re: Same as Muschamp, time for change

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You just tried to make Appalachain State a non-cupcake, what do you think, cupcake? Also, I'm not going to take a ban bet when you won't come back if you lose anyway. It's the Gator forum, why you're shitposting at 0330 is beyond me.

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You know me??? I will most definitely eat my crow if y'all beat us. Why you are scared to take this bet?

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You know me??? I will most definitely eat my crow if y'all beat us. Why you are scared to take this bet?

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Because it's retarded, I don't win anything. ''Hey, if I lose this duel I'll die.'' If you lose, you won't be here anyway. We're not betting anything, you frickin' mook.

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You’re happy about 12 attempts in 5 games? 9 of which were TDs.

ETA: just to compare

Team/Attempts
Bama/31
Clemson/20
Penn St/27
Washington/31
Georgia/23

ETA 2: (125 total points scored - 29 FG/XP - 18 defensive scores) / 5 games = 15.6 offensive pts/game. Yikes.

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You do realize we lost a game due to the storm right?

UGA, Michigan and Miami had the fortune to bring in popular alums as HCs. Coaches who eith had star power like Harbaugh or who have already developed relationships with kids in these areas due to coaching in the south beforehand.
Like I said, had Mac been hired coming off a natty with Bama it wouldve been more seemless. But he went away for a few years and lost what ties he had as a coordinator at Bama.

You guys sound rediculous, you say "Mac cant recruit, Mac cant recruit." Then when we say he's got two top classes lined up then its all "Well he took too long." Psst, your hate is making you sound foolish.

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Meyer was a national name. He had Utah undefeated and had a #1 overall pick from there. Mac was not nearly had hyped to be the next big thing as Urban was.

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Agree. Which is why we need to go for the hyped name next time.

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Zook coached at UF

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Zook was given a raw deal. Strong SEC, strong FSU, and Spurriers last two classes were insanely bad. He had Grossman yes, but serious depth issues lacking talent. His personality was awful though.

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Considering Zook got fired, it must've been a little bit of a problem? I don't understand why the rest of the conference being down is used as a negative on Mac. He has lost 1 game against the terrible East in 2 and a half years. Isn't that what you're supposed to do? Beat the teams you should beat?

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It's not used as a negative, more as a response to that being some massive achievement. Mac is very good at beating average and bad teams. The issue is meeting equal teams, or ones more talented. He simply loses the coaching battles more times than not. Think that's pretty hard to argue. You can't win a title if you can't out coach teams like Bama, Clemson, Ohio State, etc...or at least game plan evenly with them.

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This is my point. You leave and go across the country for 3 years and come back to a totally different recruiting world. Relationships have to be rebuilt. You're seeing the good results of those relationships being rebuilt. He's not trying to be a used car salesman. He's trying to build trust and real bonds. Which is more lasting than being a salesman.

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Insane excuse that is almost absurd. Smart was a cord, and came in and has destroyed Mac. Richt went to Miami and is already recruiting better. It took Meyer, a guy never being in the SE, one year to put together one of the greatest Gator classes of all time. This is a poor excuse, and a ridiculous one. Zook, as you claimed, five years in the NFL. Seemed he had zero issues doing it here as well. Mac's first two years(not counting first year he barely had a chance) were just bad. He still has YET TO SIGN A FIVE STAR THAT WASN'T ASSISTED BY MUSCHAMP. No excuse for that. Simply mind blowing.

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Again, you're a hypocrite. One sentence it is "Mac makes bad hires he sucks fire him!" And the next you acknowledge he made a good hire. It makes you sound stupid. And how is getting guys to commit to Florida getting "bailed out"? He recruited those guys, they believed in him, they wanted to be Gators, and they came to Florida. How can you try to say three 4 star players coming to Florida as a negative and not give the credit where it's due? I don't get it.

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Yes. Claiming he has made a good hire completely negates his terrible hires. Very logical conclusion there. The fact that Nord and the worst OC probably in FBS have jobs, kind of proves the point. Yes. Doug is that bad. No OC has done less with more than him the last four years. Not one.

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"Mac has done a good job recruiting this cycle BUT FIRE HIM ANYWAY BECAUSE WERE NOT PATIENT AROUND THESE PARTS. WE CANT ACKNOWLEDGE PROGRESS AND BUILDING A PROGRAM BECAUSE WE MUST WIN EVERY GAME NO MATTER THE CIRCUMSTANCES SO FIRE MAC" I'm sure you have an angry all caps rant coming next that's littered with skewed rankings.

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It's year three. Name one national title winning coach since Bowden that took this long to start fielding a strong football team? You can't, because there isn't one. Dabo took the longest, yet still had shown signs of greatness his second year and on the recruiting trail. Jimbo took four years, but it's because he is over rated. Year three, and still the same exact issues. Poor game management, inability to adjust the offense, poor clock management, overly complex offense and poor development and teaching of the scheme. Too many issues. Now add in one of the worst tackling teams in the nation, a basic fundamental of defense that is all on coaching. Simply put, he has not fixed the issues, and it's been long enough. Simply tired of watching inept coaching. Can you actually name a brilliantly coached game besides Ole Miss? No. But you can name close to ten where his coaching was questionable. That's an issue. A serious issue.

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How did I know? Just for the record, and I've used this analogy a couple of times and haven't gotten a straight answer. I doubt you'll give one either but it's worth a shot: In 2006, if we lose Dallas Baker and Percy Harvin, Deshaun Wynn, and Reggie Nelson, do you think we win the national championship? Do you think we improve much from Meyers 4 loss first year? Maybe circumstances are not an excuse, but a reason for the product you see on the field. You're allowed to be rational and reasonable as a fan. You don't have to be constantly negative and angry.

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Yes. We improve drastically over Meyer's first year. We don't win a title no, but no one expects a title. We expect competent coaching. Something Meyer has proven he is capable of, and Mac hasn't. It's not about winning a title this year, it's about continuously having the same issues and them not being fixed. It's been enough time. It's tiring. How can you, in year three, still not get plays in properly? This is something high school coaches do easily. Seriously. HOW CAN WE NOT GET FREAKING PLAYS IN.

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Criticizing the #7 class in the country, and a class that's still going to add a 4 star DE, a couple 4 star DTs, a couple 4 star LB, and maybe even a 4/5 star DB on top of the 3 big time 4 and 5 star OL and 4 star WRs were going to add doesn't make much sense. youd have so much more credibility in your thoughts if you would give credit when it's due. The defense has regressed this year after losing, what, 10 NFL guys in the span of 2 years? We're young this year and see the flashes of what this defense will be once we get them more experience. There's no reason to panic about the defense yet. And why do you think depth is an issue? Could it be 9 guys got themselves suspended from all team activities midway through fall camp? With that and injuries we will be playing without 22 players Mac and the staff expected us to be playing with in July. And at the end you throw in the poor coaching jab, whatever, I'm not crazy about Nuss either right now, but I think Seider and Davis have done good for the RB and OL, and I think Rumph and Bell have done great for the DL and DBs. LBs are hard to judge due to lack of depth. TEs have been non existent and Nuss has sucked at developing QBs in his time here. I would like to see Mac take over the QBs and play calling and stop trying to be a CEO of the whole program. Get the program established and running the way you want, THEN bring somebody in to call the plays for you and develop the QBs for you.

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I agree on the class and the defense falling back it was expected. The class is not some amazing thing, that should be heralded and celebrated. This is a class that is EXPECTED. Muschamp, Zook, Meyer, Spurrier all had these classes, pretty much yearly. The fact that this is now some shining light that Mac can finally recruit almost as well as them is baffling. This is an expectation in Florida. Recruiting well. It's a fair expectation. Because four straight have done it. This just shows Mac has finally caught up to the other four coaches previously holding his title, and two of them are terrible coaches. So should tell you something.

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Because it's retarded, I don't win anything. ''Hey, if I lose this duel I'll die.'' If you lose, you won't be here anyway. We're not betting anything, you frickin' mook.

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Straws is kind of a giant douche, but he's got a point. He's already taken a ban bet that took him off of all of the other boards... this is all he has left. He's not giving up a seat at the table altogether, nor should he...

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Straws is kind of a giant douche, but he's got a point. He's already taken a ban bet that took him off of all of the other boards... this is all he has left. He's not giving up a seat at the table altogether, nor should he...

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I know, I was going for the kill shot to get him off of EVERYTHING.

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We are ranked 74th in rushing right now. 3 of Muschamps 4 years were higher than that. In Macs 1st 32 games he has averaged 23.8ppg Muschamp in his first 32 games averaged 25.2ppg. Even if you put in our 2 cupcake games we lost saying we scored 45 points in each of those games Mac still averages less than 25.2ppg. 6-5 in our last 11 games. How have we improved?

As far as RB's Demps, Jones, Gillislee were pretty good.

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Davis is better than any of them as a pure running back -- he's outrushing Guice on less touches.

As for the PPG, it's no where near fair.

Muschamp comes into a team that was three years off of a championship.

Of course it's going to be fricking better, he had NFL talent all over the field.

4 years later, we have six offensive linemen on scholarship for McElwain, NO quarterback after Grier and no fricking kicker.

No kicker, no quarterback, no offensive line, Kelvin Taylor in the backfield followed by two freshmen running backs and Demarcus Robinson who pretty much got his lunch stolen by a frickin' 3* (Callaway) freshman.

First year our #1 quarterback gets caught with PEDs, next is highly mediocre Treon Harris.

Last year our #1 quarterback goes down, first year QB in the system.

This year our #1 quarterback goes down again, first year QB in the system.

You guys want him to fix an offense in two years that's been steadily destroyed for the past 5 years before he stepped on campus.

Spot freaking on with that novel you wrote

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We all understand injuries.

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Apparently not, I don't hear you guys bitching and moaning how papa Fisher and Harbaugh lose their QBs and lose to less talented teams.

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The issues are not that we don't score forty a game. Its that we look poorly coached.

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Losing your #1 QB does that, ask FSU and Michigan.

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Bad game planning, not adapting our playbook to the personnel, and poor in game coaching such as time management and slow playcalling.

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I agree with all of that -- except the bold part. Del Rio had no problem getting people set up right away -- it's a product of having a year actually playing in the system on the field.

A big problem is that they had a week to completely retool the offense when Cleveland went down. It sucks, but it's a part of football. We totally agree on the first part, they should definitely -- by this game, have a different type of offense to better suit Franks.

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These are the things indicating him being a poor head coach. I don't care about the record. I care about how we got it.

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But you can't just jump to that conclusion without a quarterback for the offense -- on defense we've done pretty well at least points wise.

If Del Rio starts the year, I think we have a much better offense. Franks was, is and will be too raw. He was never supposed to start this year. That's why we brought in Zaire, that's why he got a redshirt last year.

Corral's coming in next year, our entire defense except for the two particularly slow and bad players will be back. This year's pretty much been washed because of the suspensions.