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re: Which coaches are getting fired at the end of the year?
Posted on 8/26/16 at 3:25 pm to Ham Solo
Posted on 8/26/16 at 3:25 pm to Ham Solo
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Go back and watch tape. We had so many holes it was crazy. The position that we did have a player we had zero depth. It was bad
Kinda like the year Dooley didn't sign a single offensive lineman? Yeah, ive heard it all.
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Posted on 8/26/16 at 3:31 pm to Ham Solo
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And he seemed like a good hire at the start.
WHAT?
Posted on 8/26/16 at 3:35 pm to VolInBavaria
Miles if LSU finds some money. Malzahn and possibly Freeze.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 3:38 pm to texag7
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quote:then maybe yall could beat LSU
Miles
Posted on 8/26/16 at 3:42 pm to BHMKyle
Taking out their contest against each other last season, both Butch Jones and Bielema have faced 14 teams that finished ranked in the Final AP Poll.... and actually for both, the average ranking of those opponents was #10.64
I'd say those schedules have been pretty even.
I'd say those schedules have been pretty even.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 3:46 pm to lsufball19
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ok, well Bert also has fewer wins over the past 3 seasons, unless you think Bert should be credited with more leeway in comparison to Butch. And two of Bert's losses are getting beat by Toledo and blown out by TTU, as well as all of his SEC games his first year and six of them his second
Bielema gets a lot more leeway than Butch. Really, look at the state of the other power programs in the SEC East during his entire tenure-- the best team he's had to contend with is, generally, a Georgia winding down the Richt era.
Bielema's split with Tech, lost a P5 road game to Rutgers, and the loss to Toledo does hurt-- but it is largely mitigated by winning the two bowl games against P5 conference teams very handily, and winning back to back against the best teams Ole Miss has been able to field, and the borderline contender LSU.
The 'He Lost To Toledo!' bit gets bandied about a lot, but it generally just demonstrates how little attention people pay-- Toledo wasn't a *bad* team. They just weren't a P5 team. Florida catches a ton less flack for a loss to Georgia Southern under similar circumstances, despite being perceived as a better program.
The recruiting argument doesn't hold up to scrutiny either, when trying to claim Petrino had left more on hand-- his classes were built on bulk signings of skill position players, most of whom worked out of the program or left even before he did-- and his other high points were a couple of linemen who washed out of the program before BB's second year. Tennessee had a much stronger talent base from which to work, against significantly worse competition.
That doesn't mean BB is immune from criticism; he's likely to hear a lot of it, even at 8 wins before a bowl game. The muttering will really be loud, if they come out of the gate 2-2 this year, as well-- he can't afford another slow start.
It'd take a truly catastrophic year-- 4 or 5 wins-- to make his job be in question.
This post was edited on 8/26/16 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 8/26/16 at 3:49 pm to Freezus22
quote:I think Alleva Screwed that up for good.
If LSU goes 8-4 out goes Les and in comes Jimbo
Posted on 8/26/16 at 3:53 pm to atlgamecockman
How bad would Kentucky have to be for Stoops to get fired? I think they'll make a bowl. They have some good players and he's been recruiting great for UK standards.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 3:59 pm to VFL1800FPD
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What about TTU and Toledo?
What about 'em? You lost to a team that lost to them. And in a borderline erotic fashion to boot. You don't get the rights to troll us about those losses when we beat you the same year we lost to them.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 4:01 pm to whatkindanameiskirby
Could be a lot of them.
Les Miles, Kevin Sumlin, and Gus Malzahn are the ones I think stand the best chance of being fired.
And Nick Saban may quit.
Les Miles, Kevin Sumlin, and Gus Malzahn are the ones I think stand the best chance of being fired.
And Nick Saban may quit.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 4:02 pm to Ham Solo
Always an excuse. If writers have us low in the standings, there is an excuse. Recruits don't pan out, excuses. Finish with lower than expected wins, excuses. It's time for next year to finally show up.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 4:04 pm to Choctaw
You must have a radar for anything remotely related to Les Miles being fired.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 4:14 pm to whatkindanameiskirby
Sumlin 75%
Malzahn 60%
Miles 25%
Stoops 20% (Should be 100%.)
Malzahn 60%
Miles 25%
Stoops 20% (Should be 100%.)
Posted on 8/26/16 at 4:19 pm to JoJoDolphinus
Plus a harder path to the National Title.....
I also think that firing a coach as successful as Miles would scare prospective coaches away.
I also think that firing a coach as successful as Miles would scare prospective coaches away.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 4:21 pm to Arksulli
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And in a borderline erotic fashion to boot.
a 4 point win gets your rocks off? Whatever man
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You don't get the rights to troll us about those losses when we beat you the same year we lost to them.
I can do whatever the hell I want
We didn't show up to play that day. ya'll straight up beat us. It sucks, it happens. But TTU and Toledo
This post was edited on 8/26/16 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 8/26/16 at 4:31 pm to BoardReader
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Really, look at the state of the other power programs in the SEC East during his entire tenure-- the best team he's had to contend with is, generally, a Georgia winding down the Richt era.
look at the teams from the west tennessee has played. look at the teams OOC Butch has played. look at Arkansas' record against the East if you're trying to use that as a crutch for Butch
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The 'He Lost To Toledo!' bit gets bandied about a lot
because arkansas had no business losing to them at home or at all
quote:you want to knock Butch for the east being down. do you think his east opponents are any worse than freaking toledo? can't have it both ways
They just weren't a P5 team
quote:Butch entered into a similar situation. dooley went an entire recruiting cycle without signing a single OL
his classes were built on bulk signings of skill position players, most of whom worked out of the program or left even before he did
quote:i know you believe this, but i just disagree with it
Tennessee had a much stronger talent base from which to work, against significantly worse competition.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 4:33 pm to BoardReader
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Bielema gets a lot more leeway than Butch.
Bc you and your fans have terrible expectations
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Bielema's split with Tech, lost a P5 road game to Rutgers, and the loss to Toledo does hurt-- but it is largely mitigated by winning the two bowl games against P5 conference teams very handily
Here we go again. You're giving props to Bert for something that Butch has done too(and in a more convincing fashion against better opponents).
Bowl Games - opponents - Score
Bert
Liberty Bowl vs K-State (6-7) 45-23
Texas Bowl vs Texas (6-7) 31-7
total points for/against: 76-30 (opp record: 12-14)
Butch
Outback Bowl vs #22 Northwestern (10-3) 45-6
Taxslayer Bowl vs Iowa (7-6) 45-28
total points for/against: 90-34 (opp record: 17-9)
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The 'He Lost To Toledo!' bit gets bandied about a lot, but it generally just demonstrates how little attention people pay-- Toledo wasn't a *bad* team. They just weren't a P5 team. Florida catches a ton less flack for a loss to Georgia Southern under similar circumstances, despite being perceived as a better program
You both deserve flak. You both lost to G5 teams. Shouldn't happen in the SEC
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The recruiting argument doesn't hold up to scrutiny either, when trying to claim Petrino had left more on hand-- his classes were built on bulk signings of skill position players, most of whom worked out of the program or left even before he did-- and his other high points were a couple of linemen who washed out of the program before BB's second year. Tennessee had a much stronger talent base from which to work, against significantly worse competition.
This all goes out the window when you consider that Dooley didn't recruit a single offensive lineman in the 2012 cycle. Skill positions? come on
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It'd take a truly catastrophic year-- 4 or 5 wins-- to make his job be in question.
I just feel bad for you that its his 4th year and you wouldn't want him fired if he went 6-6
This post was edited on 8/26/16 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 8/26/16 at 4:36 pm to BowlJackson
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How bad would Kentucky have to be for Stoops to get fired? I think they'll make a bowl. They have some good players and he's been recruiting great for UK standards.
5-7 likely makes his seat very, very hot. At this point people want a bowl game with what he's recruited.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 4:37 pm to BowlJackson
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How bad would Kentucky have to be for Stoops to get fired? I think they'll make a bowl. They have some good players and he's been recruiting great for UK standards.
I think Kentucky will win at least 7 regular season games. Stoops isn't going anywhere.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 4:39 pm to VFL1800FPD
Dude, no matter what you say to try and disparage Bret Bielema, he beat Tennessee on the road last year.
STFU
STFU
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