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re: A retrospective look at Longhorn fans' initial reactions to the SEC Network

Posted on 8/7/14 at 1:52 pm to
Posted by AgCoug
Houston
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 8/7/14 at 1:52 pm to
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That guy threw for 4TDs and helped Texas score 66 points on Ole Miss the year he played.


Different years, different teams. Can you compare say Auburn two years ago to last season? Yeah, I think it's probably true that Ash is better than McCoy, but there's no reason to think Ole Miss still wouldn't have won that game. Didn't they win by three TDs or so?
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 8/7/14 at 1:57 pm to
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A question for the Aggies about the LHN......why did they think a channel that focuses on only one team would be viable?


They never expected it to be a money maker. Originally it was going to be a money drain for exposure and marketing. It started as an idea of a "Texas" network, and they came to us to go in on it. We didn't like the fact it was a money drain and said no but they went forward.

ESPN came along and noticed that UT was connected by law to the state's high school football system, the UIL, so they gave them a boatload of money with the intention of using them as a way to make a strong regional network. ESPN figured that between Texas football, high school football (LHN contract says Texas must to everything it can to help get the high school championship on the channel), and Texas Tech football they could make some money.

Then the NCAA shot down everything related to high school athletes, and Texas Tech said "I don't care what it costs us, go frick yourselves." Texas and ESPN were left with a stillborn network that kept together a stillborn conference. Though some think that ESPN did that on purpose, and is paying off Texas to keep them out of the PAC (which owns its network 100%).

Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:02 pm to
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A question for the Aggies about the LHN......why did they think a channel that focuses on only one team would be viable? Are they that arrogant or was there some sort of business plan that made it seem like a good idea?


The UIL (University Interscholastic League), which oversees all Texas High School Athletics, operates out of texas' campus.

Yes, you read that right...the offices of the governing body for all Texas high school sports are run out of t.u.

ESPN and t.u. were counting on the NCAA not to notice the use of that network to control which high school games were broadcast and which weren't in the state of Texas. When the network vice president arrogantly blurted out (paraphrased) that they were going to make it a point to show games highlighting longhorn commits, even those out of state, and word got back to A&M, they brought it to the NCAA's attention. Less than a month later, A&M's board of regents allowed Loftin to explore the possibility of moving conferences.
Posted by timbo
Red Stick, La.
Member since Dec 2011
7351 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:31 pm to
That whole LHN is just so arrogant. And I don't know why ESPN wanted to be a part of it. Seems like it would create a huge headache and jealousy from other huge schools. Like you know damn well the heads of Ohio State/Michigan/Notre Dame called ESPN screaming "WTF?!? Why don't we get our own network?"
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:34 pm to
I 100% guarantee that this will be left out of documentaries or books written on the subject, because the media is all Horn-lovers, but the spark that lit the fire, the day A&M decided it had had enough, was when some ESPN VP got on the radio and bragged about broadcasting Longhorn commits' high school games on the LHN and what a recruiting advantage that'd be for them. That's what woke the big cigars at A&M from their slumber. That's the moment we collectively decided that even if it meant losing the fame against them we were out, come hell or high water. That blowhard's radio bragging was the great "frick this" moment for us.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44041 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:34 pm to
Well, it destroyed a conference.
And it's becoming a big-time liability for the horns, in terms of exposure, PR, and leverage for any future conference moves.
It was a grade-A screw-up; most horns would say so.

The Law of the Harvest, right?
We reap what we sow.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:39 pm to
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you know damn well the heads of Ohio State/Michigan/Notre Dame called ESPN screaming "WTF?!? Why don't we get our own network?"


Maybe Notre Dame...the others have huge egos but don't quite have the unmitigated hubris to think they could spite their conference mates outright in such fashion AND provide enough viable content.

This was a grave overreach on texas' part from the get-go.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34342 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 3:55 pm to
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but the spark that lit the fire, the day A&M decided it had had enough, was when some ESPN VP got on the radio and bragged about broadcasting Longhorn commits' high school games on the LHN and what a recruiting advantage that'd be for them.


Actually I personally think it was the day Spadilly got a copy of the LHN contract.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58133 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 4:01 pm to
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A question for the Aggies about the LHN......why did they think a channel that focuses on only one team would be viable? Are they that arrogant or was there some sort of business plan that made it seem like a good idea?


well they originally thought that they were going to be able to air Texas high school football games which would have probably caused it to be on nearly every cable/satellite system in Texas.


I kind of wonder if they will try to do that again now that the P5 have decided to essentially break off from the NCAA to make their own rules.
Posted by AUCatfish
How are yah now?
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 8/7/14 at 4:21 pm to
Thanks for the answers guys.
Posted by Bamatab
Member since Jan 2013
15112 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 4:34 pm to
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Well, it destroyed a conference.
And it's becoming a big-time liability for the horns, in terms of exposure, PR, and leverage for any future conference moves.
It was a grade-A screw-up; most horns would say so.

The Law of the Harvest, right?
We reap what we sow.

What puzzles my even more is that after you Aggies bolted to a far superior conference, with far more exposure and now far more tv revenue, the sips (and OU, which is also puzzling) decided to handcuff themselves to a severely diminished conference when they signed the grant of rights. Now if they try and go to the Pac 12 (which they should've just went ahead and done back when they tried to take the whole Big 12 south over there) or some other conference, they lose their tv rights. They left themselves no room to maneuver with the decisions they made.
This post was edited on 8/7/14 at 4:35 pm
Posted by BhamBengal
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2012
2476 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 4:38 pm to
What's all that money worth when in the end you're still just an arrogant count of a person??
Posted by townestoldme2
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2012
499 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 4:39 pm to
OU and OSU tried to go to the pac on their own, but pac didn't want OSU
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34342 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 4:40 pm to
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the sips (and OU, which is also puzzling) decided to handcuff themselves to a severely diminished conference when they signed the grant of rights. Now if they try and go to the Pac 12 (which they should've just went ahead and done back when they tried to take the whole Big 12 south over there) or some other conference, they lose their tv rights. They left themselves no room to maneuver with the decisions they made.


That was Mizzou's fault. Mizzou kinda forced them to do it to even consider staying and then bolted anyway.

So yay for Mizzou.
Posted by townestoldme2
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2012
499 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 4:40 pm to
Texas had to stay put because the Pac didn't want Baylor or Tech. It was the perfect storm
Posted by Bogie00
Tiger in Kansas
Member since Apr 2012
5704 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 4:41 pm to
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well they originally thought that they were going to be able to air Texas high school football games which would have probably caused it to be on nearly every cable/satellite system in Texas.


No doubt that would bring " The Eyes of Texas," But even ut hubris can't really believe the rest of America would give a flying phuck!
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58133 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 4:43 pm to
this is all you need to know about the mindset at Texas



Posted by Mizz-SEC
Inbred Huntin' In The SEC
Member since Jun 2013
19258 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 5:17 pm to
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For them the realization that Bevo has sank yet another conference, is setting in and it's only a matter of time before they are either the next pseudo-Notre Dame like, indie or they are going to eat a big piece of humble pie and go hat in hand, knocking at the door of the PAC/B1G.


Here's an opinion piece which speculates the SEC Network's success will prompt ESPN to buy Texas out early on the LHN and send them with their tail between their legs to the PAC.

A very good read for folks who'd like to see them eat shite. LINK
Posted by olemc999
At a blackjack table
Member since Oct 2010
13327 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 5:30 pm to
Thanks for posting the link. No wonder Mizzou and TAMU left the Big 12.
Posted by Mizz-SEC
Inbred Huntin' In The SEC
Member since Jun 2013
19258 posts
Posted on 8/7/14 at 5:35 pm to
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I 100% guarantee that this will be left out of documentaries or books written on the subject


It'll be in R. Bowen Loftin's book.

And what the hell happened to his book? I went to Amazon to look at it and the link is gone.

Then I see this story... LINK





Loftin turns to independent publisher after A&M press no longer in mix for SEC book

Posted on August 5, 2014 | BY BRENT ZWERNEMAN

COLLEGE STATION – I’ve been fortunate to have a front-row seat to Texas A&M history the past three years – specifically the history of the Aggies’ bolting the Big 12 and entering the Southeastern Conference.

There were a handful of us in the lobby of the A&M regents meeting room three years ago this summer, when then-A&M president R. Bowen Loftin informed us the Big 12 was in a state of “uncertainty” based on the new Longhorn Network – and it’s been a whirlwind since.

The Aggies’ 20-6 record in the SEC under coach Kevin Sumlin, too, has added to that whirlwind, and all of the above is why I was champing to order not one but two copies of Loftin’s “The 100-Year Decision: Texas A&M and the SEC,” written with noted A&M author Rusty Burson.

The book was supposed to hit the shelves this summer through the Texas A&M University Press, but on Monday I received an email from amazon: “We’re still trying to obtain the following item[s] you ordered on May 19, 2014.”

Turns out, the university press is no longer publishing the book, and why is a mystery. Charles Backus, press director, referred any questions to the university provost office. The provost spokesman, Chad Wootton, is out of the country and was unavailable for immediate comment on Tuesday.

Loftin, one of the architects of the SEC move, is now Missouri chancellor. Burson, a vice president and associate editor of the 12th Man Magazine, said an agreement has been reached with an independent publisher and they hope to have the book out some time in September. Burson declined to speculate why the university press is no longer publishing the book.

In any case, I suspect it’s a fascinating read, as Loftin recounts the incredible past three years of A&M’s move to the SEC – it’s simply a fascinating read that’s mysteriously been delayed for a bit.
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