re: Georgia will adjust to new rule allowing required summer training, film study

I'm not sure what the application process to get into Biology is, but if athletes are treated like all other students on campus, then I'm sure some would be accepted into the major and others would not. We might also see Franklin giving more resources to Biology to accommodate rising enrollments, but again - I'm not incredibly familiar with Biology undergrad processes.

That's run out of FACS, right? I know that they used to have a teaching certification program over there, but I'm not sure if they still do. It was an alternative to COE for teacher candidates. It would make sense that a higher percentage of athletes would be interested in teaching programs, since I'd think many would have an interest in being coaches in the public education sector.

1. There is no "Child Development" major program in the FHCE department, so I think you're a little confused.

2. Is there a comprehensive list of actual (like, existing) majors that meet your criteria of "lesser than biology"?

3. Where are the stats on the percentage of athletes enrolled in these programs?

Are you trying to arrive at the conclusion that some athletes choose what you perceive to be "soft" majors because they aren't really interested in academics? I'm sure that does happen. But I'm still waiting on you to make a point or offer a solution.

It's okay, I've got all week.

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2. Is there a comprehensive list of actual (like, existing) majors that meet your criteria of "lesser than biology"?

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That is irrelevant to any points being made.

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It is child and family Development and it is not in the Education Department. The other is Housing, that is also not in the Education Dept.

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You are confusing lots of different departments, programs, and colleges.

Let me try to explain this again.

First, there is no "Education Department." There is a College of Education (COE), that is made up of several different departments (Educational Psychology, Kinesiology, Lifelong Education, Administration, and Policy, etc...). Those departments, in turn, offer degree programs. These are the programs that students can enroll in depending on the specific field of study. So, for example, an undergraduate student interested in becoming an English teacher might enroll in the B.S.ED. program in English Education offered by the Language and Literacy Department in the College of Education.

Now, on to the two different programs you're talking about. They are both situated in the College of Family and Consumer Sciences (FACS).

There is no "Child and Family Development" program. The program is "Human Development and Family Science," and it is offered by the Child and Family Development department (although, I believe they are either going through or have recently gone through a name change - we'll just go with it for now). As I said before, that department is housed in the College of Family and Consumer Sciences. The "Human Development and Family Science" program can, indeed, be an avenue for aspiring teachers to gain teaching certification through their undergraduate education. It is an alternative to the programs offered by the departments in the College of Education. Here is an info sheet to tell you all the fun things you can do if you get a degree in "Human Development and Family Science" through the department of Child and Family Development: LINK

The other program you are talking about is simply called "Housing." The department that offers the program is now called Financial Planning, Housing, and Consumer Economics, I believe. Honestly, you'd be forgiven for screwing up FACS department names, as they've undergone lots of mergers and name changes in recent times. This program looks to be geared toward those interested in real estate (loan officers, realtors, property managers, etc...). Here's another document that lists several things one can do with a degree in "Housing": LINK

The more you know...

So next question:
Why would over half the football team be in the following majors?
Sociology
Unspecified
Communication Studies
Housing
Pre- Business
Sport Management
Human Dev and Family

I don't have adequate information to answer that question. I am not privileged to the conversations between athletes and their academic advisors. I haven't conducted research on the matriculation of athletes through academic programs. I have no data on jobs that athletes get upon leaving the university (aside from personal/anecdotal knowledge of specific cases).

Also, notice that I'm talking about the larger body of athletes and you keep specifying football. Is it your stance that decisions made regarding the treatment of football players should not apply to athletes in general?

If you drive past the ECV each morning, you will see various athletes (yes, some of whom are football players) standing at the bus stop before 8am wearing backpacks waiting on the bus. Where do you think those athletes are headed?

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What are the OTHER members of the student body doing majoring in these specified majors?

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I think some interesting data would be how many in those majors are special entry students.

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Are these phoney majors just made up for CFB players? I cannot find I bit of evidence to suggest for all except for maybe Sport Management

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Not phony per say, just designed to help special entry students with a sub par incoming education possibly get a college degree.

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Why are you obsessing over these kids majors?

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Because if kids are being pushed into these majors either because it is all they are able to handle or because it will keep them playing.

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Aren't they better off at least having a degree in one of these fields as opposed to not having a degree at all? Would you suggest they not be in college at all? Don't you think being around a college enviroment for 3 to 4 years is a better experience than your alernative? What do you suggest for these kids? The JC route? Trade school?

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Scholarships are 1 year deals. IT is good for some, but also sets a lot up for failure, especially if they can be cast off if they get hurt or are not good at sports anymore...

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Interesting article about CFB players and their majors. Says 35-59 non Freshman at Vandy are ALL majoring in the same thing...Human and Organizational Mgt. Is this a good thing or a bad thing in your opinion?

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It is like that at a lot of schools. That is exactly where we are headed with this thread I hope...

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Do you understand why it is critical for players to graduate specifically within the football program?

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If you're asking whether I know the specific rules/regulations/policies the football program needs to meet in terms of graduation, then no, I do not.

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I have more than anecdotal knowledge and can confirm to you that the football " academic" advisor's primary goal is to keep you eligible. They have a lot of money riding on a football player to not only stay eligible, but to graduate.

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If you have empirical evidence, I'd love to see it. Common sense says there is a problem here, but I think many in this debate have painted athletics in general (and football in specific) with a very broad brush. Evidence and thoughtfulness are needed, or else we'll end up with knee-jerk reactions that will do nothing but damage further college athletics.