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re: Alabama Governor: Use Education Funds for Industrial Recruitment

Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:02 pm to
Posted by Duke
Twin Lakes, CO
Member since Jan 2008
35689 posts
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:02 pm to
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The only way to fix the problem is re-writing the state constitution,


That's fantastic. Can't amend it to eliminate all the earmarks?

Louisiana isn't much better fwiw.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:07 pm to
It's been a while since I took an Alabama history/civics course, but pretty much any problem with the Alabama government can be tied back to the way the constitution is written. I even forgot why it was written that way, but my guess is it had something to do with racism. It's currently at around 350,000 words.

One example of its dysfunction. Just about any new law that generates revenue requires a constitutional amendment. Even local taxes. So say Bug Tussle, AL wants to institute an occupational tax on people that work in the city, it has to be done through an amendment to the constitution.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:07 pm to
Alabama needs to get a state lottery and dedicate all monies to education. It's hard to believe Alabama and Mississippi are the only southern states without a lottery.
Posted by jbond
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2012
4939 posts
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:10 pm to
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I'm pretty sure is the largest in the country.

Try largest in the world
Posted by Duke
Twin Lakes, CO
Member since Jan 2008
35689 posts
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:17 pm to
That's almost unbelievable. I wouldn't believe it if I didn't spend my formative years in Alabama.

Yeah, it's time to scrap it. Riddle me this though, who's going to rewrite it? The state legislature? I set the O/U on Jesus references to 10.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:29 pm to
But Jindal, Film Tax Credits, Duck Dynasty, rabble rabble
Posted by Duke
Twin Lakes, CO
Member since Jan 2008
35689 posts
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:36 pm to
Are you a Freeman?
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:42 pm to
It'd have to be done via a constitutional convention, and yeah the legislature would be heavily involved. Even with the Jesus stuff, that's be better than the racism in the current one. Pretty sure the amendment requiring segregated schools is still there, even though it's no longer enforced.
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
20683 posts
Posted on 7/23/14 at 7:10 pm to
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racism in the current one. Pretty sure the amendment requiring segregated schools is still there, even though it's no longer enforced.



That stuff was stricken years ago, although it required a statewide vote.
Posted by PrivatePublic
Member since Nov 2012
17848 posts
Posted on 7/23/14 at 7:18 pm to
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I'd sincerly like to know how you justify using Education funding to recruit businesses when your state has ranked at the bottom of education data for decades?


Because your state has ranked at the bottom for decades because there are few major businesses that provide lucrative jobs and income taxes to provide for education because your state ranks at the bottom in education.

It's a vicious cycle, and the only way to break it is to focus on one end and get that rolling, and hopefully the cycle swings the other way.
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90739 posts
Posted on 7/23/14 at 7:30 pm to
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87% of Alabama's revenue is bound by law to be used for specific purposes.




OMG.

That's an absolutely absurd way to budget. Is there not some recourse to fix that problem?


Yes, but less corruption won't happen. The reason everything is earmarked, is because of the way the Constitution is written and because there has been so much corruption. And as stated above, the AEA was a large deciding factor in who has been elected lately. The education system needs to be overhauled completely in this state, from elementary to colleges and the AEA needs to be nuked.
Posted by rootisback
Member since Mar 2014
3371 posts
Posted on 7/23/14 at 7:36 pm to
Hell, I hope the Mossad bend him over too!
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90739 posts
Posted on 7/23/14 at 7:36 pm to
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be tied back to the way the constitution is written. I even forgot why it was written that way, but my guess is it had something to do with racism. It's currently at around 350,000 words.


Carpet baggers and subvert U.S. Gov't by keeping control at the state level by not allowing counties to do anything unless approved by the entire state.
Posted by Govt Tide
Member since Nov 2009
9141 posts
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:45 pm to
I know a few friends with experience as state employees in Alabama who have become incredibly frustrated with the system. The legislature basically uses state employees as political pawns in their budget battles and the majority could care less about the working conditions of teachers and other state employees. I know people with college degrees that work for the state that make less, the same, or tiny fractions more AFTER merit promotions than they did 5 years ago when they were at a lower pay grade position. The state froze raises 5 years ago and basically people that are years into the system are stuck and will never get that earning power back. These are smart educated people with college degrees in many cases who could be doing something in the private sector but we're made many promises about great retirement, steady raises, and work conditions and wanted to serve their state. They are either forced to forego the retirement they were working towards or stay and do a job with an ever increasing workload due to more people giving up and leaving the system out of frustration and the constant disrespect for the job they do and politicians that play games with their livelihoods and in a few cases are openly resentful of state employees. Not only that, but it got to the point where where the one representative of state employees had to fight just to keep the legislature from forcing their insurance rates up and retirement benefits down and forcing furloughs on them. Meanwhile, the legislature votes themselves a pay raise for their part time jobs while patting themselves on the back for shrinking government.

They've gone from cutting the fat in this state to cutting muscle and bone and then wonder why state services are so poor. Hearing the stories was eye opening to someone who once dismissive of state employee complaints. I've been a Republican all my life but this state has gone past the point of rationality when it comes to funding education and basic services. They refuse to rewrite the Alabama Constitution and fund state government with a common sense tax structure that relies on more reliable funding sources that most other states do.
Posted by Feral
Member since Mar 2012
12499 posts
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:45 pm to
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This is why education is so important. We've reached a point in our society where people have no thoughts beyond what someone tells them they should believe. There's no deductive reasoning or critical thinking.


Exactly, and the saddest part about it is that information is more plentiful, accessible and available than at any point in human history, so there's quite literally no excuse for ignorance in the era of unending connectivity.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:55 pm to
Amen. It's just another example of how Republicans, not just in Alabama but across the country, have backed themselves into a corner on taxes. The mere mention of raising taxes, despite the possible need to raise them, gets one voted out of office with a swiftness.
Posted by Duke
Twin Lakes, CO
Member since Jan 2008
35689 posts
Posted on 7/23/14 at 9:01 pm to
We've gotten to a point with the hard right that the only solution is cutting government and taxes. Federally, there's still plenty of fat to cut and less government would probably be a more effective government.

Anyway, the answer isn't always cut government or more government. Why can't we be looking for better government?
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90739 posts
Posted on 7/23/14 at 10:22 pm to
More government is unaffordable and the current one is an albatross. I am one of those that want less and one who believes the private sector could do a much better job than the government in many instances, including education. Government creates many of the problems that plague the citizenry now. More government will never be the cure.
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 10:23 pm
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
41285 posts
Posted on 7/23/14 at 10:42 pm to
Up voted.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
99595 posts
Posted on 7/23/14 at 10:55 pm to
I've seen some private sector education situations where poor public schools have been turned over and in a lot of cases it hasn't been much better. Especially when it's a corporate guided charter school. I've found that due to lack of regulation their record keeping can be poor and some have the bad tendency of folding up when funding runs out.

More efficient government in education could work.
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