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Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:48 am to K9
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fricking stout. Ramsey said Bauta had the best arm on the team, and that he (Ramsey) would probably never be able to match Bauta's arm strength no matter how hardhe trained, worked out etc. Said something about superior genes...
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Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:48 am to Spaceman Spiff
Ramsey gets called in first against the scrubs because he needs more work.
Bauta will be the one playing in the big games and getting his own package.
Bauta will be the one playing in the big games and getting his own package.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:51 am to K9
If you say so...
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:51 am to WG_Dawg
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yet in both games someone has spelled mason, Ramsey has been off the bench first..
In WWI the US refused to equip it's soldiers with the Browning Automatic Rifle. It was so advanced, so unbelievable, so threatening that they believed this weapon was better kept at home than possibly giving the Germans the technology.
It was then used in WWII with great effectiveness.
Are there any parallels here? I don't know...
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:54 am to Damn Good Dawg
Germans
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:05 am to Spunky
Look, I just hope everyone on here doubting is prepared to Faton for their sins. I'm not Bauta be damned for eternity because I associated with....doubters.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:05 am to Damn Good Dawg
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prepared to Faton for their sins
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:12 am to Damn Good Dawg
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This. And I have been making the JT III = Mason comparison too
Bro, come on, you were one of the ones hyping Mason over Murray a couple years back. This REALLY just goes to show how the back up is always the most popular
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:14 am to K9
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fricking stout.
That's not what I've heard. On Seth and Gentry's podcast from Sunday, they were saying that his arm is about where Mason's is. Ramsey has the best arm on the team by a long-shot. Best we've had since Staffdaddy.
At least that's what they've said from watching practices.
But don't get me wrong, I'm 100% on the Bauta Express. I just love a QB who is tough as nails and able to pick up yards on the ground.
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 11:17 am
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:18 am to gatorhata9
Yea... I'll admit I was wrong about that. I liked the rhythm that he had. I was quick to jump the gun. I liked the idea of a guy who was quick with the ball and frankly I thought he kind of lived up to it to a degree last year. What I didn't account for was that his arm strength was less than I anticipated and that his confidence was so easily broken.
To be honest for a sec I can post the text I sent my buddy up north on why UGA won't replace Mason and why they shouldn't. I understand everything that has been said by each side. The text is long as shite though so that'd be on yall.
But he basically is JT III. He just doesn't have a Stafford behind him.
ETA: And my buddy still wasn't convinced by my text haha. He made some good points that have really left me at this: Mason may not be the QB we need but we dunno if the other two will really do any better and as many positives as they provide they provide a lot of negatives. I posted on another site that Clemson with Stoudt was choosing lower highs and higher lows over Watson but Watson still provided more. Watson is an outlier. Not everyone has that on the bench.
To be honest for a sec I can post the text I sent my buddy up north on why UGA won't replace Mason and why they shouldn't. I understand everything that has been said by each side. The text is long as shite though so that'd be on yall.
But he basically is JT III. He just doesn't have a Stafford behind him.
ETA: And my buddy still wasn't convinced by my text haha. He made some good points that have really left me at this: Mason may not be the QB we need but we dunno if the other two will really do any better and as many positives as they provide they provide a lot of negatives. I posted on another site that Clemson with Stoudt was choosing lower highs and higher lows over Watson but Watson still provided more. Watson is an outlier. Not everyone has that on the bench.
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Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:22 am to Damn Good Dawg
It's quite obvious he doesn't have a laser, rocket arm but like I said earlier I'm anxious to see what happens with JSW and MM come back.
Someone elsewhere pointed out after rewatching eveyr throw HM made against UT that for basically every pass (or hell, it might have been EVERY pass) they were playing man coverage. That's kinda odd in college. Mason is definitely more of a Greene-like precision guy, so not having any pass plays in zone doesn't help. Also, I love bennett and Conley to death but those guys aren't really what you want on teh outside in man coverage beating DBs. You get them in space or throw back shoulder to them. JSW especially, and MM as well, are your outside guys that will beat corners 1v1. Mason has had what, 1.5 game out of 6 1/2 played with 1 of those guys (JSW), and 0 with both of them.
Someone elsewhere pointed out after rewatching eveyr throw HM made against UT that for basically every pass (or hell, it might have been EVERY pass) they were playing man coverage. That's kinda odd in college. Mason is definitely more of a Greene-like precision guy, so not having any pass plays in zone doesn't help. Also, I love bennett and Conley to death but those guys aren't really what you want on teh outside in man coverage beating DBs. You get them in space or throw back shoulder to them. JSW especially, and MM as well, are your outside guys that will beat corners 1v1. Mason has had what, 1.5 game out of 6 1/2 played with 1 of those guys (JSW), and 0 with both of them.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:24 am to gatorhata9
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That's not what I've heard. On Seth and Gentry's podcast from Sunday, they were saying that his arm is about where Mason's is. Ramsey has the best arm on the team by a long-shot. Best we've had since Staffdaddy.
idk if you read the rest of my post, but it was tongue-in-cheek.
I have no clue how strong the guy's arm is...Ramsey did say that Faton had a strong arm too though, I'm pretty sure. Bauta is a guy I want leading a team though. I like the cut of his jib.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:38 am to WG_Dawg
Great points. Ok here was my text. I know there some mistakes (the 2001 QB) and I typed it at like 11:30 last night so forgive me
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I’ll give you credit, -----. You called Mason’s inadequacy early. You did. I didn’t want to believe it. I didn’t think he was great. I didn’t think he was physically gifted. But i thought he could be like David Greene, another who lacked athleticism and arm strength. His brilliance made him one of the winningest QBs going. And having a defense. What we have discovered is that in addition to having a noodle arm Mason also lacks confidence.
The benefits he provided was experience, maturity, and the fact he wouldn’t lose games for us. Between his “grounding” at USCe, his horrible decisions vs UT, his inability to go beyond 10 yards, his fumbled snaps, his quick feet (despite not being a run threat) has proven that Mason not only isn’t good: he’s becoming a problem. He may be Richt’s worst QB. I think that is still Joe Tereshinski but Mason is just like JT III.
Neither one had the arm to be great and neither had the head to be good. Cox sucked. Was just horrible. But he could stretch a defense. He’d throw an INT every other series but he could get the ball to the WRs. But, hell, ---, you knew all this. You knew it all along. Outsiders saw these issues. But here’s the issue: he wasn’t this bad last year. UK doesn’t count cause Mason came in up 28. GT he started very slow but he brought the team back. Team was low on weapons but he did it. Nebraska he started even worse but showed a ton of heart bringing back a team that had given up on 2013. Only reason we lost was Lynch dropping the 4th down pass. Both games Mason threw it close to 40 times and he hit 300 or just below both times.
We thought we had a decent option. But what we didn’t notice was that it takes Mason 40 passes to get there. UGA had become pretty reliant on the pass toward the end of the year. Mediocre OL, hurt WRs, a hobbled (and 250 lb) Gurley and two freshman RBs. This year Mason hasn’t thrown more than 25. And he has yet to eclipse 200. Some want to point to him losing JSW and MM (both back this weekend) but ATL radio host Matt Chernoff made an excellent point: Georgia has never needed WRs to make the passing game work. We have always relied on a studly QB. So the miracle isn’t coming. Georgia is now entirely reliant on the nation’s best RB, probably best player, for it’s offense. And somehow it’s working. Without Gurley this team is 6-6. So why, you say, not play Ramsey? Others ask why not Bauta? Idiots ask why not Jacob Park?
I’ll tell you several reasons of why he won’t be benched.
1) Mark Richt doesn’t just bench players. Especially if they are 3-1 and the SEC East is on the table. Richt benched Phillips (i think?) for Greene because he sucked arse. 2006 is the only other time he has done it. JT III got hurt vs USCe and he put in Stafford. Stafford won. Stafford the next few weeks was pretty mediocre. UT came to town and JT III came back. What proceeded was a quick start to get up 21-10. Then all hell broke loose. JT III was powerless to score while the georgia defense eroded to a point of no return and we lost 51-33 on the national stage. JT III was benched for Stafford then. Then Stafford played Colorado and was horrid. We were down 13-7 all game. And this is Dan Hawkins Colorado. The worst Colorado. Joe Cox comes off the bench to throw a TD with 30 secs left to win 14-13. Joe Cox then starts vs Ole Miss. He is horrible. Stafford comes in. Last time a QB was benched at Georgia. People wanted to burn Murray’s RS for Cox. Never happened.
Reason 2: Bauta doesn’t run the offense we run or he isn’t really bred to do it. Bauta is more of a Tebow kind of player. Bobo would have to redesign the offense. Bobo won’t do that. Bauta can’t flourish in what we run. His arm isn’t that great. He isn’t athletic enough to justify it. I like Bauta. I really do. He’ll never start at UGA.
Reason #3: Brice Ramsey isn’t ready. I am not even convinced this kid will be good in the future. He was pretty well recruited. Saban wanted him. He was a 4 star. The entire time he got this hype he was actually running the wing T in south GA. Rumor has it that mama ramsey went to the HS HC and told him to start throwing more for little Brice or they were leaving. And they did. I just haven't felt he was ready. And he’s not. Ramsey barely beat out Bauta. He has a cannon but he has incredibly raw mechanics. He guns passes in to double coverage. He stares down guys just like Mason. He has practically no touch. He probably doesn’t even know the full playbook. He’s not just trying to learn Georgia’s offense still he’s still trying to learn how to be a pro style QB.
Reason #4: Neither Bauta nor Ramsey is ready and Georgia is 3-1. We control our destiny in the SEC East. We have Todd Gurley. Is this really the time to look to the future? Why would you waste Gurley on a QB who’s gonna throw 3 ints a game? This defense can’t handle a new starter. The damn is already breaking with an ineffective Mason. If we start hemorrhaging the ball then there is no hope.
Final Reason: The grass isn’t always greener. The most popular player on any team is the back up QB. People wanted Mason to take over for Murray. Now they want Ramsey. In a world where coaches like Les Miles and Dabo Swinney stick to their guys too long it makes sense. Why can’t UGA do that? Well, idk if LSU has their guy but Georgia doesn’t have a Deshaun Watson. We just don’t. UGA fans have been spoiled by QBs. We really have. We expect there is another stud ready at Georgia. Simply put...we don’t have anyone to put in. You think it’s bad now? It can get worse.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:40 am to K9
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idk if you read the rest of my post, but it was tongue-in-cheek.
I caught that WAY after the fact and didn't feel like going back and editing again
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I like the cut of his jib.
Ditto
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:58 am to Damn Good Dawg
jesus christ that is a long text
bro...
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Bauta can’t flourish in what we run. His arm isn’t that great. He isn’t athletic enough to justify it. I like Bauta. I really do. He’ll never start at UGA.
bro...
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:06 pm to Damn Good Dawg
I agree with that assessment.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:07 pm to K9
IM COMVERTED!
And, yea, people have learned to not discuss UGA with me if they don't feel like reading
And, yea, people have learned to not discuss UGA with me if they don't feel like reading
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:08 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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1) Mark Richt doesn’t just bench players
I agree with points 2-4 (especially 2-4), but I gotta slightly disagree here. Even if the black and white text I quoted is sorta accurate, there's far more to it than that. There is no precedent in the past 13 years for what we have now. Plus, richt HAS benched players.
-2001 was Richt's first year, so the QB comp was a clean slate for everybody. And although Phillips was a statmonster he was still nothing really special. It was basically starting from scratch and greene won.
-02-04 there was no reason to give Shockely more reps than he got. I mean Greene was absolutely perfect for what we were doing, and obviously he went 42-10 so you kinda want that guy to play. However, he DID still give DJ reps in big games to get his feet wet. So we have shown that we'll let someone come in if we really like the dude (which this year, we have not done [troy doesn't count]). Also of note is that Greene hurt his thumb against tech in 2004 and DJ stunk up the joint, so we brought greene back in to win. So Richt has shown that he'll yank someone if needed.
-2005 it was always DJ
-2006 we started Joe T because it was absolutely the right call. God reached down and afflicted his ankle in the 1st quarter of the second game so we had no choice but stafford. Stafford looked like horse shite, so we then yanked our future All Star for another freshman. Next week he sucked so we yanked him too. When JT was healthy he was back (rightfully so) and did pretty well against UT honestly, the defense not so much. When we ended up losing to vanderbilt, it was clear at that point we had nothing left to lose so we played stafford, as we should have. Let's also point out that stafford continued to suck arse until the AU game that year.
-07/08 obviously stafford
-09 Cox was the only option. Some people like to use hindsight by how good Murray eventually became, but 2013 murray wasn't going to be the same player as 2009 Murray. More importantly, he hurt his elbow in fall camp and couldn't even throw the football until October. We had no other options, plain and simple. You gonna burn murray's redshirt halfway through the year? Glad we didn't, or we wouldn't have had him last year.
-2010-2013 murray was the best we had, so we played him.
Which brings us to now. We have a 5th year senior, a promising freshman, and a seldom used soph. The senior is the only one with meaningful snaps (or starts). The soph hasn't played a single snap that meant something. The freshman has only played against a troy team we beat by 66, and he looked wildly inconsistent. There really hasn't been a situation similar to this one in the last 13 years. We're making the right call by playing mason. We'll beat vandy, but if we go on to lose to both missouri and arkansas...fine, play ramsey because why not? But as of now there simply is no point at all to bench him. We're trying to win games in 2014, not 2015. And I swear, I frickin SWEAR that if for some reason (let's say hm got injured next week) ramsey had to play a full game, yall would be begging for mason to come back.
You said it before, mason has lower highs but higher lows, which is fine for now considering our run game and improving defense. We don't need someone that can throw it 60 yards but also throws 3 picks.
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:19 pm to WG_Dawg
I definitely could have framed that point better by saying richt also hasn't needed to and they've made the right QB most the time. The only time I ever disagreed was cox but having Murray RS was ultimately the right move. It's just also hard for me to not knock richt at least once
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