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re: so the 2 states with legal pot have their nfl teams in the superbowl
Posted on 1/21/14 at 3:21 pm to dawgfan24348
Posted on 1/21/14 at 3:21 pm to dawgfan24348
quote:I have no problem with including other illegal behaviors in an argument like this. Happens all the time and people immediately say "HE'S SAYING ______ IS JUST LIKE PEDOPHILIA" when that's not what he's saying. You can list any number of illegal behaviors and (currently) smoking pot is like all of those behaviors in that they are all illegal. The actions and consequences may vary substantially, but that isn't the point of including them together.
The guy put weed on the same level as child frickers so yeah he will never be set straight
So yeah, it's legitimate to include pedophilia, rape, murder, and smoking pot in the same sentence if the point is to say they are all illegal. If you want to talk about the different consequences of each, feel free to do that. Obviously smoking pot on your couch at home doesn't harm others like rape or murder does, but that's not the point of the comparison.
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Posted on 1/21/14 at 3:56 pm to FooManChoo
Since all of us have sped before in our vehicles, we are in the company of pedophiles, rapists, murderers, and dope smokers in that we've all done an illegal activity before.
What is the point of saying something like that? What value does that add to any discussion?
What is the point of saying something like that? What value does that add to any discussion?
Posted on 1/21/14 at 7:42 pm to Fats
Here is my response to Dawgs4Lyfe. Is Big Pharma in the weed business now? No. They are already losing money. Would some folks in DEA lose their jobs if weed were legal? Probably, but more likely they would be re-assigned b/c it's damn near impossible to fire a federal employee. Maybe they could start actually keeping dangerous drugs out like heroin. Oh right, most heroin comes from Afghanistan. Heroin overdoses and addiction has spiked since we invaded. Hmmm, interesting. So God gave us the ability to make choices, free will. You say he didn't make a mistake by putting herb on the planet. Then why do most Christians, including yourself, want it eradicated. Are you not ok with God's plan? Tell you what Dawgs4Lyfe, why don't you read some of these Bible verses and get back to me. Herbs for Healing
Posted on 1/21/14 at 7:57 pm to Fats
The context of DL's statement was the argument of "freedom". He said that we should allow all sorts of actions that we currently outlaw ("pedophilia, heroine use, cocaine use, etc") because we would be more free without such laws.
It made sense to me. He wasn't saying that smoking pot has the same level of impact on others as pedophilia, rape, murder, or hard-drug use, but that if the argument for legalizing marijuana is centered around more freedom, the same can be said about all kinds of activities that are currently illegal.
It made sense to me. He wasn't saying that smoking pot has the same level of impact on others as pedophilia, rape, murder, or hard-drug use, but that if the argument for legalizing marijuana is centered around more freedom, the same can be said about all kinds of activities that are currently illegal.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 8:00 pm to FooManChoo
Still not the same as weed does no hard and the law makes no sense while the other listed make sense and were not put in place because some rich guy got scares he might lose his money
Posted on 1/21/14 at 8:48 pm to dawgfan24348
I'm not going to argue for or against it. I don't smoke it and I won't let my kids smoke pot while they are living in my house, but that's my choice.
I will say, in response to BoulderDawg, that I don't think the Bible can be used to justify getting high for potential health benefits. The herbs, plants, and leaves were either applied directly to wounds or ground up and ingested (usually mixed with water). They didn't smoke opium. In fact, the Bible does say that strong drink can be used to help health problems, too, but not for getting wasted. Getting drunk was strictly prohibited.
I will say, in response to BoulderDawg, that I don't think the Bible can be used to justify getting high for potential health benefits. The herbs, plants, and leaves were either applied directly to wounds or ground up and ingested (usually mixed with water). They didn't smoke opium. In fact, the Bible does say that strong drink can be used to help health problems, too, but not for getting wasted. Getting drunk was strictly prohibited.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 10:22 pm to FooManChoo
Foo, you can also ingest marijuana through edibles. You don't have to smoke it. I also can ingest as much as makes me feel good and not be wasted, just like I can take a shot or two of liquor and feel good but not be wasted. MJ when ingested through an edible is good for pain, lowers blood pressure, and is an anti=inflammatory. It has many medicinal uses. Perhaps you should check out this story. MJ saves little gir from life threatening seizures And even more assinine, HEMP is illegal. The THC levels in hemp is so low, you'd have to smoke a joint the size of a telephone pole to get high. Ron Paul gets it Why is hemp illegal? B/C it looks like marijuana? Or is it b/c timber barons like William Randolph Hurst stood to lose millions back in the day? Take a guess.
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Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:33 am to dawgfan24348
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FWIW I don't smoke pot and the reason I want it legal is because if some guy can smoke a cancer causing cigarette why can't someone else smoke pot which does not cause cancer
Or smoke heroine or cocaine? They don't cause cancer...
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:34 am to dawgfan24348
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This pharmaceutical companies would lose millions if weed gets legalized in all 50 states
How and why? How would it affect pharmaceutical companies in the least?
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:36 am to Dawg in Beaumont
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We should make fatty foods illegal. They kill people and drive up insurance premiums. You people only want fatty foods to be legal so you can eat them!!!!!!!!!!!!
Big government is fun!
Isn't that exactly what Michelle Obama and the Mayor of New York wants...in short...most Democrats?
That said....I've never known anyone to kill anyone under the influence of fatty goods.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:48 am to VoxDawg
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It may seem contradictory to what I've posted at this point, but I'm actually pro-decriminalization for pot, on the same grounds that Prohibition of alcohol wS stupid. If somebody's going to frick up their life, they're going to find a way to do that anyway - whether it's booze, weed, meth or whatever.
I assume you are for legalizing cocaine, heroine, Meth and other drugs, to, based upon thins reasoning?
My problem is...no matter what it is, they not only screw up their lives, but the lives of their families, too. And it won't stop them from breaking into homes and robbing convenience stores to support their habits. The states that have legalized pot has already shown that the cost has gone UP with legalization.
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Now, granted these are early prices, and MIGHT be explained by saying it is new and there are greedy
sellers in Colorado taking advantage of the demand. But nobody knows for certain. I have seen articles saying the price could drop as much as 90%, but reality is telling a different story so far.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 6:04 am to JacketFan77
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Hi, I am 36 years old, and I do not smoke pot, I quit smoking cigarettes on Nov. 30 (almost two months without a relapse ), and I only drink occasionally.
Congratulations, man! I've heard for some people it is more difficult to stop smoking than to stop some harder drugs.
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I never saw the people who did enjoy it as being evil or losers or bad - hell, some of the regular smokers I knew in college were also honor roll students who have gone on to do amazing things. Though, just as there are morons who abuse alcohol and make dumb choices, there are also morons who smoke weed and make bad choices.
This is all true. Just as there are some people that shoot heroine and snort cocaine that are good, decent people that go on to do amazing things.
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When I was 24 I had a terrible bout of the flu and took some Theraflu. An hour later I realized that I needed to pay a power bill and decided to drive over to the GP office and drop off the check. I started hallucinating about five minutes into the drive. Scared the shite out of me. I pulled over and found a phone to call my roommates to come and get me. Dumb choice.
Anytime you are taking medication, drinking, or smoking pot you should NOT get behind the wheel of a car. I am glad you realized the problem and stopped driving and called someone. If everyone else were as responsible as you thousands of lives would be saved each year.
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I consider myself a fairly intelligent person, but like many people, I made some dumb choices in my youth behind the wheel. I still make the occasional bonehead move. None of these lapses in judgement involved marijuana or alcohol, but they were dumb all the same. Not sure anything the government could legislate would have prevented me making those choices, short of raising the driving age, banning OTC flu medicines, or banning cars outright. But, if any of those things were to happen, where does it stop?
No. We can't ban cars or everything else. But legalizing everything is not the answer, either. Would you also legalize cocaine, meth, ecstacy and heroine based on your argument?
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Collectively, we've given our government license to legislate a lot of lifestyle choices - things that could potentially affect other folks, but a lot that really doesn't affect anyone but the individual.
Which ones do not affect anyone else? Smoking weed? How about the guy that gets behind the wheel of the car after smoking, and kills someone?
Does that affect someone?
Prostitution? how about the guys that bring a STD home to their wives or girlfriends? Does that affect other people? I can think of VERY few laws that the breaker does not affect anyone else. ALL of our actions affect other people....some in a positive way, some in negative ways.
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And we have laws that say "you can't drink alcohol and drive and if you do there are consequences." But, I don't believe that a "potential" threat is worthy of legislation or making something illegal - it's a slippery slope that we need to stop careening down.
Then you are against DWI laws? That is only a potential threat. Some people drive while intoxicated and never get into a wreck. EVERY law we have are to prevent potential threats as well as tangible ones.
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There are plenty of laws protecting people from morons who drink and drive or smoke and drive. We don't need anymore.
And yet thousands are dying on our roads every year. Tell your theory to the child that will grow up without a mother or father because someone decides to drive drunk or high. And YOU must take responsibility if you support the legalization of it. Why? because if it is legalized more people will be doing it. It's that simple. Many people will not try it simply because it is illegal. Imagine how many more lives will be lost with not only scores of drunk drivers, but also high drivers on the road. After all...it's legal, right? It's less harmful than cigarettes, right?
Posted on 1/22/14 at 6:13 am to dawgfan24348
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That is like a guy that snorts cocaine on the weekends and does not get addicted saying "From personal experience, cocaine is not addictive." Science says otherwise.
Weed and cocaine are very different
Yes they are. but science says marijuana can be addictive. So, just because YOU say it si not because YOU never became addicted, just doesn't wash.
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Obviously but weed is nowhere addictive as cigarettes
No. Never made the argument that it was. But it IS addictive. Not sure why that matters, though.
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He gave us free will...the choice to make our own decisions
Yup so why won't you let us make a choice to smoke weed
God gave YOU free will to make a choice. He also says that our bodies are the temple of God and we should take care of them. Yes. That means we should exercise, not over eat...take care of ourselves. We also have a right to protect ourselves. I do not wish to be on the road with a bunch of high drivers. I also don't want to be on the road with a bunch of drunk drivers.
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Holy shite you're dumb, I can't believe you just compared weed to Pedos
Actually, I didn't. YOU said you didn't want your freedoms impinged upon. That is one group (LAMBDA) that says their freedoms are impinged upon. They claim their desires are completely normal. Hey...how much freedom DO you want? Where do you draw the line? I noticed you did not answer my earlier question. have YOU ever driven while drunk or high?
Posted on 1/22/14 at 6:15 am to Fats
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What is the point of saying something like that? What value does that add to any discussion?
I guess the same point as saying that marijuana is not addictive because you have smoked it and you did not become addicted...even though science says it is?
Posted on 1/22/14 at 6:25 am to BoulderDawg34
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Here is my response to Dawgs4Lyfe.
I am not Dawgs4Lyfe. I realize the similarity of our names....although I didn't when I chose my name. I just wanted to clear that up, because he may not share my views, and I don't want anyone assigning my views to him. he might now appreciate that!
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You say he didn't make a mistake by putting herb on the planet. Then why do most Christians, including yourself, want it eradicated. Are you not ok with God's plan?
God also allowed sin on the earth. I don't want that, either.
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Tell you what Dawgs4Lyfe, why don't you read some of these Bible verses and get back to me. Herbs for Healing
Ummm....LSD comes from a natural plant as is Heroine and cocaine. Are you saying they should be legalized?
1 Corinthians 6:19
Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;
and:
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We can do this all day. My oldest brother once told me this:
If you can't imagine Jesus doing something, then don't do it. I'm having a hard time imagining Jesus shooting Heroine, or smoking a joint.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 6:27 am to FooManChoo
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The context of DL's statement was the argument of "freedom". He said that we should allow all sorts of actions that we currently outlaw ("pedophilia, heroine use, cocaine use, etc") because we would be more free without such laws.
It made sense to me. He wasn't saying that smoking pot has the same level of impact on others as pedophilia, rape, murder, or hard-drug use, but that if the argument for legalizing marijuana is centered around more freedom, the same can be said about all kinds of activities that are currently illegal.
You are correct about my intent, Foo. Only you said it MUCH better. Thanks!
Posted on 1/22/14 at 6:33 am to dawgfan24348
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Still not the same as weed does no hard and the law makes no sense while the other listed make sense and were not put in place because some rich guy got scares he might lose his money
Yes. Weed does do harm. You apparently choose to ignore the scientific findings about the increase in car accidents, etc. Addiction.....oh, and it impairs the ability to learn, too. But, that is a given if anyone reads this thread.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 7:21 am to DawgsLife
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Yes. Weed does do harm. You apparently choose to ignore the scientific findings about the increase in car accidents, etc. Addiction.....oh, and it impairs the ability to learn, too. But, that is a given if anyone reads this thread.
Weed may not impair memory, which I believe it doesnt.
"A new study published and funded by the National Institute of Health has found that poor working memory and attention control is associated with a lower efficiency of the endocannabinoid system, indicating that cannabis could improve these functions as it activates and positively regulates this system"
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And your biggest argument against pot being legal is that people gets in wrecks while high. That is so stupid. People get in wrecks from texting, you want to make cell phone use illegal, and we go back to house phones? People get in wrecks from eating while driving, you want to make all food illegal, and we could all just starve to death? People get in wrecks from being distracted by passengers, you want to make it illegal to have more than 1 person in a vehicle? Just bc weed may have been the cause to the wreck (like eating, texting, distractions), doesnt mean that it specifically (weed, food, phones, distractions) should be made illegal. What should be made illegal is the behavior that causes the wreck, which is driving while high. Then yes you are right! But this is not your argument, so yeah.
Marijuana does not make you drowsy like you are being told. Yes you can get drowsy from weed, but you can get drowsy after you eat food. You want to make it illegal to drive within an hr or two after eating too? All kinds of stuff makes people drowsy. And if thats your best argument against it, then you need to come up with a better one. Its getting old hearing you say, "what about the driving? You guys you double your risk of getting in wrecks when high. Come on you guys, you gotta believe if I keep saying it!"
I dont believe in the bible or stuff like that, since most of it is not original to christianity like they want you to believe, but thats a whole other subject. But to humor you, i will show the bible supported weed. Its fairly simple and straight forward.
Genesis 1:29 "And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of the Earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to everything that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, i have given every green herb for meat; and it was so."
Clearly weed is either a herb or tree and it is supposed to be used for meat. So you eat weed, you get high, so god wanted us to get high. I'm interested to see how your gonna spin this one.
Also the holy anointing oil can be found to contain cannabis. The translation was lost in some of the king james bibles, but looking at anciet texts, it can be found. Also your skin is your largest organ on your body, so what do you think will happen when you rub the holy anointing oil on your skin w/ cannabis in it????
shite I bet jesus smoked weed too, he prob was a drug dealer, how could you not trust him? Haha For someone to be the son of god, there sure are some gaps in his life, left out of the bible. You dont think he didnt smoke weed in his teen and young adult years?? It also raises another question as to why they left it out?? Really the whole bible should of been about him, since he was god, not someone getting a dream from god, but god. It makes no sense.
Also, the biggest problem with weed being illegal, is a right of freedom. I should be able to do what I want in my own home as long as I'm not harming others. People want to take away from this statment by comparing other harder drug use, but yeah let them do that too. Legalize all drugs, control it like you do alcohol, tax it and let the adults be fricking adults. If you commit a crime while on a drug, just like with alcohol, you could be penalized harsher b/c of this. Same thing with gambling and prostitution. All three of these things are illegal, imagine if they were legal and taxed. You take all that money off the black market and put it back into the economy, where it should be. Next, this money that is taken from the black market, is no longer supplying cash for gangs, thugs, mafia, etc , which is probably the easiest way for them to make money, since robbing banks and stealing cars aren't always as easy. With drugs being legal, there will be an age limit, which drug dealers no nothing about. Middle and highschoolers will not be able to get it as easy. I know alcohol can be gotten pretty easy, but not as easy as someone who doesnt id, ever.
Also if all drugs were legal, you think everyone is just going to start shooting up meth?? Hell no! And if weed was legal, most people would probably do that over meth and other drugs. I've known people to start other drugs (even legal prescription ones) b/c they were on probabtion and couldn't smoke. Well these people are regretting ever doing that, and still to this day have ongoing battles with them. One guy is probably going to be on methadone for the rest of his life, which I hate to say. And I dont support the other drug use, but atleast taxing and controlling it will be better than the blackmarket and people blowing up their homes trying to make this stuff, or people dying from buying a product, that was actually something else, or cut with some nasty shite. All and all, keeping drugs legal and controlled (like alcohol) is better for our economy and prison systems (a whole other topic b/c prisons of profit businesses, so more prisoners means more money (tax money for us)), than keeping it illegal funding gangs and crime, selling to minors, and enlarging our prisons with nonviolent crimes, unlike murderers rapists, thieves, etc.
This post was edited on 1/22/14 at 7:28 am
Posted on 1/22/14 at 7:42 am to dawgsjw
I have ADD so it slows my mind down and allows me to focus. My first semester back in college after I left active duty Army. I smoked most days. I made sure not to go to school high but after working out most days I would smoke then study a little. I made the dean's list for the first time EVER that semester.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 7:48 am to dawgsjw
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Weed may not impair memory, which I believe it doesnt.
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Marijuana does not make you drowsy like you are being told. Yes you can get drowsy from weed
quote:I don't even know where to begin with any of this, so I just wanted to showcase my favorite examples of stoner wisdom.
i will show the bible supported weed.
quote:Your point? He also created hemlock, arsenic and puffer fish. In fact, I think he made those things for YOU! We promise not to go to the cops if you want to go indulge in any of those things, so long as you promise to do it right now.
Clearly weed is either a herb or tree and it is supposed to be used for meat. So you eat weed, you get high, so god wanted us to get high.
quote:There you go. Your infallible insight has completely upended literally millennia of established beliefs. Thank God he created marijuana plants so you could selflessly smoke yourself into a stupor for the purposes of being the harbinger of this modern revelation.
shite I bet jesus smoked weed too, he prob was a drug dealer, how could you not trust him? Haha For someone to be the son of god, there sure are some gaps in his life, left out of the bible. You dont think he didnt smoke weed in his teen and young adult years??
Now, shockingly enough, I agree with the more libertarian angle of the bottom part of your brainfried tirade, but it's just a shame you have to get it muddled in the fringe, "Jesus loved weed, man!" stuff that makes rational folks instantly dismiss you as an idiot.
This post was edited on 1/22/14 at 7:51 am
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