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Posted on 4/3/14 at 5:05 pm to thunderbird1100
Posted on 4/3/14 at 5:05 pm to thunderbird1100
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No offense to Bowers but he's the #1 composite JUCO player on 247 yet averaged 12pts/9rebs??? Kind of hard to believe.
I thought the same thing but apparently the JC's in the panhandle are loaded. His team went 10 deep and at least 5 players on their roster will play in an AQ conference.
This post was edited on 4/3/14 at 5:06 pm
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 5:12 pm to marshallcotiger
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I thought the same thing but apparently the JC's in the panhandle are loaded. His team went 10 deep and at least 5 players on their roster will play in an AQ conference.
But he's the supposed #1 JUCO player, he should be the dominant guy on his own team and he's "just another player".
I cant imagine the #1 JUCO recruit being a 12/9 guy in JUCO, nobody on his team should be close to his ability.
This post was edited on 4/3/14 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:12 pm to thunderbird1100
Chipola is loaded.
Sam Cassell is going to UConn. Carlos Morris is going to Minnesota. Both of those guys were Top 150 players in high school. Torian Graham was a top 100 player.
Not all JUCO is created equally.
Sam Cassell is going to UConn. Carlos Morris is going to Minnesota. Both of those guys were Top 150 players in high school. Torian Graham was a top 100 player.
Not all JUCO is created equally.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:15 pm to BASED
quote:no he's not
he's a mcdonalds all American level player
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:22 pm to GatorsGators
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Not all JUCO is created equally.
Im not saying it is, but he's the #1 ranked player, yet only averages 12/9, shot 47% which is good but has no 3 point shot at 6'7 and shot <50% from the line.
Don't see how he's the best player in JUCO with a line like that.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:40 pm to thunderbird1100
Maybe scouts think his game will transition well to college, I don't know.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 12:47 am to GatorsGators
Some LSU fans are expecting too much out of Josh Gray.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 7:34 pm to volfan30
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Some LSU fans are expecting too much out of Josh Gray.
Eh, I don't think so. What do you think he'll do?
Expecting 12 ppg (my expectation with ~25 m/gm) doesn't seem like a strecth considering his improvement (and he averaged 9.3 as a freshman at Texas Tech).
Posted on 4/4/14 at 9:27 pm to oauron
That was on a really bad Texas Tech team, though. His percentages weren't good at all.
He's pretty much a known quantity at this point. An extremely quick combo guard with baggage and without a jump shot. I think he's a good pickup for LSU, but he is being over-hyped imo. He's not even close to being a McDonald's All-American talent.
He's pretty much a known quantity at this point. An extremely quick combo guard with baggage and without a jump shot. I think he's a good pickup for LSU, but he is being over-hyped imo. He's not even close to being a McDonald's All-American talent.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 9:36 pm to GatorsGators
Gray was just a freshman at the time and did make the All-Big XII Freshman team. He improved dramatically too this last season in JUCO. Any guy who can take over a game is a damn good player. He had 8 games of 40+ points this season, 3 of those were for 59+. Shot 45% on the season which is very good for a short guard (6'1). By comparison, Wilbekin shot sub 40% on his season.
By the way, a short guard who averages well over 30 points a game definitely HAS a jump shot.
By the way, a short guard who averages well over 30 points a game definitely HAS a jump shot.
This post was edited on 4/4/14 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 4/4/14 at 9:41 pm to GatorsGators
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That was on a really bad Texas Tech team, though. His percentages weren't good at al
And? He was the man who took all the shots and the entire offense ran through him. He was keyed on in every game still shot a decent % and averaged over 30. I do think he's a volume player who will need to take a lot of shots to do well (a Henderson who drives to the basket and has a better FG%).
I don't think he's a McD AA talent (but he'll be a lot better than some have performed in college), but I think he's at least a 4* caliber player.
This post was edited on 4/4/14 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 4/4/14 at 9:48 pm to thunderbird1100
He's shooting 30% from three in JUCO. Alright, he has a jump shot... It's just not a very good one at this point.
JUCO stats are fools' gold anyways. Gray has played a full season of high-major basketball already. I'm more inclined to draw conclusions from those than from his JUCO stats.
I think he's going to be a good player for LSU. I'm just not sure he's worthy of the hype he's getting.
JUCO stats are fools' gold anyways. Gray has played a full season of high-major basketball already. I'm more inclined to draw conclusions from those than from his JUCO stats.
I think he's going to be a good player for LSU. I'm just not sure he's worthy of the hype he's getting.
This post was edited on 4/4/14 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 4/4/14 at 9:56 pm to oauron
Marshall Henderson shot 44% from the field as a sophomore in JUCO.
He only averaged 19.6 points, but he also was on a loaded team that went undefeated and won the NJCAA national title.
He only averaged 19.6 points, but he also was on a loaded team that went undefeated and won the NJCAA national title.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 10:06 pm to GatorsGators
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He's shooting 30% from three in JUCO. Alright, he has a jump shot... It's just not a very good one at this point.
He was shooting much higher than 30% from 3 for the first 2/3's of the season in JUCO. He's a streaky guy. 7 of the last 8 games were very rough on him % wise, his team was completely relying on him in close games and he was being swarmed defensively.
And a jump shot and 3 point shot are two very different things. Regardless, a short guard who averages over 33 points a game OBVIOUSLY has a jump shot otherwise there's no chance he'd average close to that only being able to drive to the hoop.
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JUCO stats are fools' gold anyways. Gray has played a full season of high-major basketball already. I'm more inclined to draw conclusions from those than from his JUCO stats.
This is dumb, players tend to improve over time. So why would go by how a player looks as a freshman over how he looks as a sophomore going into their junior season? Wilbekin was pretty bad a freshman, not so much after that.
Stringer and Hickey were bad as freshmen, much better over time. JOB III was bad as a freshman, much better over time.
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I think he's going to be a good player for LSU. I'm just not sure he's worthy of the hype he's getting.
Not sure what you're getting at. LSU fans who know anything about him aren't expecting some dominant player who will average 25 a game and shoot 50%....just a streaky scorer who can distribute and take over games at times. I bet he'll be a bit like Marcus Thornton with less focus on the 3 point shot.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 10:41 pm to thunderbird1100
quote:Of course, he could have significantly improved. It's possible. But it's also possible that he's dominating poor JUCO competition and that his percentages will drop against D-1 competition.
This is dumb, players tend to improve over time. So why would go by how a player looks as a freshman over how he looks as a sophomore going into their junior season? Wilbekin was pretty bad a freshman, not so much after that.
quote:Marcus Thornton averaged 20 points, lol
Not sure what you're getting at. LSU fans who know anything about him aren't expecting some dominant player who will average 25 a game and shoot 50%....just a streaky scorer who can distribute and take over games at times. I bet he'll be a bit like Marcus Thornton with less focus on the 3 point shot.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 10:44 pm to GatorsGators
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Marcus Thornton averaged 20 points, lol
Not as a junior. He was dominant his senior year though. They also play two different positions.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 10:47 pm to oauron
Thornton averaged 19.6 points as a junior.
Posted on 4/4/14 at 11:09 pm to GatorsGators
Mizzou just picked up a JUCO guard, Kevin Punter. Know nothing about the kid and he went to JUCO here in Missouri. Originally from New York. Best I can tell we beat out Missouri State and University of Texas
San Antonio.
Seriously though, sounds like his recruiting was picking up a bit as teams fill those final holes. Apparently was talking to Baylor, Oklahoma and Wichita State among others.
San Antonio.
Seriously though, sounds like his recruiting was picking up a bit as teams fill those final holes. Apparently was talking to Baylor, Oklahoma and Wichita State among others.
Posted on 4/5/14 at 12:16 am to GatorsGators
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Of course, he could have significantly improved. It's possible. But it's also possible that he's dominating poor JUCO competition and that his percentages will drop against D-1 competition.
He DID significantly improve. You dont lead the entire country in scoring and not OBVIOUSLY be improved.
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Marcus Thornton averaged 20 points, lol
Thornton was a streaky scorer (Who we leaned on quite some bit). We wont have to lean on Gray nearly as much, but Gray has the scoring ability Thornton has (just in a different way). You dont throw down 40+ 1/3 of a season and at times 50 and 60 and not be a pretty damn good player. Keep in mind not a single person was even close to Gray's numbers last season in JUCO.
This post was edited on 4/5/14 at 12:20 am
Posted on 4/5/14 at 12:18 am to GatorsGators
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Thornton averaged 19.6 points as a junior.
Which isnt close to 25 a game and 50% shooting (Thornton shot 43.6%). Not sure what you're failing to grasp here.
This post was edited on 4/5/14 at 12:21 am
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