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re: Florida's last 4 games against P5 teams with winning records
Posted on 9/25/16 at 2:00 pm to dbuchanon
Posted on 9/25/16 at 2:00 pm to dbuchanon
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Defense is largely based on the talent you have. On offense you can scheme ways to manufacture yards via dbl team blocks, misdirection ect. Defense is pretty much the jimmys and joe's.
this doesn't bode well for Mac given where the bulk of his failures in recruiting have come.
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Posted on 9/25/16 at 3:51 pm to boXerrumble
We lose a lot on defense for next year to be our year. Unless we find a OL before next season it will be a long year.
Posted on 9/25/16 at 4:24 pm to tjv305
quote:how old are you?
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Posted on 9/25/16 at 7:06 pm to slayerxing
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I have my doubts about this staff - I've had them since last year, and games like this don't do anything to make me more confident.
When have you ever seen a competent coaching staff give up 38 unanswered points??? I'm totally convinced that Mc is not the coach for this team. I knew it with Champ and I see it with him. He is horrible at making adjustments and every thing is just handy dandy with him no matter the situation.
What shocked me last year was his insistence on continuing to play Treon and our place kicker. The 2 worst players at those positions possibly in Gator history. How do you keep putting them in the game when they kep screwing up seemingly on purpose? You have to put anyone else in there out of love for the players.
This guy is losing in recruiting and not doing anything inventive on the field. The incoming AD needs to have Herman on speed dial and get him over LSU and all the other teams looking for coaches in the next few months.
Muschamp did nothing to convince me he could coach guys up. No one got better under him. Guys left and got better in the NFL. That's an indictment on coaching. I'm seeing the same thing with butter teeth. Time for change.
Posted on 9/25/16 at 7:12 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
So Spurrier had 28 point lead going into the 4th qt against the girls school and gave up 28 unanswered points...so I guess he wasnt the right coach either...?? kindly jump on some other teams band wagon...you obviously dont know Gator history pal.
Posted on 9/25/16 at 8:00 pm to reel_gator8
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So Spurrier had 28 point lead going into the 4th qt against the girls school and gave up 28 unanswered points...so I guess he wasnt the right coach either...?? kindly jump on some other teams band wagon...you obviously dont know Gator history pal.
Reading obviously isn't your strong suit Mr Sunshine Pumper. I said 38 unanswered points and you give me 28??? I've seen several good coaches give up 28 point leads. That can happen in a quarter with a few 3 and outs and turnovers which happened in that game. Hell Bowden gave up 28 straight when we re matched them. Also note that we didn't lose that game either and SOS never forgot about that game and made damn sure he never took his foot off the gas pedal from then on. He made sure to run up the score if given the chance.
Go pump sunshine somewhere else. You need to jump on another bandwagon. You have such low expectations about our program. You could care less that we've not been real competitive since Tebow. Your blind homerism prevents you from being impartial. You don't even realize that you are a bad fan.
Posted on 9/25/16 at 8:21 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
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Go pump sunshine somewhere else. You need to jump on another bandwagon. You have such low expectations about our program. You could care less that we've not been real competitive since Tebow. Your blind homerism prevents you from being impartial. You don't even realize that you are a bad fan.
Posted on 9/25/16 at 10:16 pm to finchmeister08
Im laughing my azz off and I will defend coaches against idiots who want coaching changes or hint at it after a loss...gimme a break. That was 28 unanswered points in one quarter and I sure didnt want Spurrier gone.
Wait til 3rd year at least and get back with me, if we go 11-1 this year you will look like the idiot you are and so kindly pound salt. The creeps come out of the woodwork after a loss.
Wait til 3rd year at least and get back with me, if we go 11-1 this year you will look like the idiot you are and so kindly pound salt. The creeps come out of the woodwork after a loss.
Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:19 pm to reel_gator8
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if we go 11-1 this year you will look like the idiot you are and so kindly pound salt.
Of course you defend coaches. You defended Muschump to the bitter end even after Stevie Wonder could see he sucked monkey nuts. You defended that loser while he destroyed our football team. You're doing the same thing now. Look at the title of this thread. Do you really accept UF getting beat down by every P5 team with a pulse? Is your level of suck that big?
You are very delusional if you really think this team is going 11-1. You might want to step away from the keyboard and take a breath air of reality because you sound like a sociopath. Thanks for the laugh.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 12:05 am to GatorNation4Lyfe
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UF getting beat down by every P5 team with a pulse? Is your level of suck that big?
Eh that's kind of unfair. I hate Muschamp, and I'm quick to call out coaches but consider we didn't have:
An offensive line.
A quarterback after Grier.
A fricking kicker FFS.
A real running back.
We didn't have any of it on offense. We maybe had two playmakers who were receivers, but they weren't even really playmakers like other teams.
Florida was in huge trouble last year, and it's unfair to judge Mac at the end of next year, and for the first loss this year.
If we had an older team, we'd've been just fine. We Appleby got his first start with us, there isn't a single offensive line player who won't be back next year and we have four running backs with limited experience.
We need one more year, and anyone who was objective knew that.
To sum it up: It's so fricking unfair to judge the coaches on the play of Treon Harris and our backup on the road at Tennessee.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 1:16 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
^ Bill Belichick says hello...
You can't be successful at winning by making excuses. Urban Meyer had QB after QB fall and still won a title. Next man up. McElwain brings zero excitement to this program. He's a Gomer Pyle. He's not building a following. He's not someone recruits get excited about. He's not recruiting worth a damn here, which is almost impossible to do at Florida. Look at Jim Harbaugh for comparison. He is running circles around this guy. He took a broke team and has turned them completely around. Champ could at least recruit one side of the ball. This guy is another bad hire.
You can't be successful at winning by making excuses. Urban Meyer had QB after QB fall and still won a title. Next man up. McElwain brings zero excitement to this program. He's a Gomer Pyle. He's not building a following. He's not someone recruits get excited about. He's not recruiting worth a damn here, which is almost impossible to do at Florida. Look at Jim Harbaugh for comparison. He is running circles around this guy. He took a broke team and has turned them completely around. Champ could at least recruit one side of the ball. This guy is another bad hire.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 6:13 am to GatorNation4Lyfe
I've thought about this some - in year 3 of Meyer, with a good OL and a heisman QB - Florida still lost 4 games, including embarrassing performances against our main rival UGA where we gave up 42 points, and a 41 point offensive destruction by Michigan.
Even good coaches can have bad days.
Even good coaches can have bad days.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 6:33 am to slayerxing
Slayer...you are referring to 2007 year when we had lost all but 2 starters off the defense in 2006, a BCS NC team...while we did have offense...our defense was bad because of inexperience. Tebow put the team on his shoulder and won a Heisman for his efforts as a soph.
BTW that 2006 team had an all world defense (thanks to the Zook recruiting) but still lost to AU on the road that year..an unranked AU team BTW and we still won a NC so idiots that spout off are going to hear it from me with both barrels.
Could we be another 2006 team? Hell yeah with our defense, just look how dominate we were in the first half and the three previous games....this loss will be a wake up call. I predicted 11-1 after spring game and Im sticking to it.
We had some of the worse starting field position in a game that Ive seen in ages...its very difficult to start drives deep inside your own 15 yd line every time. My real concern is special teams coaching and I saw Mac talking to him several times. Trust me...there will be a real emphasis on returns this week. We should have a DB field punts or kickoffs imo.
BTW that 2006 team had an all world defense (thanks to the Zook recruiting) but still lost to AU on the road that year..an unranked AU team BTW and we still won a NC so idiots that spout off are going to hear it from me with both barrels.
Could we be another 2006 team? Hell yeah with our defense, just look how dominate we were in the first half and the three previous games....this loss will be a wake up call. I predicted 11-1 after spring game and Im sticking to it.
We had some of the worse starting field position in a game that Ive seen in ages...its very difficult to start drives deep inside your own 15 yd line every time. My real concern is special teams coaching and I saw Mac talking to him several times. Trust me...there will be a real emphasis on returns this week. We should have a DB field punts or kickoffs imo.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 7:01 am to reel_gator8
Our average FP was almost the same in both halves. We Scored 2 TDs in the 1st half starting inside our 20. That D is not elite. It gave up. 200 yards passing and 4 TDs to Josh fricking Dobbs in the 2nd half. The 12th ranked passer in the SEC. We got outcoached and outplayed by fricking Butch Jones. The guy WM went 3-0 against. Mac got scared and we got our shite kicked in. This team takes on the identity of Mac and it has showed. He has zero fire or passion. Zero KILLER mentality. He refuses to or doesn't know how to adapt.
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Posted on 9/26/16 at 8:21 am to reel_gator8
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Wait til 3rd year at least and get back with me
you just don't know how obliterated we're going to get when we play michigan next year do you?
Posted on 9/26/16 at 8:36 am to slayerxing
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I've thought about this some - in year 3 of Meyer, with a good OL and a heisman QB - Florida still lost 4 games, including embarrassing performances against our main rival UGA where we gave up 42 points, and a 41 point offensive destruction by Michigan.
Are you kidding me? We just won a damn title. We lost basically our entire starting defense (9 starters) and offense (8) and your trying to complain about losing 4 games? Everyone knew the team was young and would have growing pains. Everyone knew the defense would have tremendous struggles. Urban Meyer was kicking arse in recruiting. Our future could not be brighter.
Our 4 losses were to #1, #2, #14 and #18...
#14 Auburn We lost 20-17, in a close game.
#1 LSU that won the national title 28-24 in a close game
#2 UGA 11 - 2, beat us 42-30 where Richt had to rush the field to get his guys hyped up. That was not an embarrassing performance going up against Matt Stafford and Knowshon Moreno,
#18 Michigan 41-35 in Lloyd Carr's final game. A Michigan team that had talent all over the roster but under performed (which was why Carr got canned). Think Ron Zook beating FSU
We beat a Kentucky team that beat #1 LSU, beat the hell out of #12 Tennessee and FSU.
Which one of these losses were embarrassing? You can't tell a team that is young coming off a national title? You can't tell a program on the way up? You couldn't tell Meyer was putting together another championship team? My God, you guys are simpletons? You can't tell the difference between what Meyer was doing and what butterteeth is doing now? It's fukkin night and day.
ALL our rivals are beating us in recruiting. Georgia with a new staff, LSU who just fired their coach, Bama, FSU, Miami has generated more excitement than us. Tennessee is out recruiting us WTF? Clemson, Michigan, Texas A&M. We are in the most advantageous location on the planet. One of the best schools in the country and we're letting Notre Dame and Oklahoma out recruit us out in bum fuk Egypt?
Gomer Pyle isn't moving the needle in these recruits. He's too passive and sullen. This guy is shaping up to be our worst recruiter in the last 35 years. What makes any of you think 2017 is going to be "Our Year"? How long do you think we're going to get buy on a decade ago? These young kids don't look at Florida as an elite program anymore.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:09 am to GatorNation4Lyfe
Whoa - Take a chill pill.
The last 4 losses against P5 times have all come against highly ranked teams.
It's not like UF is losing to weak teams right now.
The next 3 weeks will tell us a lot - UF should win all 3 if the coaches know what they are doing.
I'm not a sunshine pumper, and I don't say this lightly, but you need to step off the ledge.
Not everyone can be a future HOF coach. Meyer is literally one of the best all time, and even he has had some bad losses - is all I'm saying. Same with Spurrier.
At kick off against UGA in 2007 - UGA was #20, they were 5-2, and no one thought they were all that good. They had just gotten stomped by a mediocre UT team, and barely slipped past a 5-win Vanderbilt 20-17 before the bye.
At the time - the loss left UF at 5-3, and a lot of people were wondering if Meyer was going to be able to win long term without Zook's recruits.
I agree the recruiting is an issue, and I have said that all off season, and I worry about him long term - I really think last year may have been a flash in the pan - but it's too early to call still.
But there the next 3 games are all winnable, and UT who just beat us has to play UGA, TAMU, and Alabama all in a row while we get Vandy, a reeling LSU team, and Mizzou. UF could very well be in control of the SEC east 3 weeks from now, so just chill.
The last 4 losses against P5 times have all come against highly ranked teams.
It's not like UF is losing to weak teams right now.
The next 3 weeks will tell us a lot - UF should win all 3 if the coaches know what they are doing.
I'm not a sunshine pumper, and I don't say this lightly, but you need to step off the ledge.
Not everyone can be a future HOF coach. Meyer is literally one of the best all time, and even he has had some bad losses - is all I'm saying. Same with Spurrier.
At kick off against UGA in 2007 - UGA was #20, they were 5-2, and no one thought they were all that good. They had just gotten stomped by a mediocre UT team, and barely slipped past a 5-win Vanderbilt 20-17 before the bye.
At the time - the loss left UF at 5-3, and a lot of people were wondering if Meyer was going to be able to win long term without Zook's recruits.
I agree the recruiting is an issue, and I have said that all off season, and I worry about him long term - I really think last year may have been a flash in the pan - but it's too early to call still.
But there the next 3 games are all winnable, and UT who just beat us has to play UGA, TAMU, and Alabama all in a row while we get Vandy, a reeling LSU team, and Mizzou. UF could very well be in control of the SEC east 3 weeks from now, so just chill.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:15 am to slayerxing
^ I'm very chilled. Football is just an aversion. Life will go on but we all want the best for our program. To not want the best is to settle. To be satisfied with a poor product on the field should never be acceptable.
Who questioned Meyer in 2007 after winning a title in 2006??? Only idiot opposing fans that wanted to think that we got lucky in 2006 from my recollection. Anyone in football knew 2007 was going to be a tough season especially for our defense losing so many players. Most rational people knew we would be national title favorites in 2008. Can we say the same thing about any of our teams in the last decade? Does anyone in the know really expect UF to be a title contender? Anyone thought that under Muschamp? We are an afterthought in the national media.
McElwain is a bad hire. Foley has been reaching for guys that are unproven with Muschamp and now Mc. This is his record thus far...
22-16 at Colorado State
13-5 at UF
35-21
Now look at Urban Meyer. Do you notice a difference? Meyer was a consistent winner before he got to UF and after he left.
17-6 BG
22-2 Utah
65-15 UF
53-4 OSU
157-27
UF football head coach use to be the best job in the country. Foley has turned it into experimental grounds for guys not qualified.
The worst of it all is that the SECe is the worst it has ever been this last decade. We have been very fortunate playing awful teams the last few years. If we were in the West, we would be lucky to be a 0.500 team the last few years. Even our common opponent in LSU has been a dumpster fire and we still can't take care of business.
Sure UT may most likely lose to TAM and Bama and we're right back in the discussion to win the East. Does that change the fact that we really aren't that good of a team? I don't get hung up on record. I look at progress. Our team got worst as the season progressed last year under Mc just like it did most years under Muschamp. I'm hopefully optimistic that it changes this year but nothing tells me that it will.
Who questioned Meyer in 2007 after winning a title in 2006??? Only idiot opposing fans that wanted to think that we got lucky in 2006 from my recollection. Anyone in football knew 2007 was going to be a tough season especially for our defense losing so many players. Most rational people knew we would be national title favorites in 2008. Can we say the same thing about any of our teams in the last decade? Does anyone in the know really expect UF to be a title contender? Anyone thought that under Muschamp? We are an afterthought in the national media.
McElwain is a bad hire. Foley has been reaching for guys that are unproven with Muschamp and now Mc. This is his record thus far...
22-16 at Colorado State
13-5 at UF
35-21
Now look at Urban Meyer. Do you notice a difference? Meyer was a consistent winner before he got to UF and after he left.
17-6 BG
22-2 Utah
65-15 UF
53-4 OSU
157-27
UF football head coach use to be the best job in the country. Foley has turned it into experimental grounds for guys not qualified.
The worst of it all is that the SECe is the worst it has ever been this last decade. We have been very fortunate playing awful teams the last few years. If we were in the West, we would be lucky to be a 0.500 team the last few years. Even our common opponent in LSU has been a dumpster fire and we still can't take care of business.
Sure UT may most likely lose to TAM and Bama and we're right back in the discussion to win the East. Does that change the fact that we really aren't that good of a team? I don't get hung up on record. I look at progress. Our team got worst as the season progressed last year under Mc just like it did most years under Muschamp. I'm hopefully optimistic that it changes this year but nothing tells me that it will.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:20 am to finchmeister08
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you just don't know how obliterated we're going to get when we play michigan next year do you?
Absolutely...
Here's a question for all the McElwain believers. Who in their right mind would take McElwain over Harbaugh? What recruit would want to play for McElwain over Harbaugh? Where would you rank McElwain as a HC in the SEC? This guy is 3rd tier...
Posted on 9/26/16 at 1:14 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
I think everyone is being too hard on Mac right now. In his first 18 games, Urban Meyer was 15-3. Mac is 13-5, and he came in to a much worse situation.
We'll see what the comparison is at the end of the year, but looking at the schedule, things look favorable for UF: (projecting out)
@ Vandy (2-2) - UF should win
vs. LSU (3-2 or 2-3) - team in turmoil, UF gets that at home, UF really should win
vs. Mizzou (3-2, or 2-3) - coming in after a buy, UF really needs to win this game at home
If Mac is the coach for Florida's future, UF will be 6-1 at the end of week 7 looking at this schedule.
If that is the case, his record will be 16-5 through 21 games, which would be almost identical to Meyer's 17-4, and how good/bad the season can be will be determined by how UF does against UGA and Arkansas in back to back weeks after the bye.
We'll see what the comparison is at the end of the year, but looking at the schedule, things look favorable for UF: (projecting out)
@ Vandy (2-2) - UF should win
vs. LSU (3-2 or 2-3) - team in turmoil, UF gets that at home, UF really should win
vs. Mizzou (3-2, or 2-3) - coming in after a buy, UF really needs to win this game at home
If Mac is the coach for Florida's future, UF will be 6-1 at the end of week 7 looking at this schedule.
If that is the case, his record will be 16-5 through 21 games, which would be almost identical to Meyer's 17-4, and how good/bad the season can be will be determined by how UF does against UGA and Arkansas in back to back weeks after the bye.
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