re: Same as Muschamp, time for change

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Not getting a new offense during the middle of the season.

Need more QB rollouts. Franks is mobile and only look at a half of the field anyways

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Yep, that's my fear -- however...

That is on the coaches. They had to have some idea, in week one, that Franks was not going to pick up the offense quick enough to keep us in games. Similarly, when our most productive players at skill positions on offense went down, they had to start changing then.

I think it's the most damning thing about McElwain is that he doesn't retool the offense, he just throws a few different plays in there, and then hopes to God that his relatively new quarterback is going to get the system.

At Colorado State Grayson needed two years to develop but the problem is -- we don't want to hear that shite. We want results, now, and we want to see an HC who actually fricking has a grip on reality and changes to have the best results necessary.

Franks SHOULD roll out a lot.

We should also have reads. Even a hurry up -- don't even change the package in the game, keep the same players at the same places. Even if you take 25 seconds to get the play to everyone -- keep it simple.

I have just never seen them actually change, so it's going to be disheartening if they don't do it and we lose in the Swamp for a second time in a row on Saturday.

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Remember, just 2 games ago Del Rio was the QB that was going to give us stability and move the offense forward. Now we are back to a red-shirt Freshman, who I said before the season IMO wasn't ready to play. The offense is improving, now the list of injuries is again changing what options are available. As lucky as Mac has been on some things, he has been snake-bit on others. Suspensions, injuries, missed extra point, the man can't get a break. Although the missed extra point didn't cost us the game last week, I would have liked our chances with the score tied the way we were moving the ball. Bygones!

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Del Rio would have been an excellent bandaid for this season because he did get the offense. We had a lot more productivity with him on the field -- ESPECIALLY on third down. But, we just have to go back to the drawing board with Franks. Get him some easier reads and get him to up the tempo.

I don't get this love for Del Rio . The offense was better with him in the U.K. Game but it was better with Franks in the Vandy game . Frank is way more likely to start for us in the future and he gives us the deep ball . Del Rio is a good backup but a horrible starter. The only thing Del Rio has going for him is that he is a coaches soon.

Ranking wise Mac has had a worse RZ offense than WM. Lol. Touting 75% as success when we've been their 12 times HALFWAY THROUGH YHR SEASON. YOU'RE frickING PATHETIC

WM walked into a team with undersized RBs for his system, no WRs and a broken QB. Mac had more talent to work with except along the OL.

If you cant open holes or create running lanes it doesnt matter about the rest. But any rb /qb stands a chance viceversa

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The biggest indicator of a coach's succes is how the tam is looking progress wise. WM never got the offense fixed despite an elite defense he built. Mac has regress8ed the team. Not only can he not fix the offense he's turned the defense into just as big of a mess with his under recruiting along the DT spots and misses throughout the secondary. It's true this league is a LOS league, so why then have we only gotten 4 DTs in 3 years from 2016 to now? We have 6 on the roster if no one leaves including Dunlap. Most teams have 8-10.

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The defense is not a mess by any means.

The offense lost its best producers before the year started.

Name one elite offensive player McElwain had when he stepped on campus outside of Grier who got suspended the fourth game in.

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We have 6 on the roster if no one leaves including Dunlap. Most teams have 8-10.

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We had 8 before two of them got suspended.

Look, TJ, I know you have this weird jihad against McElwain -- but there are a lot of things that simply weren't his fault.

He came into a program with a losing record in the past two years and turned it into 20 wins -- all the while not having the players to do so.

You say McElwain had better players than Muschamp when he stepped on campus.

That's just not true. Brantley wasn't great, but he could manage an offense. Driskel was the best quarterback coming out of college. Brisset is playing in the NFL, he had a full line and two running backs that he mismanaged, like the rest of the entire offense.

He had a loaded offense and drove it directly into the ground by trying to incorporate his style.

This time around, McElwain's first year is fricked. No offensive line, one mediocre running back and his best receiver is a true Freshman. You can't honestly think McElwain had more players on offense.

The next year passes, we have to rely on transfers because behind Treon Harris there is literally no one. Our top QB goes down, we have to rely on our backup for the rest of the year, line is still depleted with bodies.

The third year comes, his offensive line doesn't have a single Muschamp player in it -- his players got beaten out by Freshmen.

There are no Muschamp quarterbacks, no running backs and his offensive line is McElwain's -- a patchup work of transfers and younger fellows.

His receivers got their lunch stolen by younger players, and his tight ends are the only thing left over from Muschamp's years. That's only in two short years (since we're in the third).

Two years, TJ, and there are almost no Muschamp players on the fricking field.

Do you have any idea how bad Muschamp had to be to not have a single player from his tenure contributing to the offense? The playmakers are almost all lower classmen and have looked much better than their predecesors.

The stats aren't there, but shite, how are they going to be? He's had to literally construct an offense from the ground up -- all the while convincing recruits that it was even possible to reconstruct.

After he constructs it with decent players who are upperclassmen, they get busted for fricking fraud and are off the team and our best QB gets injured -- so he has to basically retool the entire offense mid-season with nothing but freshmen who have never actually stepped on the field for a long period of time -- and further to the point.

To the big point:

They look better as true Freshmen than we've had for the entire tenure of Muschamp.

Period. You can't even argue it. They do look better.

The problem is we're still missing quarterbacks, but as I said in another post: Who wants to come play for a program who runs almost double of what they throw? Quarterback recruits don't want to come ''manage'', they want to come win games, throw downfield, etc. etc..

And McElwain had to basically tell them: Hey, it'll happen.

Wash the entire offensive side of the ball of Muschamp, rebuild it, lose his players, then rebuild it again.

He's done some seriously stupid shite in the past few games -- his decision making, especially the ''cowardly'' side of it infuriates me. I'm a Gator, I always want points, no fricking matter what. Take timeouts, let's go for a field goal.

But there's no way you can pretend that losing your quarterback three years in a row is easy.

That rebuilding an offensive line can be done in two years when we haven't done shite on offense, convincing recruits to come to a program who couldn't even win the East on down years, who was losing to FCS teams.

We finally got ourselves a 5* quarterback, and a real deal 5* with a group of guys who have coached up a quarterback (even if it took 2 years) before at CSU.

We finally got ourselves a major wide receiver who is going to KILL it with the rest of the corps coming in.

A great running back.

It might not be enough to win the Championship, but we are in a much better position than if we had stuck with Muschamp, and there are obvious things that are better.

The defense is in bad shape, but hey, what can you do? All of their depth was lost to fraud on the line and with the backers.

The CBs look insanely good for being as young as they are.

And we lost our best safety, the best defender on our team to a season ending injury.

In the end, he seems to be doing what he can with what he has, and I can't fault him for that. I haven't liked the product, but I don't think there were too many alternatives available to us after the shitshow from Muschamp who singlehandedly destroyed our team for at least the last two years and has contributed wildly this year for not recruiting behind his starters on defense.

tl;dr

Shut up TJ.

Wow nice melt TJ

There's a lot of inaccuracies in your post.

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Name one elite offensive player McElwain had when he stepped on campus outside of Grier who got suspended the fourth game in.

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Demarcus Robinson and Kelvin Taylor. D-Rob was highly underutilized the one year Mac had him. I hate Muschamp btw. Just thought I would throw that in there before you bitched me out Straws