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re: Arkansas 2020 is Arkansas 2019 with a better turnover margin

Posted on 10/18/20 at 10:07 pm to
Posted by weremoose
Member since Nov 2015
4178 posts
Posted on 10/18/20 at 10:07 pm to
This a great example of "stats don't lie, but statisticians do"
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46590 posts
Posted on 10/18/20 at 10:07 pm to
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They're creating havooc on defense and not turning it over on offense.


They’ve turned it over 7 times this year, it’s just that the other teams have turned it an incredible 14 times in 4 games. They are still averaging nearly 2 turnovers a game themselves though.

And when they aren’t getting turnovers, the defense is actually below average. Their run defense is legitimately bad (worse than last year through 4 games) and their pass defense is about the same as last year.

Again, outside of TO margin leading to two anomalous wins this is the same team by objective metrics.
Posted by weremoose
Member since Nov 2015
4178 posts
Posted on 10/18/20 at 10:09 pm to
We own that arse in historical record and they need us to be down for a very long time to catch up.

Since it doesn't look like we will be, and their brinks-truck coaching philosophy is underwhelming so far, they're going through some serious cope.
Posted by Porcine Human
Fayetteville, Arkansas
Member since Feb 2016
11225 posts
Posted on 10/18/20 at 10:11 pm to
How many games of this team have you watched, including last year?
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46590 posts
Posted on 10/18/20 at 10:11 pm to
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And if Florida doesn’t turn it over against aTm, the Aggies are a 2 loss team.



A&M and Florida each had one turnover in that game, and A&M has superior passing offensive efficiency, rushing offensive efficiency, defensive efficiency and we outgained them by 140 yards. Not only is it NOT comparable at all, you just pointed to an instance where the team you expect to beat clearly outplayed and defeated a top 5 team WITHOUT a beneficial turnover margin.
Posted by Rhino5
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2014
28907 posts
Posted on 10/18/20 at 10:12 pm to
I like Pittman. Would trade Gus, Chad and Nix for him.
Posted by Arkapigdiesel
Arkansas
Member since Jun 2009
13339 posts
Posted on 10/18/20 at 10:13 pm to
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Arkansas 2020 - Look it up, their stats

W - L
3 | 1
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46590 posts
Posted on 10/18/20 at 10:13 pm to
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How many games of this team have you watched, including last year?


This year? All four

Last year? Ole Miss, CSU, A&M, Auburn, Bama, LSU IIRC
Posted by Mithridates6
Member since Oct 2019
8220 posts
Posted on 10/18/20 at 10:14 pm to
They did hold OM to 4-16 on third downs. But I agree that turnover margin isn't sustainable. Otoh at least they are taking advantage of it, I think LSU was +7 against MSU and Mizzou and still lost
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46590 posts
Posted on 10/18/20 at 10:17 pm to
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Our defense is extremely well prepared and is smothering receivers and jumping routes


The defense is playing smart, but they’re also playing almost exclusively cover 2 and cover 3 cloud shell zone and keeping everything in front of them. When they aren’t throwing INTs, teams have moved the ball fairly easily through the air in 5-10 yard increments. And the run defense is not good at all. Odom is betting on teams not being to drive the field in small increments without making mistakes, and it’s worked so far because a couple QBs kept throwing them the ball out of frustration.

And with respect to the defense forcing TOs, half the INTs are considered unforced by advanced metrics (meaning pressure or making a play on a well placed ball were not the cause). Ole Miss and State just threw balls to defenders sitting in their zones in many cases.

Fisher has shown he has no issue handing it off 50 times and taking that 5-6 YPG all the way down the field. He won’t force Mond to throw 50 times in 7-8 man deep zone.
This post was edited on 10/18/20 at 10:20 pm
Posted by Latarian
Thug POS
Member since Jul 2010
27606 posts
Posted on 10/18/20 at 10:19 pm to
You sound concerned
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46590 posts
Posted on 10/18/20 at 10:22 pm to
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Latarian


Nice of you to show back up after what, a year? Convenient timing these last few weeks
Posted by Mithridates6
Member since Oct 2019
8220 posts
Posted on 10/18/20 at 10:22 pm to
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Fisher has shown he has no issue handing it off 50 times and taking that 5-6 YPG all the way down the field. He won’t force Mond to throw 50 times in 7-8 man deep zone.

Florida only ran 56 plays total against A&M bc yall ran so much
Posted by TheCheshireHog
Cashew Chicken Country
Member since Oct 2010
40909 posts
Posted on 10/18/20 at 10:23 pm to
To have watched those games and not be able to honestly admit this team is better is a 100% lie on your behalf. You can make stats say whatever you want to believe but the eye test tells a much different story.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
37600 posts
Posted on 10/18/20 at 10:24 pm to
Auburn rushed for 260 yards. I expect Fisher to run it down their throats
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46590 posts
Posted on 10/18/20 at 10:25 pm to
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Florida only ran 56 plays total against A&M bc yall ran so much


And we basically went into a shell after getting up two scores on State, because Spiller and Smith were averaging 6+ YPC. I think we threw like 6 total passes after the TD that put us up 21-7.

If Arkansas plays cover 3 shell with 6 in the box all day we’ll run for 300 yards and hold the ball for 40 minutes, because Arkansas can’t stop it without extra defenders and unlike Kiffin/Leach Fisher isn’t beholden to the pass and big plays.
This post was edited on 10/18/20 at 10:27 pm
Posted by Gordy
Fayetteville
Member since Dec 2015
1732 posts
Posted on 10/18/20 at 10:26 pm to
Yall are the same every year. Start off well just to have the late season collapse. So if we are the same but different this year and we should have beat yall last year then we will beat yall by 2 TDs this year after we figure in our interceptions Mond is going to throw to us.
Posted by Latarian
Thug POS
Member since Jul 2010
27606 posts
Posted on 10/18/20 at 10:28 pm to
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Nice of you to show back up after what, a year? Convenient timing these last few weeks


Wait you mean when SEC sports started back up again? Yeah weird how that happened isn’t it?
Posted by sugatowng
Look at my bling Bitches
Member since Nov 2006
25333 posts
Posted on 10/18/20 at 10:28 pm to
Yet 3-1

Hot take fail fo-jizzle
Posted by beaverfever
Little Rock
Member since Jan 2008
32769 posts
Posted on 10/18/20 at 10:29 pm to
Luckily 2019 Arkansas should have beaten Texas A&M so they won’t have to be much better.
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