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re: Former LSU safety Eric Reid joins Kaepernick protest

Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:52 am to
Posted by Gradual_Stroke
Bee Cave, TX
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:52 am to
frickING WHITE MALE!
Posted by GatorNation4Lyfe
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
6720 posts
Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:52 am to
I have no problem with anyone that does not feel like the national anthem represents them. Should you expect a native Indian or first nations aboriginal in Canada to stand for either anthem? If you look closely into the actual lyrics and the authors, you might also get offended. Do you understand the hypocrisy to say "land of the free", while not everyone is free?

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To understand the full “Star-Spangled Banner” story, you have to understand the author. Key was an aristocrat and city prosecutor in Washington, D.C. He was, like most enlightened men at the time, not against slavery; he just thought that since blacks were mentally inferior, masters should treat them with more Christian kindness. He supported sending free blacks (not slaves) back to Africa and, with a few exceptions, was about as pro-slavery, anti-black and anti-abolitionist as you could get at the time.

Of particular note was Key’s opposition to the idea of the Colonial Marines. The Marines were a battalion of runaway slaves who joined with the British Royal Army in exchange for their freedom. The Marines were not only a terrifying example of what slaves would do if given the chance, but also a repudiation of the white superiority that men like Key were so invested in.

All of these ideas and concepts came together around Aug. 24, 1815, at the Battle of Bladensburg, where Key, who was serving as a lieutenant at the time, ran into a battalion of Colonial Marines. His troops were taken to the woodshed by the very black folks he disdained, and he fled back to his home in Georgetown to lick his wounds. The British troops, emboldened by their victory in Bladensburg, then marched into Washington, D.C., burning the Library of Congress, the Capitol Building and the White House. You can imagine that Key was very much in his feelings seeing black soldiers trampling on the city he so desperately loved.

A few weeks later, in September of 1815, far from being a captive, Key was on a British boat begging for the release of one of his friends, a doctor named William Beanes. Key was on the boat waiting to see if the British would release his friend when he observed the bloody battle of Fort McHenry in Baltimore on Sept. 13, 1815. America lost the battle but managed to inflict heavy casualties on the British in the process. This inspired Key to write “The Star-Spangled Banner” right then and there, but no one remembers that he wrote a full third stanza decrying the former slaves who were now working for the British army:

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

In other words, Key was saying that the blood of all the former slaves and “hirelings” on the battlefield will wash away the pollution of the British invaders. With Key still bitter that some black soldiers got the best of him a few weeks earlier, “The Star-Spangled Banner” is as much a patriotic song as it is a diss track to black people who had the audacity to fight for their freedom. Perhaps that’s why it took almost 100 years for the song to become the national anthem.


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Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2014
13734 posts
Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:53 am to
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What you have to realize is that BLM has become more of a wide ranging concept for black folks who feel they've been oppressed. And they have been. The 60s wasn't too long ago.


The 60's in term of times was not that long ago but the evolution of society since then is way beyond. I ask as a 30ish white male what opportunity did I have that other races did not have if they worked for it? I get that there is racism in this country but just because you didn't get exactly what you think you deserve isn;t racism that is life. You get out of this world what work you put into it and sometimes you still don't get what you deserve. You aren't owed anything you have earn it.
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
39862 posts
Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:53 am to
He is leading Kaepernick into a better direction

he is okay with me
Posted by heartbreakTiger
grinding for my grinders
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:54 am to
So they were oppressed 50 something years ago. Black people are not currently oppressed. The only seperate spaces are now at mizzou at the request of blacks.

They have every single opportunity as anyone else. They even have lower admission standards for schools and jobs. The only way anyone is oppressed anymore is by being lazy.

Still kap and Reid talking oppression is like a white sjw from jewlane lecturing on it. They didn't come from the streets.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:55 am to
Where is your proof of oppression from the gov?

Posted by DBeaux225
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2012
9669 posts
Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:55 am to
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First, Louisiana elects a Democrat governor... Now this?



Well a Republican ran this state in the ground for 8 years so I guess we're trying Democrat.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
53964 posts
Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:55 am to
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I'm probing because there was a sad hypocrisy when conservatives protested radio stations playing the Dixie Chicks, but then turned around and cried foul during the Duck Dynasty's fiasco.


Um...no there isn't.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
71183 posts
Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:56 am to
Man, there have been literacy laws and poll taxes that have effected minority voting.

Just in 2013 the Supreme Court ruled against a section of the Voting Rights Act due to "voting discrimination".

We've incarcerated black people over selling what most now deem as a harmless drug in marijuana, and stripped them from their right to vote because now they are a felon. Because of pot.

Point being there is an argument on each side. All arguments should be heard and then we should find some middle ground. Putting your foot down, on both sides, isn't accomplishing anything except further segregation. Jmo
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:57 am to
Bad choice considering dems have actually oppressed blacks for hundreds of years.
Posted by DonBro
Omaha NE
Member since Dec 2012
496 posts
Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:58 am to
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I ask as a 30ish white male what opportunity did I have that other races did not have if they worked for it? I get that there is racism in this country but just because you didn't get exactly what you think you deserve isn;t racism that is life.

Your reasoning is confusing. How are you going to admit that racism exist and then deny it's effect.
This post was edited on 9/2/16 at 10:02 am
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
71183 posts
Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:59 am to
I'll be the first to say that they obviously have it much better. But I think you're fighting a losing battle if you think they'll just forget. There needs to be political reform from the war on drugs as well. I mentioned this in my last post.

I think it's fricked up to say you can't protest if you're not in the shoes of the people your protesting for too. Sometimes the ones not from the streets are the only ones with the platform to do anything. Just because you've been blessed doesn't mean you shoud have to play dumb.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 9/2/16 at 10:00 am to
See you are wrong here, they aren't getting that treatment for being black. They are getting it for being poor. A poor white kid from the trailer park will have the same shite defense as a black from the hood.

If you want to act like jail is oppressing, that is fine but it oppresses by income not color.

Also dems policies of rewarding single mothers and the like turn more young blacks into criminals.

So it's a policy issue and an income issue
Posted by 12
Redneck part of Florida
Member since Nov 2010
19143 posts
Posted on 9/2/16 at 10:01 am to
Why does LSU hate America?
Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2014
13734 posts
Posted on 9/2/16 at 10:01 am to
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Your reasoning is confusing. How are you going to admit that racism exist and then deny it's affect.


Individual people of every race are racist. Our society is not racist. Every race has the right to better themselves by just getting an education.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
71183 posts
Posted on 9/2/16 at 10:02 am to
I almost brought that portion of the national anthem up earlier but decided against it because it seemed like a rabbit hole even I didn't want to go down. Not here. Have fun with that.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
71183 posts
Posted on 9/2/16 at 10:04 am to
I understand it's poor people, not just black folks. But here are far more poor black folks than any other race in this country (legally anyways) so poor and black are damn near synonymous.
This post was edited on 9/2/16 at 10:05 am
Posted by piggilicious
Member since Jan 2011
37309 posts
Posted on 9/2/16 at 10:04 am to
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that racism exist


'Exists', Dumbro.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
71183 posts
Posted on 9/2/16 at 10:06 am to
Sigh

I know what I said. I've said multiple times now that everyone has the right to protest. And how people react to it is within their rights as well. I don't know where the disconnect here is, man.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
grinding for my grinders
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Posted on 9/2/16 at 10:06 am to
No one that is crying about oppression has actually lived through any of the actual oppression. Kap and Reid are what 30? They were born 20 years or more after the last seperate water fountains. They don't remember 30 years from before they existed.

My policy before bitching about outside forces is do all you can for yourself. If I don't get a job I don't go off the rails blaming outside forces.

I'm fine with protest that have a real reason. Reid is way off base. The police shooting criminals isn't oppression.

Reid and kap as the voice of oppression is a joke. Those two have had more privallage than most. They wouldn't have survived where some of the 80s da U players lived.
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