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Posted on 4/23/14 at 5:07 pm to Peter Buck
Posted on 4/23/14 at 5:07 pm to Peter Buck
Human and Organizational Development is also the most popular major at Vanderbilt among all students...once again, good or bad?Honestly not a leading question just getting your opinion.
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 5:41 pm to RD Dawg
Well, that is a very broad field with applicability to lots of different opportunities. I mean, it's basically the "business of doing things better," so you can apply HROD skills to just about any industry. Think of it as the business degree offered by the College of Education (at least it is at UGA).
Posted on 4/23/14 at 9:01 pm to mondegreen
Peter, I'm starting to get all yawny.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:31 pm to RD Dawg
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Human and Organizational Development is also the most popular major at Vanderbilt among all students...once again, good or bad?Honestly not a leading question just getting your opinion.
Its not about good or bad, what does that stat say to you when you see it?
How many kids in that major do you think were not special admits?
I am not here to bash only UGA. The fact that Vandy does it as well speaks volumes as a proof source supporting this tangent.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 10:40 am to Peter Buck
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that what I think PB is getting to is that UGA and other major universities not only encourage your typical joke of a class (Entymology in the early 90's anyone?) but have actually set up entire fields of study which are academically a joke and useless in the real world. This was done solely to give these "special admits" as he calls them as easy a path as possible and help bolster graduation rates and try to win games - thus adding to UGA coffers.
This would be a knock on the whole "you're getting a free education" argument as they're really not....unless you assign a value to a African American Studies or Organizational Development degree. Yes...these kids could become IT majors instead, but they're being guided by counselors who convince them this is their best option to stay eligible and still play fuball....even though essentially their degrees are worthless. These majors are useless and of no value to anyone...except those of us who want to see 5* athletes on the weekend that wouldn't be eligible any other way...and the SEC, Universities, etc. who cash in on the big TV deals and bowl money produced by putting the best talent out there on the fields every Sat.
I would go a step further and say that these programs also were formed to provide an avenue for Universities to keep the lotto scholarship and free flowing loan money coming in from kids who normally couldn't cut it in college as well. If you can stay in school for 4 yrs - tuition gets paid and the student doesn't have to consider whether his degree is worth the cost, as they're really not paying for it...(at least not until they try to find a job to pay back the loans).
How am I doing so far?
This would be a knock on the whole "you're getting a free education" argument as they're really not....unless you assign a value to a African American Studies or Organizational Development degree. Yes...these kids could become IT majors instead, but they're being guided by counselors who convince them this is their best option to stay eligible and still play fuball....even though essentially their degrees are worthless. These majors are useless and of no value to anyone...except those of us who want to see 5* athletes on the weekend that wouldn't be eligible any other way...and the SEC, Universities, etc. who cash in on the big TV deals and bowl money produced by putting the best talent out there on the fields every Sat.
I would go a step further and say that these programs also were formed to provide an avenue for Universities to keep the lotto scholarship and free flowing loan money coming in from kids who normally couldn't cut it in college as well. If you can stay in school for 4 yrs - tuition gets paid and the student doesn't have to consider whether his degree is worth the cost, as they're really not paying for it...(at least not until they try to find a job to pay back the loans).
How am I doing so far?
This post was edited on 4/24/14 at 10:44 am
Posted on 4/24/14 at 12:33 pm to SquatchDawg
Squatch, I think you have a pretty solid understanding of what is going on regardless if our opinions differ....
Posted on 4/24/14 at 12:35 pm to Peter Buck
UGA officials: Lower standards necessary for student-athletes
University's special admissions process in the spotlight
Posted: Sunday, April 20, 2003
By Kate Carter
kcarter@onlineathens.com
Despite their stated distaste for new, lower NCAA eligibility requirements for student-athletes, University of Georgia officials say they must use the lower admissions standards lest they lose competitive edge among other Southeastern Conference schools.
The widening gap between admissions requirements for students and those for student-athletes reveals sticky issues at UGA and other universities across the state and country. And the basketball scandal exposed by former basketball player Tony Cole, whose background UGA President Michael Adams said was not thoroughly vetted before he signed off on Cole's admission, has caused the university to tweak its policies concerning special admissions for athletes.
When students do not meet initial admissions requirements set by the university, they can be shuttled through the special admissions process, in which only the president can make the final decision whether to grant special admission. In the case of student-athletes, Adams has said recruits must meet NCAA eligibility requirements.
The new NCAA eligibility requirements allow student-athletes to score as low as a 400 on the SAT as long as they also have a 3.55 grade point average. The previous eligibility requirements set a minimum SAT score of 820, accompanied by a minimum 2.5 GPA.
''I don't like them, and I voted against them,'' said Adams. ''It doesn't mean that we're required (to accept the lowered standards), but it does mean that you have to take into consideration all of the competitive issues that go into being a member of the SEC.''
UGA Athletic Director Vince Dooley concurs.
''I was against (the new NCAA eligibility requirements),'' Dooley said. ''I did not like that because I do think there should be a base SAT score, and I think it helped an individual to prepare for (the SAT).''
Dooley said UGA could still require standards for athletic recruits more in line with the university-wide admissions standards, ''but then you're going to put yourself at an extreme competitive disadvantage - to go it alone, so to speak.''
The average SAT score for incoming freshmen at UGA last fall was 1215, while the average GPA was 3.71. The UGA Athletic Association no longer calculates average SAT scores and GPAs for each freshman class of athletes, but it does calculate academic performance of the student-athletes enrolled at the university.
Last semester, UGA athletes registered an average 2.58 GPA, with men's football and basketball coming in last place among the university's sports teams with average GPAs of 2.43 and 2.31, respectively. The overall student body had an average GPA of 3.07.
Likewise, while the graduation rate for UGA athletes finishing in spring 2001 registered at 60 percent, the graduation rate for the general student population that year was 69 percent.
Both Dooley and Adams recognize the tension between declining admissions standards for athletes and the university's rising admissions standards.
''I do know it's challenging to bring athletes in to compete in an atmosphere in which the standards are going higher and higher here,'' said Dooley. But he added that if athletes are held to the same admissions standards as other students, ''then we can't have an intercollegiate athletic program.''
One of the ways the university is dealing with the problem is to step up its academic counseling of student-athletes, said Dooley and Adams. The brand-new $6.7 million Rankin M. Smith Student-Athlete Academic Center, an academic facility for athletes located beside Stegeman Coliseum, is a physical emblem they point to when describing their commitment to making sure athletes perform well and graduate.
And Adams is quick to point out that only the failures - which are the exception - garner attention.
''While the unsuccessful situations do get a lot of press, and we've all been hurt by some of those, let's remember that last year we were second in the SEC in graduation rates and we've had some success stories there,'' he said. ''... With all fairness, we've had more successes than failures.''
Still, Adams said although he signs off on special admissions, he does not want the responsibility for vetting those prospective students. In the wake of Cole's problems at UGA - including being accused of a campus rape, although the charges were eventually dropped - Adams ruled the athletic director can no longer circumvent the Faculty Admissions Committee to directly appeal to the president in special admissions cases.
In the fall of 2001, right before classes began, Dooley appealed directly to Adams for the admission of a number of basketball recruits, including Tony Cole. Soon afterward, in a memo to Dooley dated Aug. 16, 2001, Adams wrote, ''I believe (sending all prospective student files to the Faculty Admissions Committee first) will help us both avoid potentially embarrassing situations and will ultimately be in the best interest of the students under consideration ... I know you don't want to put me in untenable admissions situations, as well.''
Adams said Friday his decision to avoid receiving direct appeals from folks in the Athletic Association was made ''after I'd had a series that not only included Tony Cole, but ... some others.''
Dooley said last week that coaches have marching orders to more closely check the reputation and character of recruits, noting that high school coaches, counselors, local media and hometown folks should be consulted to make sure there are no questionable circumstances in a recruit's past.
And Adams, although his approval is the final say on whether students gain special admission to the university, said he wants the responsibility of the background check placed squarely on the shoulders of the individual UGA coaches, and then the Faculty Admissions Committee.
''I get a little chagrined when people think I should have checked out, given what I do every day, the backgrounds of these students,'' he said. ''Someone who doesn't comport himself well should not end up on my desk.''
Adams said the fact that the number of special admits for athletes has fluctuated over the years has nothing to do with policies or calculated philosophies, but with the changing need for athletes from year to year.
''We've started some (new) women's teams the last two or three years - sometimes the numbers get impacted by that,'' he said. ''... It's probably unrealistic to expect those numbers to be the same every year.''
And now, as the spring semester winds down, the Athletic Association is just gearing up to shuttle its recruits through the admissions process. Since the beginning of the calendar year, Adams has granted special admissions to four athletes and 28 other students.
SPECIAL ADMITS
Special admissions, which includes admissions for athletes whose academic records do not otherwise qualify them for admission, spiked after President Michael Adams arrived at UGA in summer 1997. The number of special admissions for athletes then dropped significantly in 2002. Trouble with recent recruits - including former basketball player Tony Cole - led Adams to require all student-athletes to be reviewed first by the Faculty Admissions Committee.
Published in the Athens Banner-Herald on Sunday, April 20, 2003.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 12:44 pm to Peter Buck
Report: Exemptions benefit athletes
Updated: December 30, 2009, 1:07 PM ET
Associated Press
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If grades make you a long shot for college, you're much more likely to get a break if you can play ball.
An Associated Press review of admissions data submitted to the NCAA by most of the 120 schools in college football's top tier shows that athletes enjoy strikingly better odds of having admission requirements bent on their behalf.
The notion that college athletes' talents give them a leg up in the admissions game isn't a surprise. But in what NCAA officials called the most extensive review to date, the AP found the practice is widespread and can be found in every major conference.
The review identified at least 27 schools where athletes were at least 10 times more likely to benefit from special admission programs than students in the general population.
The NCAA defines special admissions programs as those designed for students who don't meet "standard or normal entrance requirements." The NCAA says such exceptions are fine as long as schools offer the same opportunities to everyone.
That group includes 2009 Bowl Championship Series teams Oregon, Georgia Tech and Alabama, which is playing Texas for the national title Jan. 7.
At Alabama, 19 football players got in as part of a special admissions program from 2004 to 2006, the most recent years available in the NCAA report. The school tightened its standards for "special admits" in both 2004 and 2007, but from 2004 through 2006, Crimson Tide athletes were still more than 43 times more likely to benefit from such exemptions.
Alabama coach Nick Saban offered no apologies.
"Some people have ability and they have work ethic and really never get an opportunity," he said. "I am really pleased and happy with the job that we do and how we manage our students here, and the responsibility and accountability they have toward academics and the success that they've had in academics."
The NCAA defines special admissions programs as those designed for students who don't meet "standard or normal entrance requirements." The NCAA says such exceptions are fine as long as schools offer the same opportunities to everyone from dancers, French horn players and under-represented minorities as they do to fleet-footed wide receivers and 300-pound offensive linemen.
Texas was one of seven schools that reported no use of special admissions, instead describing "holistic" standards that consider each applicant individually rather than relying on minimum test scores and grade-point averages.
But the school also acknowledged in its NCAA report that athletic recruits overall are less prepared. At Texas, the average SAT score for a freshman football player from 2003 to 2005 was 945 -- or 320 points lower than the typical first-year student's score on the entrance exam.
School officials did not make coach Mack Brown or athletic director DeLoss Dodds available to comment.
In all, 77 of the 92 Football Bowl Subdivision schools that provided information to the AP reported using special admissions waivers to land athletes and other students with particular talents. The AP spent three months obtaining and reviewing the reports through state public records laws.
Outside The Lines:
Admissions at Florida State
Earlier this month, former Florida State learning specialist Brenda Monk told ESPN The Magazine's Tom Farrey that during her time working with Seminoles student-athletes, more than a third of the football team and three-quarters of the basketball team had learning disabilities. Story | Watch
Ten schools did not respond to the AP's request and 18 other schools, including Notre Dame, Pittsburgh and USC, declined to release their reports. The reports do not identify specific students who benefited from admissions waivers, but they are identified by sport in many cases.
The NCAA sets minimum eligibility standards to compete once a student is in college, but leaves admissions decisions to individual schools and does not compare "special admits" across schools.
Kevin Lennon, NCAA vice president for academic and membership affairs, noted that NCAA schools face penalties, including losing scholarships, if athletes' graduation rates are too low or if they fail to show adequate progress toward a degree.
"While it's an institution's decision on who they bring in, we're most interested in what they do once they get there," he said. "And if they're not successful, there are consequences."
At California, one of the country's most selective public universities, Golden Bear football players were 43 times more likely to gain special admissions than non-athletes from 2002 to 2004.
"It doesn't matter to us if that student is a junior Olympian in taekwondo or the best oboe player in the United States or someone who can really run fast and jump high," said Walter Robinson, admissions director at Cal. "We still look at that student with the same consideration: Can that student be successful at Berkeley if admitted?"
While schools can tout the high graduation rates of athletes, they are not required to track the academic performance of special admits -- and few do.
Gerald Gurney, incoming president of the National Association of Academic Advisers for Athletics, favors a return by the NCAA to the minimum test score requirement abandoned several years ago. He said the NCAA's "virtually open admissions standards" threaten academic integrity.
"Special admissions, in and of itself, isn't something to be ashamed of. It does add value to a university," said Gurney, senior associate athletic director for academics and student life at Oklahoma. "However, when you have students who need such a great deal of remediation, it jeopardizes the very essence of the university."
Six schools besides Texas reported no use of special admissions on campus: Air Force, Connecticut, Kansas State, Purdue, Tennessee and Virginia.
The AP review also identified eight schools where athletes were no more likely than other students to get a break with special admissions: Arizona State, Arkansas State, Boise State, Iowa, Kent State, Mississippi State, New Mexico and West Virginia.
At South Carolina, All-American linebacker Eric Norwood recently graduated early with a bachelor's degree in criminal justice.
Norwood was twice denied admission to South Carolina before being accepted as a special admit. The school softened special admission standards in 2007 after coach Steve Spurrier threatened to quit when two recruits who met NCAA eligibility requirements were turned down.
"When I got here I applied myself," Norwood said. "I had great support from the academic staff, great support from the football staff. And my teammates, they held me accountable."
South Carolina athletic director Eric Hyman dismissed critics who call special admissions simply a way to land athletes.
"It's also a way to get better artists, better musicians," he said. "It's not all athletes. If you graduate, if your people are successful, there's going to be more flexibility. And that's what we've done."
Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press
Updated: December 30, 2009, 1:07 PM ET
Associated Press
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If grades make you a long shot for college, you're much more likely to get a break if you can play ball.
An Associated Press review of admissions data submitted to the NCAA by most of the 120 schools in college football's top tier shows that athletes enjoy strikingly better odds of having admission requirements bent on their behalf.
The notion that college athletes' talents give them a leg up in the admissions game isn't a surprise. But in what NCAA officials called the most extensive review to date, the AP found the practice is widespread and can be found in every major conference.
The review identified at least 27 schools where athletes were at least 10 times more likely to benefit from special admission programs than students in the general population.
The NCAA defines special admissions programs as those designed for students who don't meet "standard or normal entrance requirements." The NCAA says such exceptions are fine as long as schools offer the same opportunities to everyone.
That group includes 2009 Bowl Championship Series teams Oregon, Georgia Tech and Alabama, which is playing Texas for the national title Jan. 7.
At Alabama, 19 football players got in as part of a special admissions program from 2004 to 2006, the most recent years available in the NCAA report. The school tightened its standards for "special admits" in both 2004 and 2007, but from 2004 through 2006, Crimson Tide athletes were still more than 43 times more likely to benefit from such exemptions.
Alabama coach Nick Saban offered no apologies.
"Some people have ability and they have work ethic and really never get an opportunity," he said. "I am really pleased and happy with the job that we do and how we manage our students here, and the responsibility and accountability they have toward academics and the success that they've had in academics."
The NCAA defines special admissions programs as those designed for students who don't meet "standard or normal entrance requirements." The NCAA says such exceptions are fine as long as schools offer the same opportunities to everyone from dancers, French horn players and under-represented minorities as they do to fleet-footed wide receivers and 300-pound offensive linemen.
Texas was one of seven schools that reported no use of special admissions, instead describing "holistic" standards that consider each applicant individually rather than relying on minimum test scores and grade-point averages.
But the school also acknowledged in its NCAA report that athletic recruits overall are less prepared. At Texas, the average SAT score for a freshman football player from 2003 to 2005 was 945 -- or 320 points lower than the typical first-year student's score on the entrance exam.
School officials did not make coach Mack Brown or athletic director DeLoss Dodds available to comment.
In all, 77 of the 92 Football Bowl Subdivision schools that provided information to the AP reported using special admissions waivers to land athletes and other students with particular talents. The AP spent three months obtaining and reviewing the reports through state public records laws.
Outside The Lines:
Admissions at Florida State
Earlier this month, former Florida State learning specialist Brenda Monk told ESPN The Magazine's Tom Farrey that during her time working with Seminoles student-athletes, more than a third of the football team and three-quarters of the basketball team had learning disabilities. Story | Watch
Ten schools did not respond to the AP's request and 18 other schools, including Notre Dame, Pittsburgh and USC, declined to release their reports. The reports do not identify specific students who benefited from admissions waivers, but they are identified by sport in many cases.
The NCAA sets minimum eligibility standards to compete once a student is in college, but leaves admissions decisions to individual schools and does not compare "special admits" across schools.
Kevin Lennon, NCAA vice president for academic and membership affairs, noted that NCAA schools face penalties, including losing scholarships, if athletes' graduation rates are too low or if they fail to show adequate progress toward a degree.
"While it's an institution's decision on who they bring in, we're most interested in what they do once they get there," he said. "And if they're not successful, there are consequences."
At California, one of the country's most selective public universities, Golden Bear football players were 43 times more likely to gain special admissions than non-athletes from 2002 to 2004.
"It doesn't matter to us if that student is a junior Olympian in taekwondo or the best oboe player in the United States or someone who can really run fast and jump high," said Walter Robinson, admissions director at Cal. "We still look at that student with the same consideration: Can that student be successful at Berkeley if admitted?"
While schools can tout the high graduation rates of athletes, they are not required to track the academic performance of special admits -- and few do.
Gerald Gurney, incoming president of the National Association of Academic Advisers for Athletics, favors a return by the NCAA to the minimum test score requirement abandoned several years ago. He said the NCAA's "virtually open admissions standards" threaten academic integrity.
"Special admissions, in and of itself, isn't something to be ashamed of. It does add value to a university," said Gurney, senior associate athletic director for academics and student life at Oklahoma. "However, when you have students who need such a great deal of remediation, it jeopardizes the very essence of the university."
Six schools besides Texas reported no use of special admissions on campus: Air Force, Connecticut, Kansas State, Purdue, Tennessee and Virginia.
The AP review also identified eight schools where athletes were no more likely than other students to get a break with special admissions: Arizona State, Arkansas State, Boise State, Iowa, Kent State, Mississippi State, New Mexico and West Virginia.
At South Carolina, All-American linebacker Eric Norwood recently graduated early with a bachelor's degree in criminal justice.
Norwood was twice denied admission to South Carolina before being accepted as a special admit. The school softened special admission standards in 2007 after coach Steve Spurrier threatened to quit when two recruits who met NCAA eligibility requirements were turned down.
"When I got here I applied myself," Norwood said. "I had great support from the academic staff, great support from the football staff. And my teammates, they held me accountable."
South Carolina athletic director Eric Hyman dismissed critics who call special admissions simply a way to land athletes.
"It's also a way to get better artists, better musicians," he said. "It's not all athletes. If you graduate, if your people are successful, there's going to be more flexibility. And that's what we've done."
Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press
Posted on 4/24/14 at 1:50 pm to Peter Buck
Athletes Show Huge Gaps in SAT Scores
On average, football players at big programs scored 220 points lower than classmates, study shows.
By Alison Go Dec. 30, 2008 Leave a Comment SHARE
Now the Atlanta Journal-Constitution has gone ahead and quantified that by comparing average SAT scores and grade-point averagesGPAs of athletes with the rest of the college's student body. Not surprisingly, football and men's basketball players came out on the bottom, and some averaged hundreds of points lower on SATs than their classmates.
The Journal-Constitution studied 54 public universities, "including the members of the six major Bowl Championship Series conferences and other schools whose teams finished the 2007-08 season ranked among the football or men's basketball top 25."
We all suspect that big-time student athletes sometimes aren't the best and the brightest academically.
Some highlights:
Football players average 220 points lower on the SAT than their classmates. Men's basketball was 227 points lower.
University of Florida won the prize for biggest gap between football players and the student body, with players scoring 346 points lower than their peers.
Georgia Tech had the nation's best average SAT score for football players, 1028 of a possible 1600, and best average high school GPA, 3.39 of a possible 4.0. But because its student body is apparently very smart, Tech's football players still scored 315 SAT points lower than their classmates.
UCLA, which has won more NCAA championships in all sports than any other school, had the biggest gap between the average SAT scores of athletes in all sports and its overall student body, at 247 points.
Some "universal truths," according to the Journal-Constitution:
All 53 schools for which football SAT scores were available had at least an 88-point gap between team members' average score and the average for the student body.
Schools with the highest admissions standards, such as Georgia Tech, the University of Virginia, the University of California-Berkeley, UCLA, and the University of North Carolina, had the biggest gaps between the SAT averages for athletes and the overall student body.
Football players performed 115 points worse on the SAT than male athletes in other sports.
The differences between athletes' and non-athletes' SAT scores were less than half as big for women (73 points) as for men (170).
Many schools routinely used a special admissions process to admit athletes who did not meet the normal entrance requirements. More than half of scholarship athletes at the University of Georgia, the University of Wisconsin, Clemson University, UCLA, Rutgers University, Texas A&M University and Louisiana State University were special admits. . . At Georgia, for instance, 73.5 percent of athletes were special admits compared with 6.6 percent of the student body as a whole.
At a glance, here are the top 10 highest and lowest schools based on the average SAT scores of football players (out of a maximum 1600 score):
FOOTBALL SAT SCORES:
THE TOP 10
School, Average
Georgia Tech, 1028
Oregon State, 997
Michigan, 997
Virginia, 993
Purdue, 974
Indiana, 973
Hawaii, 968
California, 967
Colorado, 966
Iowa, 964
THE BOTTOM 10
School, Average
Oklahoma State, 878
Louisville, 878
Memphis, 890
Florida, 890
Texas Tech, 901
Arkansas, 910
Texas A&M, 911
Mississippi State, 911
Washington State, 916
Michigan State, 917
On average, football players at big programs scored 220 points lower than classmates, study shows.
By Alison Go Dec. 30, 2008 Leave a Comment SHARE
Now the Atlanta Journal-Constitution has gone ahead and quantified that by comparing average SAT scores and grade-point averagesGPAs of athletes with the rest of the college's student body. Not surprisingly, football and men's basketball players came out on the bottom, and some averaged hundreds of points lower on SATs than their classmates.
The Journal-Constitution studied 54 public universities, "including the members of the six major Bowl Championship Series conferences and other schools whose teams finished the 2007-08 season ranked among the football or men's basketball top 25."
We all suspect that big-time student athletes sometimes aren't the best and the brightest academically.
Some highlights:
Football players average 220 points lower on the SAT than their classmates. Men's basketball was 227 points lower.
University of Florida won the prize for biggest gap between football players and the student body, with players scoring 346 points lower than their peers.
Georgia Tech had the nation's best average SAT score for football players, 1028 of a possible 1600, and best average high school GPA, 3.39 of a possible 4.0. But because its student body is apparently very smart, Tech's football players still scored 315 SAT points lower than their classmates.
UCLA, which has won more NCAA championships in all sports than any other school, had the biggest gap between the average SAT scores of athletes in all sports and its overall student body, at 247 points.
Some "universal truths," according to the Journal-Constitution:
All 53 schools for which football SAT scores were available had at least an 88-point gap between team members' average score and the average for the student body.
Schools with the highest admissions standards, such as Georgia Tech, the University of Virginia, the University of California-Berkeley, UCLA, and the University of North Carolina, had the biggest gaps between the SAT averages for athletes and the overall student body.
Football players performed 115 points worse on the SAT than male athletes in other sports.
The differences between athletes' and non-athletes' SAT scores were less than half as big for women (73 points) as for men (170).
Many schools routinely used a special admissions process to admit athletes who did not meet the normal entrance requirements. More than half of scholarship athletes at the University of Georgia, the University of Wisconsin, Clemson University, UCLA, Rutgers University, Texas A&M University and Louisiana State University were special admits. . . At Georgia, for instance, 73.5 percent of athletes were special admits compared with 6.6 percent of the student body as a whole.
At a glance, here are the top 10 highest and lowest schools based on the average SAT scores of football players (out of a maximum 1600 score):
FOOTBALL SAT SCORES:
THE TOP 10
School, Average
Georgia Tech, 1028
Oregon State, 997
Michigan, 997
Virginia, 993
Purdue, 974
Indiana, 973
Hawaii, 968
California, 967
Colorado, 966
Iowa, 964
THE BOTTOM 10
School, Average
Oklahoma State, 878
Louisville, 878
Memphis, 890
Florida, 890
Texas Tech, 901
Arkansas, 910
Texas A&M, 911
Mississippi State, 911
Washington State, 916
Michigan State, 917
Posted on 4/24/14 at 1:56 pm to Peter Buck
Ok, so, have we established that our administration has operated under the MO that we can not put winning teams on the field without special admissions.
We have seen data showing that 73% of our Athletes are special admissions.
We have seen new colleges and majors within the University crop up that on the surface, do not look like Majors people would seek out to come to such a competitive school as UGA.
Are we together on this so far? We are getting close....
We have seen data showing that 73% of our Athletes are special admissions.
We have seen new colleges and majors within the University crop up that on the surface, do not look like Majors people would seek out to come to such a competitive school as UGA.
Are we together on this so far? We are getting close....
Posted on 4/24/14 at 1:57 pm to Peter Buck
I wonder what the 90s would've been like for UGA football had Jan Kemp not happened.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 5:15 pm to WG_Dawg
Why wernt you like in 2nd grade moron?
Posted on 4/24/14 at 7:29 pm to WG_Dawg
quote:
WG_Dawg Georgia will adjust to new rule allowing required summer training, film study I wonder what the 90s would've been like for UGA football had Jan Kemp not happened.
Unless she killed Ray Goff, not much....
Posted on 4/24/14 at 9:07 pm to Peter Buck
quote:
We have seen new colleges and majors within the University crop up that on the surface, do not look like Majors people would seek out to come to such a competitive school as UGA.
Wait, wait... I'm with you that there is an academics gap, and I'd love to see something done about it...
But are you saying that you believe the university has funded colleges and programs that are of "lower quality" in order to have someplace to put the bulk of the student athletes on campus?
Have you ever met or done work with the faculty in those colleges or programs?
Posted on 4/25/14 at 5:01 am to mondegreen
quote:
Wait, wait... I'm with you that there is an academics gap, and I'd love to see something done about it...
By academic gap, do you mean kids are getting let into school who are not academically prepared for college and/or lack the aptitude for what traditionally are college courses?
Posted on 4/25/14 at 5:09 am to Peter Buck
quote:
But are you saying that you believe the university has funded colleges and programs that are of "lower quality" in order to have someplace to put the bulk of the student athletes on campus?
No, not just "student" athletes... it is a great way to keep students enrolled and getting degrees who may not be able to compleat more demanding majors. This is not exclusive to UGA. The fact that a high percentage of athletes are in these classes and the fact that a high percentage of athletes are special admits certainly gives merit to my point. It is certainly just not at UGA.
Posted on 4/25/14 at 5:22 am to Peter Buck
quote:
By academic gap, do you mean kids are getting let into school who are not academically prepared for college and/or lack the aptitude for what traditionally are college courses?
It's an Edu Speak term (also called "achievement gap") to describe performance differences between groups of students:
LINK
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No, not just "student" athletes... it is a great way to keep students enrolled and getting degrees who may not be able to compleat more demanding majors. This is not exclusive to UGA. The fact that a high percentage of athletes are in these classes and the fact that a high percentage of athletes are special admits certainly gives merit to my point. It is certainly just not at UGA.
These programs serve students who are interested in specific fields. Students who are interested in becoming a loan officer or realtor have the Housing program as an option. Why would a student interested in real estate major in Biology? Hell, you had pre-business on one of your lists - are you insinuating that Terry somehow isn't up to standard academically?
Sine you didn't answer my last question, I'm assuming the answer is "no."
If those programs are funded as dumping grounds for lesser students (as you say), then someone needs to tell the faculty who run those programs and departments, as I'm pretty sure it'd be news to them.
Posted on 4/25/14 at 6:56 am to mondegreen
So, why are such a large group of Athletes clustered in these majors? They all want to be loan officers?
Posted on 4/25/14 at 7:08 am to Peter Buck
Posted on 4/25/14 at 4:19 pm to Peter Buck
Just so I understand: earlier, they were all in "Housing and Child Development." Now, they are all just in housing?
Anyways, with a degree in housing they could do lots of things, like the stuff listed here, for starters: LINK
To answer your question, I'll say that you still don't have enough data to establish a causal relationship regarding the number of athletes enrolled in the Housing program at UGA.
Also, do you have any specifics regarding special exceptions? Do you know what special exceptions UGA has made over the past several years and how the concept or usage of special exceptions at UGA compares to other institutions? I ask because I know that similar sounding language can mean very different things between institutions, even if they appear to be exactly the same.
Anyways, with a degree in housing they could do lots of things, like the stuff listed here, for starters: LINK
To answer your question, I'll say that you still don't have enough data to establish a causal relationship regarding the number of athletes enrolled in the Housing program at UGA.
Also, do you have any specifics regarding special exceptions? Do you know what special exceptions UGA has made over the past several years and how the concept or usage of special exceptions at UGA compares to other institutions? I ask because I know that similar sounding language can mean very different things between institutions, even if they appear to be exactly the same.
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