all the wins in '12, but don't make excuses for the losses in '13.
fricking this
I've already explained that, and quite well.
He won with defense when he first arrived, and all of those players were Meyer recruits (minus Janoris Jenkins). He held onto the ball for dear life and shortened the game.
It's a smart thing for one year, but when any team had adequate time to prepare they beat us.
Any team.
Doesn't matter if they were Vanderbilt, Louisville or Georgia Southern -- they were able to beat us in coaching because they sure as frick didn't have the talent.
Those that did have the talent went ahead and toyed with us in games. It's really, really simple: I give him credit for what he did, but when teams figured him out, he had no back up plan.
Which is why Louisville blasted us that year -- which negates all of his success. It doesn't mean a fricking thing if you go 11 - 1 and then shite the bed at the end of the year -- that's all anyone is ever going to remember and rightly so.
I understand where you guys are going, but he's been given three years and like I said, if he hadn't just been given an extension his arse would be unemployed.
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Posted on 8/2/14 at 10:19 pm to gatordmb89
I thought Murphy did pretty good for us until he got injured. I wouldnt say he sucked. At times he played way over his head.
Posted on 8/2/14 at 10:23 pm to olemc999
He played good against terrible D's. He gave many UF fans false hope. When UF played solid D's it was easy to see the deficiencies in his game.
Posted on 8/2/14 at 10:25 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
The same Louisville team that just tied for the most 1st rd picks in the draft this past year? Making the Sugar Bowl in his 2nd yr was quite impressive, win or lose. Sucks that UF lost it, but going 11-1 against that schedule IS something to be proud of.
Posted on 8/2/14 at 10:34 pm to gatordmb89
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He gave many UF fans false hope.
I was one of the ones with false hope.
Ill give the kid credit though, he must of escaped about 5 sacks a game.Posted on 8/2/14 at 10:56 pm to olemc999
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I thought Murphy did pretty good for us until he got injured. I wouldnt say he sucked. At times he played way over his head.
Murphy doesn't suck -- but it's kind of the same story that Driskel had to deal with.
No O-Line to provide protection.
Lazy/uninspired receivers.
Poor playcalling.
Banged up running backs with no threat to run.
I don't think any quarterback could have done well in a pro-system without the necessary pieces; that's one of the reasons I wanted to keep the spread aspects -- smoke and mirrors type of stuff.
Posted on 8/2/14 at 11:02 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Murphy was no good. He was neither accurate nor did he have any arm strength. The weaknesses showed when UF played somewhat good D's.
Agree, UF's OL sucked.
No running gm is threatening when there's 10 in the box.
Agree, UF's OL sucked.
No running gm is threatening when there's 10 in the box.
Posted on 8/2/14 at 11:08 pm to gatordmb89
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Murphy was no good. He was neither accurate nor did he have any arm strength. The weaknesses showed when UF played somewhat good D's.
I think he did have decent mobility -- and if our offense was centered around it he may have looked a little better but yes. He did seem to make some bad calls (just as Driskel did, although few will admit that) and was quite inaccurate.
Posted on 8/2/14 at 11:17 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
No qb could of been successful behind last years oline.
Posted on 8/2/14 at 11:47 pm to olemc999
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No qb could of been successful behind last years oline.
I've seen teams with worse athletes protect better or at the very least scheme better.
The problem with the Pro is that it necessitates a very, very coherent, cogent, cognizant and coalesced team to actually operate.
Bama does it so well because they've been recruiting to do it for a while -- the majority of our team was prepped for Urb's system, then turned to Muschamp's....and not it's going back to Urb's, or at least some freak of nature that's similar. Who knows.
Posted on 8/3/14 at 9:44 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
For people like this there is always some excuses for not crediting the wins and giving all blame for the losses.
Firing Muschamp at the end of 2013 would have been a disaster. UF needed a solid recruiting class. And honestly, they really need one more decent class (2015). UF needs stability right now, or they risk becoming the next Tennessee, a program torn apart by instability because of bad decisions by the AD. Foley is fighting for stability right now, and I am thankful for his ability to look ahead.
And I also want to say I don't always blindly support Florida coaches. I felt Ron Zook was terrible for the program, and was happy when he was let go. I honestly don't feel the same about Muschamp, and think if he can just settle down his offensive staff, that UF will be in good hands for a long time.
Firing Muschamp at the end of 2013 would have been a disaster. UF needed a solid recruiting class. And honestly, they really need one more decent class (2015). UF needs stability right now, or they risk becoming the next Tennessee, a program torn apart by instability because of bad decisions by the AD. Foley is fighting for stability right now, and I am thankful for his ability to look ahead.
And I also want to say I don't always blindly support Florida coaches. I felt Ron Zook was terrible for the program, and was happy when he was let go. I honestly don't feel the same about Muschamp, and think if he can just settle down his offensive staff, that UF will be in good hands for a long time.
This post was edited on 8/3/14 at 10:31 am
Posted on 8/3/14 at 10:42 am to slayerxing
Man...what a clusterpuck this thread has evolved to
Everyone knows I am a card carrying member of the Muschamp Fan Club # 001. So...with that in mind, I will expound briefly on several subjects:
Saban would have had a horrible year in 2013 if he had the been the HC at UF with all the injuries we incurred. Theres just no way to look at it any other way.
Muschamp knows how to coach and he is one of the best defensive minds in the COUNTRY....and Foley knows that. Foley also knows 2013 was a disaster not unlike anything we've seen at UF EVER...as far as injuries. Straw, you weren't born before 1979....I was 32 yrs old then and it was a difficult year...new HC in Charlie Pell who would turn it around from 0-10-1 to something like 8-3 the next year in 1980.
Seven wins in 2014? I would hold the door open for Boom to leave. We will not be losing much folks. I expect 11-1 or even 12-0. And that is my honest opinion. Our offense will be much improved. This will silence the hotseat crap from the media. Boom just has to make sure he recruits OL as a priority...my real one complaint early on.
Straw...your memory should be better with youth, but obviously your memory is slightly tilted towards dismissal of Muschamps abilities. Boom inherited a team in 2011 that was soft and not motivated...especially a problem with discipline. Meyer had already washed his hands clean and wanted out of the hot frying pan that SEC and UF can be.
Muschamp had to clear out some of the deadwood who didn't want to practice or attend classes. I loved the quote Boom gave in his early one on one interview that he "isn't a babysitter". The previous staff coddled too much. Boom is a no nonsense coach who does have sense of humor on the practice field...but he makes the players aware that he captains the ship.
Boom HAD to get a tougher team soon and its amazing what he did in one year from 2011 to 2012 in changing the mindset of his team and especially the defense....most recruited by Meyer and not yet fully developed. We had a bench warming RB who developed as a hard SEC runner in his r/s senior season. Remember that in 2011 we had no run game....two scatbacks barely 170 lbs. and we were unable to control leads in the second half. 2012 was like night and day from 2011...you can credit Boom for that.
2014 is now upon us and we will get our share come LOI signing day....especially with a banner year Im expecting....some will flip to us. We can start to put the hammer down soon....Boom isn't going to come out in a year or two and tell us he needs more time with family. I am looking forward to streak of great seasons.
Everyone knows I am a card carrying member of the Muschamp Fan Club # 001. So...with that in mind, I will expound briefly on several subjects:
Saban would have had a horrible year in 2013 if he had the been the HC at UF with all the injuries we incurred. Theres just no way to look at it any other way.
Muschamp knows how to coach and he is one of the best defensive minds in the COUNTRY....and Foley knows that. Foley also knows 2013 was a disaster not unlike anything we've seen at UF EVER...as far as injuries. Straw, you weren't born before 1979....I was 32 yrs old then and it was a difficult year...new HC in Charlie Pell who would turn it around from 0-10-1 to something like 8-3 the next year in 1980.
Seven wins in 2014? I would hold the door open for Boom to leave. We will not be losing much folks. I expect 11-1 or even 12-0. And that is my honest opinion. Our offense will be much improved. This will silence the hotseat crap from the media. Boom just has to make sure he recruits OL as a priority...my real one complaint early on.
Straw...your memory should be better with youth, but obviously your memory is slightly tilted towards dismissal of Muschamps abilities. Boom inherited a team in 2011 that was soft and not motivated...especially a problem with discipline. Meyer had already washed his hands clean and wanted out of the hot frying pan that SEC and UF can be.
Muschamp had to clear out some of the deadwood who didn't want to practice or attend classes. I loved the quote Boom gave in his early one on one interview that he "isn't a babysitter". The previous staff coddled too much. Boom is a no nonsense coach who does have sense of humor on the practice field...but he makes the players aware that he captains the ship.
Boom HAD to get a tougher team soon and its amazing what he did in one year from 2011 to 2012 in changing the mindset of his team and especially the defense....most recruited by Meyer and not yet fully developed. We had a bench warming RB who developed as a hard SEC runner in his r/s senior season. Remember that in 2011 we had no run game....two scatbacks barely 170 lbs. and we were unable to control leads in the second half. 2012 was like night and day from 2011...you can credit Boom for that.
2014 is now upon us and we will get our share come LOI signing day....especially with a banner year Im expecting....some will flip to us. We can start to put the hammer down soon....Boom isn't going to come out in a year or two and tell us he needs more time with family. I am looking forward to streak of great seasons.
Posted on 8/3/14 at 1:17 pm to reel_gator8
You guys are arguing with a broken record. The verse ain't changing. I'd just move on and ignore the next 43,214 posts he makes about how bad Will is and how much he wants him gone.
Posted on 8/3/14 at 3:39 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Other teams love him quite a bit
I loved him when he was at AU. He has just had some bad luck with injuries. He knows his job is on the line this year and will be a better football team all the way around.
The D is always going to be solid. Find some offense and could be a dangerous team this year. Way too much talent down there to be underachieving. Best of luck.
Posted on 8/3/14 at 6:47 pm to au21tigers
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The D is always going to be solid.
No matter who takes the reign at HC this fact will remain the same. Recruiting at that side of the football has been solid for quite some time.
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I loved him when he was at AU. He has just had some bad luck with injuries. He knows his job is on the line this year and will be a better football team all the way around.
Like I said, I think he's a good guy -- but injuries are just an excuse and granted we had a lot -- so did Georgia Southern and it didn't stop them from running an efficient game.
Good guy, hasn't been ready to be an HC. We'll see this year, though. The defense will always be stout on talent alone, all we need is a mediocre offense and we'll start winning close games.
Tall order.
Posted on 8/3/14 at 6:57 pm to reel_gator8
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Seven wins in 2014? I would hold the door open for Boom to leave. We will not be losing much folks. I expect 11-1 or even 12-0. And that is my honest opinion. Our offense will be much improved. This will silence the hotseat crap from the media. Boom just has to make sure he recruits OL as a priority...my real one complaint early on.
I would actually keep Muschamp if he got seven wins, to be completely honest.
Half of the schedule is: Alabama, FSU, LSU, South Carolina and Georgia.
That's six games right there that we shouldn't be favored in. If he keeps those close and wins one, I'd give him the nod for the next season. Of course, I want him to win 8 or 9, but I think with that schedule that might be a tall order.
Tennessee, Vandy and Missouri could still be tough games (although Mizzou will be nothing like they were last season).
I know everyone wants 8, but I'd be perfectly content with him if he got 7 in the regular season and won the bowl game to make it 8 - 5.
Win at least seven.
Lose by close margins.
Have a decent offensive showing.
Win the bowl game.
And I'd keep him.
Any of those he fails on and I'd let him go.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 9:53 am to reel_gator8
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I would hold the door open for Boom to leave. We will not be losing much folks. I expect 11-1 or even 12-0. And that is my honest opinion.
That can't possibly be your honest expectation for this season. Y'all play LSU, Georgia, South Carolina, and AT Alabama and AT FSU. Florida has too many question marks to go 4-1 againt that group, much less go undefeated.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 10:03 am to HinesvilleThrill
You can disagree with his opinion but it's his to share, no?
He's very optimistic. Wish I had his faith but the schedule is too tough.
It's not like UG, USC and LSU will be heavily favored. We've played them all close and won against 2 of the 3 with the most craptastic offenses in 30 years. They are winnable games. I have no idea about Bama but obviously they are stacked.
He's very optimistic. Wish I had his faith but the schedule is too tough.
It's not like UG, USC and LSU will be heavily favored. We've played them all close and won against 2 of the 3 with the most craptastic offenses in 30 years. They are winnable games. I have no idea about Bama but obviously they are stacked.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 10:12 am to roadGator
Of course it's his to share. I just think it's wildly optimistic. I'd say the same thing to a Georgia fan if they predicted us to go 11-1 and we have an easier schedule and less questions about the team.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 10:15 am to HinesvilleThrill
OK. 
dunno
Several of your fans here put 11-1 and 10-2. Get to sharing your opinion about their opinion.
dunno Several of your fans here put 11-1 and 10-2. Get to sharing your opinion about their opinion.
This post was edited on 8/4/14 at 10:23 am
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