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re: 2017 Revisited
Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:13 pm to TJGator1215
Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:13 pm to TJGator1215
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7-5 and Mac is fired mid year after starting 3-4.
i'm as doubtful about next year as anyone, but i don't know how true this is. it will be interesting if this happens. i wonder if the new AD will promote an interim HC or let him finish the season if this happens.
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 5:52 pm to slayerxing
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A bit worried about the run defense. UF has given up 200 yards rushing every game besides south carolina since Davis and Anzalone were hurt, and they are losing their best interior players on the DL to graduation and the draft.
Huh? We just finished 6th in the damn country in total defense...worry about something else.
Iowa finished 117th in offense and I believe 24th in defense. Allowing 3rd down conversions we were awesome and Iowa was pretty good. Should be good defensive game, but their weakness is our strength and ditto. We have the better throwing offense.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 6:25 pm to reel_gator8
Do we all agree anything worse then 10-2 and competing in the SECCG is a failure and the coaching staff should be on the hot seat?
Posted on 12/5/16 at 6:34 pm to tjv305
Most people here would be fine with an 8-4 season with an East championship.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 6:37 pm to tjv305
Nope
Lots of things go into a record
Are we losing 17-3 or are we losing 35-38?
Did the offense improve?
Did the defense falter?
Id need to see a total shitshow
Lots of things go into a record
Are we losing 17-3 or are we losing 35-38?
Did the offense improve?
Did the defense falter?
Id need to see a total shitshow
Posted on 12/5/16 at 6:51 pm to finchmeister08
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Most people here would be fine with an 8-4 season with an East championship.
Last year was 10-2 with a loss in the SECCG and the bowl game
This year was a 9-3 season with a loss in the SECCG.
If we don't see improvement on offense next year I'll be worried.
The absolute worse record we can have next year is 9-3 with an SECCG appearance, but the offense has to be improved enough to keep us in games and it's the result of a young defense that we lose games.
I think the defense will go from elite to above average next year just because we're so young. The offense should go from bad to average/slightly above average next year. The playmakers and the offensive line are in place. It's up to the quarterback to play well to determine where our offense goes next season.
Although I think 9-3 is the absolute worst we can go next year before I get really nervous with this staff, I would be disappointed if we don't finish 11-1 next season. I expect a top 50 offense and a top 20 defense. Anything worse than that and I'll be disappointed. The schedule is loaded with home games and we cannot get into the habit of losing games at home.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 8:32 pm to reel_gator8
I dont see us going 11-1 until we get ourselves a QB.
Most likely will go 9-3 or 10-2. Secondary will be a huge concern. LBs and DL should be fine. We could have a really explosive offense if we could get a damn QB.
Most likely will go 9-3 or 10-2. Secondary will be a huge concern. LBs and DL should be fine. We could have a really explosive offense if we could get a damn QB.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 10:31 pm to reel_gator8
He was talking about the games after Davis and anzalone got hurt.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 7:06 am to TJGator1215
The pass defense for UF was elite this year. Only 8 TD allowed. Take away one fluke half against UT and they only gave up 4 TD in the air in the other 11 games. That is insane. UF was top 5 in almost every pass defense category and gave up the fewest TDs of any P5 team all year.
The run defense was overrated though. Gave up 3.81 per carry and 16 TD on the ground. Not an elite run defense. Especially after the injuries piled up during the Arkansas game. Florida ended up #36 in the country in YPG, #30 in YPC, and tied for #36 in rushing TD allowed.
This is exactly why people are worried about the defense next year. The strength of the defense was very obviously the defensive secondary. The corners are leaving, the strength in the middle up front is leaving, and that is why people are expecting such a drop off on defense.
The run defense was overrated though. Gave up 3.81 per carry and 16 TD on the ground. Not an elite run defense. Especially after the injuries piled up during the Arkansas game. Florida ended up #36 in the country in YPG, #30 in YPC, and tied for #36 in rushing TD allowed.
This is exactly why people are worried about the defense next year. The strength of the defense was very obviously the defensive secondary. The corners are leaving, the strength in the middle up front is leaving, and that is why people are expecting such a drop off on defense.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 3:40 pm to dbuchanon
What will it take for you guys to think the coaching staff should be on the hot seat? It seems like the people that are predicting a great record next are the ones that don't feel like the staff is doing a bad job.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:06 pm to tjv305
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What will it take for you guys to think the coaching staff should be on the hot seat?
It would take more than 2 years that is for sure. Mac has 4 years and would have to implode to not get four years. He is building a program and there problems on offense and he knows that...he needs to fix that and I believe he will.
If next year the offense is the same...then I am concerned, but it doesnt mean he wont get four years and if the 4th year is so so...then he will probably be let go and I would be fine with that. If he goes 11-1 his fourth year then he will get an extension to help him recruit. 10-2 is still doable...depending on how we look.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:33 pm to reel_gator8
If the offense isn't clearly better by year 4 then he will be fired . I think he could be fire after next season if the offense doesn't improve and the defense struggles with new starters and the team finishes 7-5 or worse.
I don't get how you guys before the season can say the offense will be better and score 30 points a game , The team will go 11-1 and not be concerned about the coaching staff. But the guys who were more realistic mostly seem to be disappointed in the coaching staff.
I don't get how you guys before the season can say the offense will be better and score 30 points a game , The team will go 11-1 and not be concerned about the coaching staff. But the guys who were more realistic mostly seem to be disappointed in the coaching staff.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 10:27 pm to tjv305
Well....Clemson fans were beside themselves in Dabos 4th year when they went something 5-7 a LOSING record, now look at the program the past two years...Dabo has a good QB and an overall good team now. What if they had pulled the plug?
Just food for thought because the glass is half full or half empty and it depends on the way you look at it. Again, if we dont implode next year...Mac will be here for a 4th year and get used to it. After next year we dont show improvement but still go 9-3 ...he aint going to be fired necessarily despite the negative nellies views.
We start firing HCs before they can build a program...good luck on coaching searches...they are going to want long term deals and Mac signed a six year deal with UF that extends to 2020 by the way. Muschamp gets 2 mil a year through 2017 also.
UF raises coach Jim McElwain's salary | Football | alligator.org
Mar 25, 2016 - The second-year UF coach is getting a $750,000 increase in his salary, bumping his annual pay from $3.5 million to $4.25 million and making him the highest-paid coach in the Southeastern Conference East Division, the school announced. The raise went into effect on Feb. 1 on the six-year deal still runs through 2020.
Yeah...he will be UF coach for a while...so no need to be negative.
Countdown to TJ smashing his soda pop can 1, 2 3
Just food for thought because the glass is half full or half empty and it depends on the way you look at it. Again, if we dont implode next year...Mac will be here for a 4th year and get used to it. After next year we dont show improvement but still go 9-3 ...he aint going to be fired necessarily despite the negative nellies views.
We start firing HCs before they can build a program...good luck on coaching searches...they are going to want long term deals and Mac signed a six year deal with UF that extends to 2020 by the way. Muschamp gets 2 mil a year through 2017 also.
UF raises coach Jim McElwain's salary | Football | alligator.org
Mar 25, 2016 - The second-year UF coach is getting a $750,000 increase in his salary, bumping his annual pay from $3.5 million to $4.25 million and making him the highest-paid coach in the Southeastern Conference East Division, the school announced. The raise went into effect on Feb. 1 on the six-year deal still runs through 2020.
Yeah...he will be UF coach for a while...so no need to be negative.
Countdown to TJ smashing his soda pop can 1, 2 3
This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 12/6/16 at 11:03 pm to reel_gator8
Eh. It just adds a little more to his buyout.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 11:27 pm to TJGator1215
I don't understand why you're talking about buying out a coach that is just getting settled in and led us to two SEC Championship appearances in rebuilding years before he's even found a long term option at quarterback
It's astonishing how impatient certain "fans" are. It really is.
It's astonishing how impatient certain "fans" are. It really is.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:15 am to atlgator
Because he will be done in by his recruiting next year. You can't go one class without signing 0 DTs, it's worse to go to two and a complete disaster when we have none 2 months to NSD and there's zero Buzz at all at that position.
I can already hear the excuses:
Mac needs more time
The offense is young
The defense is young
Its WM fault.
You do realize that we will only have 2 DTs total, 4 LBs that can contribute, and having almost zero experience returning at DB right? That means UF will have to win shootouts, something this offense is not built to do. That's why recruiting and class balance at a high level are important.
We have underrecruited the OL, LB, DB, and S. We're gonna have injuries-transfers at these positions. What are we gonna do at DT? Move Cece Riles and RDJ over? That takes away from Ceces skill set and from the OL, which add injuries, a transfer or more and we're thin again. LBs: Joseph, Johnson, Reese, Moon, Miller, Houston, Jackson. Reese has a nose for the ball but lacks speed, Johnson and Joseph haven't shown really anything to determine if they can make consistent impacts. Jackson is a ST only, and Houston has a torn acl. That leaves Ventrell Miller.
DB: Chauncey Gardner will be our most experienced starter
Williamson and putu have been MIA for weeks.
McWilliams tore his acl.
That leaves Marco Wilson, Davis, potentially Blades, Henderson, etc.
S: Harris and Washington are good but they're not elite like Neal, Maye, etc.
Current class commits
QB: Allen
RB: Gray
WR: Green, Toney
TE: Byrd and Gamble
OL: Telfort
DE: Carter
DT: None
LB: Houston and Miller
DB: Davis, Wilson, Blades
We need to sign at least 4 DTs for depth yet we only have Truesdell as a legit option right now. We need to take 4-5 OL each year and of course we need a QB. Allen will never start here unless in an emergency situation. Bad offensive recruiting and mismanaged classes can make it hard to win the SEC as we've seen against the more talented teams. Bad class balance and poor overall recruiting sets the program back 4-5 years or another decade.
I can already hear the excuses:
Mac needs more time
The offense is young
The defense is young
Its WM fault.
You do realize that we will only have 2 DTs total, 4 LBs that can contribute, and having almost zero experience returning at DB right? That means UF will have to win shootouts, something this offense is not built to do. That's why recruiting and class balance at a high level are important.
We have underrecruited the OL, LB, DB, and S. We're gonna have injuries-transfers at these positions. What are we gonna do at DT? Move Cece Riles and RDJ over? That takes away from Ceces skill set and from the OL, which add injuries, a transfer or more and we're thin again. LBs: Joseph, Johnson, Reese, Moon, Miller, Houston, Jackson. Reese has a nose for the ball but lacks speed, Johnson and Joseph haven't shown really anything to determine if they can make consistent impacts. Jackson is a ST only, and Houston has a torn acl. That leaves Ventrell Miller.
DB: Chauncey Gardner will be our most experienced starter
Williamson and putu have been MIA for weeks.
McWilliams tore his acl.
That leaves Marco Wilson, Davis, potentially Blades, Henderson, etc.
S: Harris and Washington are good but they're not elite like Neal, Maye, etc.
Current class commits
QB: Allen
RB: Gray
WR: Green, Toney
TE: Byrd and Gamble
OL: Telfort
DE: Carter
DT: None
LB: Houston and Miller
DB: Davis, Wilson, Blades
We need to sign at least 4 DTs for depth yet we only have Truesdell as a legit option right now. We need to take 4-5 OL each year and of course we need a QB. Allen will never start here unless in an emergency situation. Bad offensive recruiting and mismanaged classes can make it hard to win the SEC as we've seen against the more talented teams. Bad class balance and poor overall recruiting sets the program back 4-5 years or another decade.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:40 am to TJGator1215
Gents, You have to admit there is some realism in TJ's posts when it comes to recruiting. Those numbers and that layout does not look like the path to success.
I don't get deep into the worry about recruiting but I recognize it's important. I put my focus on what's on the field. I believe good coaches produce good results with the talent on hand. But those results are enhanced when good talent is added to good coaching.
The main thing I don't understand is this: receiver, TE, and RB have improved. Not yet elite but the talent on hand could be elite level next year for sure. OL is better but needs a lot of work. Defense has talent but will be thin at LB and DL.
That tells me WR, RB, TE are in pretty good shape. QBs are here and my assumption is that they can be coached up, otherwise why in the hell are they here to begin with. For that matter, why would Mac and Nuss be here if they can't coach up the QBs. Those guys have the QB from CSU, McCarron, and McElroy that all produced and performed well. Yet it's not happening here, save for Grier, who was doing well but decided to hop on the SARM train to ineligibility land.
That leaves me thinking OL, DT, DE, LB should be primary areas of focus. DB I'm not sure about.
But for OL, DT, DE, LB I see 4 names total. That can't be good. This seems like the ideal year to get 5 of the most elite recruits for each of those positions and let them know they are almost guaranteed to play immediately.
Probably a lot I don't understand with recruiting dynamics but again, I don't think this looks promising at the moment.
If you can assert optimism in the OL, DT, DE, LB situations then please spell out that optimism. And a reminder here - hope is not a method.
I don't get deep into the worry about recruiting but I recognize it's important. I put my focus on what's on the field. I believe good coaches produce good results with the talent on hand. But those results are enhanced when good talent is added to good coaching.
The main thing I don't understand is this: receiver, TE, and RB have improved. Not yet elite but the talent on hand could be elite level next year for sure. OL is better but needs a lot of work. Defense has talent but will be thin at LB and DL.
That tells me WR, RB, TE are in pretty good shape. QBs are here and my assumption is that they can be coached up, otherwise why in the hell are they here to begin with. For that matter, why would Mac and Nuss be here if they can't coach up the QBs. Those guys have the QB from CSU, McCarron, and McElroy that all produced and performed well. Yet it's not happening here, save for Grier, who was doing well but decided to hop on the SARM train to ineligibility land.
That leaves me thinking OL, DT, DE, LB should be primary areas of focus. DB I'm not sure about.
But for OL, DT, DE, LB I see 4 names total. That can't be good. This seems like the ideal year to get 5 of the most elite recruits for each of those positions and let them know they are almost guaranteed to play immediately.
Probably a lot I don't understand with recruiting dynamics but again, I don't think this looks promising at the moment.
If you can assert optimism in the OL, DT, DE, LB situations then please spell out that optimism. And a reminder here - hope is not a method.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 3:34 am to UF
1 McCarron and McElroy looked great because they had nfl talent all around them. Like Tebow did here. Its easier to mask a weak QB or have a coach look better than he his at recruiting because Saban has his process. Just look at all the assistants he's been through who got HC jobs. Most failed horribly.
Bobby Williams
Derek Dooley
Mike Haywood
Kirby Smart
Jim Mcelwain
Jason Garrett
Will Muschamp
Jimbo Fisher
Mark Dantonio
Fisher has been a sure fire success, along with Dantonio. Garrett has had a rocky tenure until Dallas drafted an OL, Dak and Zeke to help Dez.
Bobby Williams
Derek Dooley
Mike Haywood
Kirby Smart
Jim Mcelwain
Jason Garrett
Will Muschamp
Jimbo Fisher
Mark Dantonio
Fisher has been a sure fire success, along with Dantonio. Garrett has had a rocky tenure until Dallas drafted an OL, Dak and Zeke to help Dez.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 6:02 am to TJGator1215
The current class looks weak on paper in terms of depth, but it also isn't NSD. Also, you don't need CBs with a ton of experience.
UF's base personnel is a 4-2-5, only 2 LB's play 80+ percent of the time. Anzalone may come back there, and if so, that's more than enough.
DT is the lone position I'm worried about from a numbers perspective. You go into next year with Clark, Bryan, Riles, and Polite. Need to sign 2-3 FR this year.
UF's base personnel is a 4-2-5, only 2 LB's play 80+ percent of the time. Anzalone may come back there, and if so, that's more than enough.
DT is the lone position I'm worried about from a numbers perspective. You go into next year with Clark, Bryan, Riles, and Polite. Need to sign 2-3 FR this year.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 6:27 am to UF
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Gents, You have to admit there is some realism in TJ's posts when it comes to recruiting. Those numbers and that layout does not look like the path to success.
Wrong....UF I dont have to admit this. TJ has loosely tied some info that suit his agenda...very nice...except he is wrong in so many ways.
1) first of all NONE of us know what is going to happen by NSD...its early Feb you know.
2) TJs slanted view on our woes are offcourse and our defense is going to be good in 2017 despite his claims to the contrary. Gardner is not going to be most experience starter as a DB. We have Washington, Marcell Harris, Gardner back. Putu was redshirted as I recall and was highly rated as a JUCO. LBs we are good...not a lot of depth but Reese, Joseph , Kylan Johnson & Anzalone are a good core to start with...we also have Moon who was r/sed.
DL? I think Caleb Brantley returns as a senior when he gets his possible draft evaluation...remember that Bullard...who was better imo was only a third rounder. Us Gator fans love him but the NFL is a cold hearted business. CeCe, Bryan (who will be improved and has a motor), Sherit, Zuniga, Cox jr, Davis, Clayton, Polite, Clark....thats 10 not counting Justus Reed. Polite played as true frosh and ditto Clayton so we should see improvement. The sky isnt falling. Clark is 325 and will be a junior. Bryan is as big as Brantley.
Offense? 10 starters back and a lot of upside. What I liked seeing was the games against LSU & Bama when our OL flexed some muscle and we ran the ball quite well at times and pass protected decently in spite of Bamas shutting down our run game after 1st qt.
WRs Dre Massey (inj r/s), Cleveland , Calloway, Hammond and Swain gives us hope in 2017 to have better offense. OL is stacked. We have stout RBs and QB play should be mended imo.
So unless TJ has 10 mil in his pockets to donate...yeah Mac will be here through 2018 whether he likes it or not.
Its just crazy to think he would be let go after 3 years if we go at least 8-4...we would owe him 3 yrs at about 14 mil? Thats a lotta cheese. We still have to pay 2 mil to Muschamp next year.
LSU poisoned themselves by firing Miles so early in the season...not saying it wasnt justified...but coaches see that and give their agents pause to consider that school. Miles wouldnt have done worse than 4 Ls probably...then fire him at end of the season.
You are right if you are a non believer UF that hope is just that ....hope. Its why we get up every morning and go to work. Its good to have hope.
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