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2017 Revisited

Posted on 12/3/16 at 9:08 pm
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 9:08 pm
Ok...Im not quite as bad off as I was an hour ago, not the losing part...hell, Bama has the # 1 defense in the country and we are right there with them...but of course we are not full strength and I dont ever wanna use injuries as an excuse...so let me use it as a POSITIVE.

Because of the massive amount of injuries...we have been forced to play backups and that bodes well for 2017.
On offense we had to use 3rd string center, a true frosh. We also had to play Harkless as a guard/tackle.

On defense the list is longer we just played Bama without so many starters...CeCe Jefferson, Bryan Cox, Sherit at DE...we did have to give more snaps to Bryan (Im glad he committed that PF, fricking Bama azzs hold on every play)Polite, Davis, Zuniga. LBers of course Reese, Joseph, K. Johnson had to play a lot. DBs Washington and Dawson + Maye gave opportunities for Gardner & Marcell Harris to play.

We have a solid nucleus back in 2017 with upperclassmen on the OL, RB, DL + talented underclassmen sprinkled in with upperclassmen at DB and possibly LB if Anzalone returns. Caleb Brantley is a junior and not a lock to leave.

QB is not empty either and we have frosh redshirted and a soon to be junior in Del Rio and possible sr transfer.

I see improvement...the coaches had us ready and we showed Bama we came to play early on...but the officials were horrendous....no other way to put it. It helped keep us from expanding our momentum early on.

Its not all Applebys fault either....he and WR may have not been on same page for 1 pick and the other two were probably him getting too much pressure. Hurts couldnt do shite against us until the refs continually didnt call holding...after a while the defense is tired and the short fields added to that. When it was 16-9 it was still a game...but Bama KNEW we had to throw..running just wouldnt work and then its easy to bring pressure and pick off passes. The blocked punt was the killer.
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
35588 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 9:12 pm to
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if Anzalone returns.

I thought he was a senior?
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
52279 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 9:16 pm to
No hes a RS Junior.
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 9:16 pm to
No...he is a junior and really not high draft material...has only played 1 year of football...if you add up everything. He has been injury prone since arriving.
Posted by tjv305
Member since May 2015
12507 posts
Posted on 12/4/16 at 5:18 pm to
How good should we be next year ? 10-2 or better and compete with Bama in the SECCG?
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
52279 posts
Posted on 12/4/16 at 6:04 pm to
I expect 11-1.
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 12/4/16 at 6:58 pm to
Im with Box 11-1 mainly because of the schedule...we do not travel to any west teams..we also have UT, LSU, Vandy at home with A&M...then we have girls school at home, road games against Mizzou, USC, & UK. and Jax for the WLOCP. I think we drop 1 game either USC or UK believe it or not.

Our home record is pretty damn good.
Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
5520 posts
Posted on 12/4/16 at 7:08 pm to
11-1 should be the expectation next year. All the weapons back on offense and hopefully a QB whether it's Trask or Franks or potentially Stidham who can make the offense explosive. The offense is primed for a good QB to come in and be explosive next year.

The defense is losing a lot but there's a lot of guys who got a lot of experience this year which should make the growing pains next year not as drastic and painful.

I think we go 11-1 and finish 4-1 against LSU, A&M, UGA, Michigan, and FSU. The offense will be ranked Top 50 in the country and the defense will be Top 20.
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 12/4/16 at 7:31 pm to
A bit worried about the run defense. UF has given up 200 yards rushing every game besides south carolina since Davis and Anzalone were hurt, and they are losing their best interior players on the DL to graduation and the draft.

If they find a QB, they could probably get to 10 wins.
Posted by gatorbait_007
Clemson, SC
Member since Oct 2013
924 posts
Posted on 12/4/16 at 8:43 pm to
I don't see the defense being a top 20 team or the offense being top 50.

On defense with the losses due to graduation and the draft the defense will be hurting for depth especially in the secondary. I read that Duke Dawson will most likely leave as well now. Leaving us with Gardner as the player to lead our defensive secondary next year. The D-line does have some playmakers still but depth will be an issue if we don't bring some guys in and LB showed some promise for sure but we need depth there as well.

On the offense I like our playmakers and the O-line will be improved hopefully. I just am unsure about our QB situation and we will know pretty early next year how that will be. We have the ability to be a top 50 offense but like this year we expected a boost on offense yet we went backwards as far as offensive rankings. Stidham or good play from one of our FR can change that.

quote:

I think we go 11-1 and finish 4-1 against LSU, A&M, UGA, Michigan, and FSU.


Not sure what you saw this year to think this. Fracois will be better and FSU is way ahead of us talent wise. Michigan is better. Eason will have another year under his belt. I see 2-3 but I hope its what you think and we go 4-1.
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 12/4/16 at 8:51 pm to
Dawson leave early for what? He is not even remotely close to being draft material. Washington will be back also, and Marcell Harris who has been lights out lately + Gardner and that makes four right there.

Anzalone is a junior ditto Caleb Brantley who isnt a lock to leave...Bullard as a senior was taken in 3rd round folks.
CeCe and Bryan, Davis, Zuniga, Polite, Sherit is a jr. so please calm the hell down.
Posted by gatorbait_007
Clemson, SC
Member since Oct 2013
924 posts
Posted on 12/4/16 at 8:59 pm to
quote:

so please calm the hell down.


Uhhhh.... I am calm I just don't see the depth at those positions. Seriously if anyone has a different opinion from you, you get all butthurt and spew hate or think they are going off the deep end. All I said is we lack depth which we do. Can nobody have an opinion that differs from you.

I don't know why Dawson would leave early, Andrew Spivey said he was most likely gone. I didn't think DJ Humphries was a first rounder either or should leave. Here is the link LINK .
Yes we will have Washington (also heard he may go) and Harris and Gardner if Dawson leaves early like Spivey said we lack experience mostly but some depth. If Dawson leaves will carry over 15 DB's from 2016. 6 of which most fans probably never heard of the rest are FR or SO with only 3 having playing time. We currently have 3 CB commits.

Anzalone isn't going to leave but behind him we lack depth and experience. Also said that we did show promise here. We can have as many as 12 LB's make if from the 2016 roster to 2017. Currently 8 of those are Freshman 4 or 5 of which most people don't even know are on the team. Anzalone and two guys who wont sniff the field are JR's and a sophomore. We currently have 2 LB commits.

I said our D-line will have playmakers. I think Brantley leaves. When Ivie and Brantley were out we got shredded on the ground. Look at the roster we will have our 4 starters but not much depth and experience behind them. We will carry over 11 DL from this year to next if Brantley leaves. 4 were FR this year 6 SO an Sherit our 1 JR. Out of the positions this could be our strength but we will lack depth . We currently have 1 Defensive line commit.

This post was edited on 12/4/16 at 10:01 pm
Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
5520 posts
Posted on 12/4/16 at 9:37 pm to
quote:

Not sure what you saw this year to think this. Fracois will be better and FSU is way ahead of us talent wise. Michigan is better. Eason will have another year under his belt. I see 2-3 but I hope its what you think and we go 4-1.


Here's my explanation:

-Michigan will be breaking in a new starting QB and replacing all 11 starters on defense and playing in their season opener. Harbaugh is a hell of a coach so that is a toss up, but our offense should be able to take advantage of all the players they're losing. That game could go either way

-Texas A&M crashed and burned this year when Trevor Knight got hurt. He's gone next year and the new quarterback didn't impress me at all. They lose talent on defense and it's in the Swamp. Very winnable game next year.

-We have a giant coaching advantage over UGA. Kirby is a spitting image of Will Muschamp and I don't think he has the ability to outcoach us. I don't think we will lose to UGA. Eason did not progress this year. He has an incredible arm, but no coaching, no play calling, and no touch on short and intermediate throws.

-I like Florida over LSU every year that Ed Orgeron is their head coach. They have no quarterback and their talent level will steadily decline under O. Mac will coach circles around him just like they did this year. The game being in the Swamp helps too.

-FSU will once again be talented but they lose their best defensive player in Demarcus Walker and their only playmaker in Dalvin Cook. Francois is good but he has nobody to throw to and without the safety net of Dalvin Cook he'll prove to be more average than great IMO. The games in the Swamp and we would've been in the game each of the last two years with competent QB play. I don't know if we beat them, I'd say no right now, but we certainly have a better chance with better QB play.

Also, I wanted to throw in the UT game. They'll be breaking in a new QB, losing all of their best defensive players and most of their weapons on offense. We will beat their asses next year in the Swamp. This year was an anamoly. Mac will kick the shite out of Butch in the Swamp next season.
Posted by gatorbait_007
Clemson, SC
Member since Oct 2013
924 posts
Posted on 12/4/16 at 9:45 pm to
atlgator I hope you are right. But I think we win A&M and LSU. FSU will lose walker but will have Derwin James back. Cook will be a loss for sure. I think we smash UT next year. Michigan is loaded with talent and will be the first start for one of our FR QB's. I just have a feeling Eason is going to show a lot of improvement next year but it can go either way. Regardless I think we can both agree it hinges on our QB play next year. But I do appreciate the thought you put into it making your point.
Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
5520 posts
Posted on 12/4/16 at 10:20 pm to


They have a chance to turn the corner next year. The offense has to improve. There's no excuse for it to be putrid again next year. The excuse cannot be it's a freshman. There's too many redshirt freshmen QBs that end up being great in year one. They simply have got to be ready to play come next August.
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 12/4/16 at 10:22 pm to
quote:

gatorbait_007


Sorry...my reply wasnt aimed at you personally...ity was a general statement about how a lot of folks...not just here but on other message boards are quick to think the sky is falling. I actually have two other Gator message boards I go to and seldom post because one has great recruiting info usually and that keeps me occupied.

Of course Im optimistic to a fault...but dont think I dont see problems....hard to miss some of them. I do think we will be an improved team in 2017 and part of that is the schedule.

Home field is huge in the Swamp. I would ask anyone "who is going to win the east in 2017?" It isnt going to be UT, USC and UGA are at least a year away...Missouri could be stuck in neutral, Vandy comes to us, UK is probably a threat believe it or not if they can get quality depth overall and thats hard to do at UK when its a basketball school.

The east may not be powerful again in 2017 but we want to keep going to the SECCG but with enough weapons.
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 12/4/16 at 10:37 pm to
7-5 and Mac is fired mid year after starting 3-4. We don't have any DTs for the 3rd straight class and defensive recruiting has been poor. Imo the offense will sputter and the defense won't be good enough to save us.
Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
5520 posts
Posted on 12/4/16 at 10:39 pm to
You're such a miserable piece of shite "fan"

Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 8:00 am to
It's too early to say much about 2017 at this point, but my very early thoughts:

--DL was overrated this year. Gave up 200 yards rushing 5 times, and only got 14 sacks in the last 9 games, and if you take out South Carolina, only had 9 sacks in 8 games. The unit was overrated IMO, and will be weaker next year than it was this year. The big thing to me is that UF is missing an elite pass rusher. Will one develop this off season? And the big question, who the frick will play DT behind Bryan, Clark, and Polite? Big concerns at DT. DE should be OK, if not elite.

--Secondary is scary. UF showed they don't trust guys like Putu and Williamson all year long. When Washington and Dawson were both out against FSU they went 3 LBs instead of bringing in a back up DB. UF actually has a lot of bodies back there, Taylor, Lenton, McWilliams, Williamson, Putu, Burnett, but not anyone they really trust. Gardner, Washington, Harris and Dawson are really going to have to stay healthy next year or this unit may be in trouble. Regardless, this is a big step down from what we had the past few years.

--LB is light on depth, but they look all set with Joseph, Moon, Reese, and Johnson as your first guys up for next year. If Anzalone stays, it's a decent unit. Nothing special, but solid.

--OL is a much improved pass blocking unit right now than it has been. UF only gave up 25 sacks this year which was a huge improvement over last year although still not very good, but with continued improvement they should be a decent pass blocking OL next year. Anyone who plays QB for Florida next year should have decent protection. Lots of guys got PT and a ton are coming back. They are soft as baby shite though in run blocking. That has to improve for UF to win a championship.

--RB , TE, and WR are positions at UF that are overrated, but a lot of them come back. none of these guys can take over a game, but there are a number of solid players. A decent QB could really elevate the play of these units, but right now, none of these units is scaring anyone.

--QB - need to find one. without one, UF is in trouble next year. Whomever it is should have a decent OL to give them pass protection though.

--ST - kicking specialists will be best in the country - hopefully the rest of the units improve because they played like fricking dog shite this year.

Good home schedule, not many road games, but unless UF finds a QB, I don't see them doing more than winning the east again, and that is only because the east is such shite.

Will be interesting to see what recruits they add, what coaching changes occur, and how much they improve in the off season.







This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 8:03 am
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:04 pm to
We have issues at TE because of poor blocking. Our TEs were manhandled by Bama and other teams...we have to get bigger TEs on campus that will help with run/pass blocking.
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