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re: Florida's last 4 games against P5 teams with winning records
Posted on 9/27/16 at 3:05 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 9/27/16 at 3:05 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Gonna be funny when we get at least 9 wins this season.
True, which I still think we have a legitimate shot at.
I also used to hang out with some of the folks that were in on advising when to keep and let go of coaches back near the end of Muschamp's time. No one who matters is going to push for Mack to be fired even if he lost every game left this season. They are much less intemperate than the fans. They might pull the trigger after three years; 2012 kept Muschamp on by a fingernail in 2013. But it isn't happening after two.
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 3:40 pm to TJGator1215
Mac is going to be 14-5 after this weekend.
Urban was 15-4.
Mac went to Atlanta in his first year with a backup quarterback.
Stop being a fickle bitch about the state of the program because of a half of football. I hate Tennessee and I hate losing to Tennessee. But quit being so fricking whiny and relax. The sky isn't falling. The Gators are still the Gators. They're still in position to win ballgames and compete against every team we play. We could be like Georgia and getting our shite rocked by average teams like Ole Miss. Stop. Being. A. Whiny. Bitch. Trust the process and trust Mac. If we lose 4 or 5 games this year, my tone will change. But for right now, there's no reason to be the way some of you are. It's a fricking embarrassment the way some of you act
Urban was 15-4.
Mac went to Atlanta in his first year with a backup quarterback.
Stop being a fickle bitch about the state of the program because of a half of football. I hate Tennessee and I hate losing to Tennessee. But quit being so fricking whiny and relax. The sky isn't falling. The Gators are still the Gators. They're still in position to win ballgames and compete against every team we play. We could be like Georgia and getting our shite rocked by average teams like Ole Miss. Stop. Being. A. Whiny. Bitch. Trust the process and trust Mac. If we lose 4 or 5 games this year, my tone will change. But for right now, there's no reason to be the way some of you are. It's a fricking embarrassment the way some of you act
Posted on 9/27/16 at 4:04 pm to atlgator
Its not the UT game as much is it is HOW the game was lost
If we went out and hung tough and lost by 10 id be fine with it. Being up 21-3 and just rolling over and allowing them to just whip our asses the 2nd half is what has most of us pissed off. Still a 10 pt loss, but totally different at the same time.
If we went out and hung tough and lost by 10 id be fine with it. Being up 21-3 and just rolling over and allowing them to just whip our asses the 2nd half is what has most of us pissed off. Still a 10 pt loss, but totally different at the same time.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 6:05 pm to dbuchanon
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If we went out and hung tough and lost by 10 id be fine with it
We did lose by ten....
Posted on 9/27/16 at 6:07 pm to atlgator
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Mac went to Atlanta in his first year with a backup quarterback.
That's not true at all, Alt.
He went to Atlanta his first year with a slot receiver playing quarterback.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 6:59 pm to atlgator
What you guys avoid is the way those records look. Just you guys did in 2012, when you yelled 11-1! Sugar bowl! WM Coty! Yes the offense has improved marginally but the defense has been destroyed by anyone with a pulse.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 7:22 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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We did lose by ten....
Yes but there is a difference between being behind by 10 and losing a tough fought game than being up by 21-3 and getting pushed off the field and losing by 10.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 8:21 pm to dbuchanon
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Yes but there is a difference between being behind by 10 and losing a tough fought game than being up by 21-3 and getting pushed off the field and losing by 10.
Nah, man, 10 points is 10 points. I'm not gonna sit here and debate that losing by 10 is worse one way than the other way.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 10:39 pm to atlgator
Look at the wins and Losses
Meyer
Wins in first 19 games of note:
2005
#5 UT, #4 UGA, #23 FSU, #25 Iowa
Losses:
#15 Bama, #10 LSU, SCAR
2006:
Wins
#13 UT, #9 LSU, #8 Arkansas, #1 OSU
Losses:
#11 AUB.
8-4 vs top 25
WM:
2-5 vs top 25 in 1st games.
Mac
1-5 vs top 25 in 1st 19 games.
Mac needs time but he's gonna have to win a big game soon and fix his staff.
Meyer
Wins in first 19 games of note:
2005
#5 UT, #4 UGA, #23 FSU, #25 Iowa
Losses:
#15 Bama, #10 LSU, SCAR
2006:
Wins
#13 UT, #9 LSU, #8 Arkansas, #1 OSU
Losses:
#11 AUB.
8-4 vs top 25
WM:
2-5 vs top 25 in 1st games.
Mac
1-5 vs top 25 in 1st 19 games.
Mac needs time but he's gonna have to win a big game soon and fix his staff.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 11:36 pm to TJGator1215
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Mac needs time but he's gonna have to win a big game soon and fix his staff.
You're still delusional. He needs a quarterback, a MEDICORE offensive line and more than one broken as frick recruiting class because the last guy left our program in shambles.
There's nothing to judge him on right now, other than he won the motherfricking East with no kicker, quarterback, receivers or running backs.
No.
Kicker.
No quarterback.
No receivers.
No running backs.
NO OFFENSIVE LINE.
What in the frick did you expect?
Posted on 9/28/16 at 12:41 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Who was Kelvin Taylor then??
AC81 or DRob? Mcgee? Powell?
If the OL sucked he should've hired his own guy instead of summers. We've only signed 1 elite OL and only have 1 commit currently a 3* on the OL to fix this problem going on his 3rd class. His Callahan hire cost the Myers bros.
There's plenty to judge. Like when the team quit on him in the 2nd half vs UT and the MICHIGAN game. In that 1.5 games the strength of the team gave 900 yards and 79 points. The vaunted D has given up 400 yards or more and 25 points in every ranked game except OM. WMs era gave up 400 yards 9 times total. Everything is WMs fault. Mac has signed 40 3* commits in 2.5 classes so far. WM decided to play ball control up 21-3 vs UT and lay down on defense. Who signed the #6 in the SEC 2016 class after winning the east? Who's behind SCAR FSU, Michigan, UT and #7 in the SEC now? Did WM strike out on DTs last year too and get only one decent DT this year? WM has been gone almost 2 years. Quit using him as the scapegoat. The only thing Mac has improved is the offense, everything else has regressed.
AC81 or DRob? Mcgee? Powell?
If the OL sucked he should've hired his own guy instead of summers. We've only signed 1 elite OL and only have 1 commit currently a 3* on the OL to fix this problem going on his 3rd class. His Callahan hire cost the Myers bros.
There's plenty to judge. Like when the team quit on him in the 2nd half vs UT and the MICHIGAN game. In that 1.5 games the strength of the team gave 900 yards and 79 points. The vaunted D has given up 400 yards or more and 25 points in every ranked game except OM. WMs era gave up 400 yards 9 times total. Everything is WMs fault. Mac has signed 40 3* commits in 2.5 classes so far. WM decided to play ball control up 21-3 vs UT and lay down on defense. Who signed the #6 in the SEC 2016 class after winning the east? Who's behind SCAR FSU, Michigan, UT and #7 in the SEC now? Did WM strike out on DTs last year too and get only one decent DT this year? WM has been gone almost 2 years. Quit using him as the scapegoat. The only thing Mac has improved is the offense, everything else has regressed.
This post was edited on 9/28/16 at 12:45 am
Posted on 9/28/16 at 1:39 am to TJGator1215
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Who was Kelvin Taylor then??
An average running back.
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AC81 or DRob? Mcgee? Powell?
Average players. DRob had 2 touchdowns.
McGee was maybe the only real skill player we had, and it was marginal because we had no fricking Oline or Quarterback after Grier.
I know you're really good at playing football on your Xbox, but you're crazy if you think you come in, plug in a new quarterback and actually get things done.
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If the OL sucked he should've hired his own guy instead of summers. We've only signed 1 elite OL and only have 1 commit currently a 3* on the OL to fix this problem going on his 3rd class. His Callahan hire cost the Myers bros.
He had 20 Linemen last year, two were seniors (one had never played) and one was a junior. That means seventeen other kids were freshmen or sophomores. No one can do well with that.
No one.
Muschamp left us in a hole deeper than we had known, and Mac won us the East his first year with an entirely gutted offense. He's literally building it up from the ground.
Outside of McGee, we have average players at every level of the offense. Not good, just average, and the dude who just walked into the university is not the dude we have to blame.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 6:25 am to TJGator1215
We keep saying he went 9-0 against teams with our starting QB. The overall record of those 9 teams was 42-44 with only 2 of those teams with a winning records. If you take away ole miss and Tenn the record is 23-37.Out of the 6 wins with Grier last year only two of the teams we played finished with more than 5 wins.
Our wins without our starting QB were against teams with an overall record of 20-29 with only one team with a winning record. If you took Ga out they are 10-26.
All our loses have come against teams with winning records at years end. Since Mac was hired he is 13-5 with only 3 of his wins against teams with winning records.
We are beating teams that Florida should beat even with our 2nd string QB.
That is really my concern I am not ready to give up on Mac it is too early but I don't look at his wins with his starting QB as anything to get excited about yet. All but 2 of those wins came against teams that were down right miserable. And we had to scratch by with wins vs Vandy and FAU at home.
I haven't forgotten the way we finished last year. Many of us were pissed at how we played after we locked up the East. We said our team had no fight no leader. Mac said they were playing like dead fish. This year we start 3-0 our players run their mouths and then we play like dead fish again in the second half against Tenn. Mac in the post game presser talks about what the players will learn from this what about the coaching staff learning something from it as well. The blame can go all the way around but the coaches are not without sin.
Our wins without our starting QB were against teams with an overall record of 20-29 with only one team with a winning record. If you took Ga out they are 10-26.
All our loses have come against teams with winning records at years end. Since Mac was hired he is 13-5 with only 3 of his wins against teams with winning records.
We are beating teams that Florida should beat even with our 2nd string QB.
That is really my concern I am not ready to give up on Mac it is too early but I don't look at his wins with his starting QB as anything to get excited about yet. All but 2 of those wins came against teams that were down right miserable. And we had to scratch by with wins vs Vandy and FAU at home.
I haven't forgotten the way we finished last year. Many of us were pissed at how we played after we locked up the East. We said our team had no fight no leader. Mac said they were playing like dead fish. This year we start 3-0 our players run their mouths and then we play like dead fish again in the second half against Tenn. Mac in the post game presser talks about what the players will learn from this what about the coaching staff learning something from it as well. The blame can go all the way around but the coaches are not without sin.
This post was edited on 9/28/16 at 6:27 am
Posted on 9/28/16 at 8:00 am to TJGator1215
OK your list is bull shite.
UT ended the season 5-6 in 2005.
His best win was against #10 UGA - who played that game without their starting QB because he was injured. UF lucked the frick out on that one.
LSU and Alabama were two losses against top 10 teams on the road - the Alabama loss was a massacre.
South Carolina was an unranked team. UF blew their shot at Atlanta in year 1 of Meyer losing that game. Epic Choke job after lucking out and playing UGA's back up QB.
Iowa ended the season unranked, and the only other ranked team other than UGA that UF beat in 2005 was FSU who ended up #23 in the final AP poll.
2006 was obviously a very impressive year - but look at the 2006 team he inherited - Meyer had Chris Leak - UF's all time leading passer, one of the best all around WR corp in UF history in Baker, Caldwell, Cornelius and Ingram, and a very sturdy OL, with a bunch of guys that would go one to be all SEC. Not to mention a salty defense.
Comparing the team Mac inherited to any of those teams is just silly.
UT ended the season 5-6 in 2005.
His best win was against #10 UGA - who played that game without their starting QB because he was injured. UF lucked the frick out on that one.
LSU and Alabama were two losses against top 10 teams on the road - the Alabama loss was a massacre.
South Carolina was an unranked team. UF blew their shot at Atlanta in year 1 of Meyer losing that game. Epic Choke job after lucking out and playing UGA's back up QB.
Iowa ended the season unranked, and the only other ranked team other than UGA that UF beat in 2005 was FSU who ended up #23 in the final AP poll.
2006 was obviously a very impressive year - but look at the 2006 team he inherited - Meyer had Chris Leak - UF's all time leading passer, one of the best all around WR corp in UF history in Baker, Caldwell, Cornelius and Ingram, and a very sturdy OL, with a bunch of guys that would go one to be all SEC. Not to mention a salty defense.
Comparing the team Mac inherited to any of those teams is just silly.
This post was edited on 9/28/16 at 8:01 am
Posted on 9/28/16 at 8:15 am to gatorbait_007
I'm pissed about how we lost the Tennessee game too. We had it won and blew it. It's on the coaches, and it's on the players.
I don't give a shite about the Michigan game last year. We had nobody that wanted to play in that game. Nobody. Nobody wanted to watch and nobody wanted to play. It meant nothing.
You can spin it all you want, but the fact is Mac is 9-0 with his starting quarterback.
Mac is 10-0 against teams with a losing record. We're not losing to bad teams.
That is a low bar and it needs to be higher, and it will get higher the longer Mac is here, but for now he has us competing and, as you saw our potential in the first half, playing well against quality opponents. Some of you need to realize that losing games sucks, but the answer to losing games is not "FIRE THE COACH", it's about improving from the loss, moving on, and seeing them get better from it. The 2006 team got better and better after losing to Auburn. The 2008 team damn sure got better.
And to whoever it was that complained about Macs recruiting:
He had two months after he was hired to salvage a recruiting class. When he took over the class was ranked 107th in the country. We signed two five stars on signing day, two 4 star running backs, and finished the class ranked 25th. That's incredible. And that's Will Muschamps fault that the class was so bad when Mac took over.
Last year, we finished with the #12 recruiting class, but we signed quality offensive linemen, we signed the #1 kicker in the country, the #1 JUCO RB, the #2 WR (and 3 more 4 star WR's, the #1 DE, and the #3 QB. We filled needs.
Right now, our biggest need is DB. We have four DBs committed that are ranked four stars, with two more on the verge of flipping to the good guys or committing to us. We have several offensive linemen looking at us that we're leading for or in the top 2 for. Mac's recruiting problems are a myth. And anybody concerned about our current class right now doesn't get how recruiting works.
So I'll say it again TJ. Stop. Being. A. Whiny. arse. Bitch. It's. Going. To. Be. Okay. Mac is a good X's and O's guy. The team didn't quit, they got their arse beat. It happens. Let's move on now.
I don't give a shite about the Michigan game last year. We had nobody that wanted to play in that game. Nobody. Nobody wanted to watch and nobody wanted to play. It meant nothing.
You can spin it all you want, but the fact is Mac is 9-0 with his starting quarterback.
Mac is 10-0 against teams with a losing record. We're not losing to bad teams.
That is a low bar and it needs to be higher, and it will get higher the longer Mac is here, but for now he has us competing and, as you saw our potential in the first half, playing well against quality opponents. Some of you need to realize that losing games sucks, but the answer to losing games is not "FIRE THE COACH", it's about improving from the loss, moving on, and seeing them get better from it. The 2006 team got better and better after losing to Auburn. The 2008 team damn sure got better.
And to whoever it was that complained about Macs recruiting:
He had two months after he was hired to salvage a recruiting class. When he took over the class was ranked 107th in the country. We signed two five stars on signing day, two 4 star running backs, and finished the class ranked 25th. That's incredible. And that's Will Muschamps fault that the class was so bad when Mac took over.
Last year, we finished with the #12 recruiting class, but we signed quality offensive linemen, we signed the #1 kicker in the country, the #1 JUCO RB, the #2 WR (and 3 more 4 star WR's, the #1 DE, and the #3 QB. We filled needs.
Right now, our biggest need is DB. We have four DBs committed that are ranked four stars, with two more on the verge of flipping to the good guys or committing to us. We have several offensive linemen looking at us that we're leading for or in the top 2 for. Mac's recruiting problems are a myth. And anybody concerned about our current class right now doesn't get how recruiting works.
So I'll say it again TJ. Stop. Being. A. Whiny. arse. Bitch. It's. Going. To. Be. Okay. Mac is a good X's and O's guy. The team didn't quit, they got their arse beat. It happens. Let's move on now.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:57 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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You're still delusional. He needs a quarterback, a MEDICORE offensive line and more than one broken as frick recruiting class because the last guy left our program in shambles.
There's nothing to judge him on right now, other than he won the motherfricking East with no kicker, quarterback, receivers or running backs.
No.
Kicker.
No quarterback.
No receivers.
No running backs.
NO OFFENSIVE LINE.
What in the frick did you expect?
I think he's been decent but by no means outstanding, I mean unless he wins 10 again this year I can't see him getting an extension at the end of the season-- especially given his subpar recruiting.
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