re: Final 5 games

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I hope it happens just for the melt that would happen in here lol

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At least one Negagator won't be melting because he has agreed to a ban if we beat the clown college. Right TJ?
Any other Negagators want to join the friendly bet? Just a ban for a year on the Gator board.

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QB problems that I thought we over.

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This one is on Mac and Nuss. They have had Franks on campus for 2 springs and 2 fall camps. They named him the starter.

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Mac gets an extension at the end of the year,

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Unless he comes back and wins the East and a good bowl game HELL NO on the extension.

Stop deflecting. Answer the question

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Highly doubtful. He just received an extension last season.

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It's not unusual to give extensions in consecutive years to show support for the coach and stability in the future of the program.

You and Straw are totally full of shite.

Literally everything I say, there is another excuse.

Fine, here is some substance, assholes.

Kirby Smart was hired on December 6, 2015, 2 days later in the season than McElwain the year before, who was hired on December 4, 2014. Both had late starts in recruiting.

Even with that late start, Kirby Smart in his first few months as a head coach put together a Top 6 recruiting class, with 14 players at 4 star or higher, and 3 five star. Now yes, he walked in and some of these guys were already committed. But he held it together. Big time.

McElwain, on the other hand, in his 2nd season, landed the #12 ranked class, with only 9 players ranked composite 4 star or higher. So even coming in with an incredibly short window, Kirby out-recruited McElwain.

Now, McElwain whips Georgia on the field, so we say, OK, not a big deal.

2017 recruiting class - Georgia 20 4 star or higher, 2 5 star, vs. Florida only getting 11. No five stars again. Hmmm.... OK, Kirby is just a better recruiter I guess, but let's see how he does on the field...

Georgia 2016 stats:
Total O: 384.7
Total D: 327.5

Georgia 2017 stats:
Total O: 454.3
Total D: 252.6

What I see here is HUGE improvement on offense and defense from year 1 to year 2 for Kirby. And he is doing this WITHOUT HIS STARTING QB - WHO WAS INJURED EARLY. You like to point this out as an excuse for Florida, so there it is for Kirby. Difference is, he has a 5 star QB to absorb the blow, and UF DOES NOT.

Now look at Florida between year 1, year 2, and year 3, which should give them a huge edge over Georgia because of extra time in the system.

Florida 2015 stats:
Total O: 334.0
Total D: 310.2

Florida 2016 stats:
Total O: 344.0
Total D: 293.0

Florida 2017 stats:
Total O: 351.2
Total D: 354.8

Check that out... Florida has not improved much on offense and the defense has declined tremendously in 3 years.

Bottom line, this is what you expect to see in a championship coach. They come in, change the culture, and see appreciable improvement in year 2. Kirby came in to a lot of talent, sure, similar to Meyer with Zook, but he had a shite OL, a TRUE FRESMAN QB, and a bunch of players that had done nothing but be mediocre for a bunch of years. Now in year 2, he ONCE AGAIN has a true freshman QB, but that guy has thrown 12 TD in 7 games, while UF has only thrown 4 as a team... Wait a minute... which coach is supposed to be the offensive guru again?

Mac also had a lot of talent when he got here. 15 players drafted in 2 years vs. only 6 at Georgia. Most on defense, and that is exactly why Mac was able to ride the defense to SEC east titles in year 1 and year 2. He had talent, and he scraped by. With appreciably less talent on the roster, a little bit of bad luck with suspensions and injuries has SUNK THE PROGRAM.

Now, despite ALL OF THIS, Mac has a chance this weekend to right the ship. A win against UGA means they would have to win out to win the division, which isn't a guarantee. I doubt Mac can pull it off, considering the trajectory of both teams, but it's worth noting that he still has a chance.

Is that enough fricking substance assholes?

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slayerxing

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Negagator?

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i think mac will still have 3 or 4 years on his contract after this year. no need for an extension.

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I agree with this, depending on how the season turns out. He would have to win 8 games and a bowl game for me to favor an extension, if not, like you said, he still has 3 or 4 years left on his contract.

Georgia had recruited well on paper, similar to Florida under Muschamp. But the classes were uneven, again, like Muschamp, and they had huge issues at WR and on the OL.

Georgia in year two has overcome that, and their recruiting has improved even beyond what it used to be, while meanwhile, Florida's has regressed. It may improve in 2018 and 2019, but it is still too early to tell. Will those classes hold together if Florida goes 5-6 or 4-7 or something? Conversely, maybe they will be huge if UF goes 8-3, who knows? The point is it's too early to count 2018 or 2019 as Mac being a good recruiter.

Mac took over at Florida with literally one of the most talented defenses in the team's history. And he road that to two SEC titles, which you would expect with that much talent, and with the rest of the division in disarray.

Here's the problem, in year 3, it should be mostly McElwain players carrying the show. And it is, but they aren't carrying the water very well. Maybe this is just a dip before a big turnaround in year 4, but all of the data up until this point doesn't really support that.

And to your comment about talent on the roster - walking in to a team with Chubb and Michel is great. Just like UF had Jarrad Davis, Jalen Tabor, Quincy Wilson, Vernon Hargreaves, Bullard, etc. It makes life easier for a coach, sure, but at what point do we talk about player development? Kirby seems to be doing a good job of that there. They also seem to be smart and ride their best players - I wish UF would learn to do that more.

EDIT - also it's on McElwain that we don't have a 5 star QB because he hasn't recruited one. Kirby has recruited 2 in 2 years.

Maybe Mac should ask him how to do that, and then ask how to get him to throw 12 TD in 7 games vs 3 TD in 6 games.

I will chime in and add something about recruiting. It is easier to recruit without a large instate rival (the girls school) and a mid tier instate rival (miamuh) to contend with and no, Ga Tech isn't even on the map. Tech has a really high academic admission standard that most SEC teams don't have not named Vanderbilt.

On recruiting, there isn't much to debate. The last few years were substandard for UF. Mac talked about the need to improve recruiting the last couple of years. He went out last year and hired better recruiters. I give Mac credit in this area, he saw it was a weakness and he addressed it. But recruiting wasn't it where it should have been the last couple of years, not sure how it could be argued otherwise.