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re: 14 team SEC is unsustainable. SEC Needs to get to 16 now.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 3:37 pm to twk
Posted on 11/19/12 at 3:37 pm to twk
4 team pods
West A
West B
East A
East B
You play your pod (3) plus 2 from the other 3 pods (6), rotating the 2 every other year, so you will have a home/ home with everyone in the conf in every 4 year period.
SEC title with East vs West.
West A
West B
East A
East B
You play your pod (3) plus 2 from the other 3 pods (6), rotating the 2 every other year, so you will have a home/ home with everyone in the conf in every 4 year period.
SEC title with East vs West.
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Posted on 11/19/12 at 3:38 pm to SL Tiger
With the recent developments I think the Acc will be the conference that implodes. I think FSU, GA Tech, Pitt, Clemson, Notre Dame, and Va tech will join the big 12. I think ND is force to join a conference and will choose the big 12 so they can keep their tier 3 rights. I would love to have VATech in the sec but I don't think they want to be here. I think UVA and Boston College will join Maryland and Rutgers in the big 10. At this point I lean toward thinking the basketball first schools will stick together in a merger of the Acc and Big East. This would take Duke and UNC off the table. That leaves only two viable options for the sec at that point. NC State and Miami.
Pod 1: LSU, A&M, State, Mizzou
Pod 2: Bama, Tenn, Arky, Ole Miss
Pod 3: UGA, AU, NC State, Vandy
Pod4: UF, USCw, Miami, UK
Pod 1: LSU, A&M, State, Mizzou
Pod 2: Bama, Tenn, Arky, Ole Miss
Pod 3: UGA, AU, NC State, Vandy
Pod4: UF, USCw, Miami, UK
Posted on 11/19/12 at 3:40 pm to MFV
Let's get FSU, Clemson, and Ga Tech over to the SEC so those of us with ACC rivalries can keep those intact.
Mizzou gets the boot. What a worthless add they are.
Mizzou gets the boot. What a worthless add they are.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 3:43 pm to bayou2003
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Maryland is basically a "southern" state.
Whoa whoa whoa now. Bayou, you're a great poster and I appreciate the sticking up for Missouri that you do. However I gotta say no on this one. With all the people who say Missouri is a "Yankee" state, there is no way you can consider Maryland southern. Having been to both states, Missouri is undoubtedly a more southern state than Maryland. Hell, southeast Missouri is no different than Tennessee or northern Mississippi. Sure, northern Missouri is as Midwestern as it gets, but Missouri is so geographically large that it might as well be split into 4 because we have 4 distinct cultures within the state border.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 3:47 pm to aggressor
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As I said, wish for who you want but it won't make it happen unless it fits those guidelines
at you aggies! Does aTm even get a vote? 
your guidelines. Do you think that everyone doesn't see your motives for NOT wanting another school west of the Mississippi? Keep trying... This post was edited on 11/19/12 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 11/19/12 at 3:49 pm to molsusports
SEC N:
Tennessee (Bama, Georgia)
Vanderbilt (MSU, Ole Miss)
Kentucky (Ole Miss, MSU)
Va Tech (Texas A&M, USC)
SEC W:
LSU (Bama, UF)
Texas A&M (Va Tech, Missouri)
Arkansas (Missouri, NC State)
Missouri (Arkansas, Texas A&M)
SEC E:
Florida (LSU, Auburn)
Georgia (Auburn, Tennessee)
South Carolina (NC State, Va Tech)
NC State (USC, Arkansas)
SEC S:
Alabama (Tenn, LSU)
Auburn (UGA, UF)
MSU (Vanderbilt, Kentucky)
Ole Miss (LSU, Vanderbilt)
Tennessee (Bama, Georgia)
Vanderbilt (MSU, Ole Miss)
Kentucky (Ole Miss, MSU)
Va Tech (Texas A&M, USC)
SEC W:
LSU (Bama, UF)
Texas A&M (Va Tech, Missouri)
Arkansas (Missouri, NC State)
Missouri (Arkansas, Texas A&M)
SEC E:
Florida (LSU, Auburn)
Georgia (Auburn, Tennessee)
South Carolina (NC State, Va Tech)
NC State (USC, Arkansas)
SEC S:
Alabama (Tenn, LSU)
Auburn (UGA, UF)
MSU (Vanderbilt, Kentucky)
Ole Miss (LSU, Vanderbilt)
Posted on 11/19/12 at 3:49 pm to FinleyStreet
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Mizzou gets the boot. What a worthless add they are.
What a worthless poster you are.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 3:51 pm to KCM0Tiger
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Whoa whoa whoa now. Bayou, you're a great poster and I appreciate the sticking up for Missouri that you do. However I gotta say no on this one. With all the people who say Missouri is a "Yankee" state, there is no way you can consider Maryland southern. Having been to both states, Missouri is undoubtedly a more southern state than Maryland. Hell, southeast Missouri is no different than Tennessee or northern Mississippi. Sure, northern Missouri is as Midwestern as it gets, but Missouri is so geographically large that it might as well be split into 4 because we have 4 distinct cultures within the state border.
I was going by the U.S. Census and the show "How the States Got Their Shapes". They have Maryland highlighted with the "South" category.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 3:53 pm to baytiger
I think the SEC is fine at 14. It's still more potent than any 16 team combination. I mean hell, we have 6 teams in the Top 12, 7 of the Top 25, with 1 week left in the season.
If we add teams, let's just keep the money rolling in. Teams like clemscum, fsu, louisville, miami don't add anything to market share. We already have tv contracts in their areas.
We don't need to, but if we add teams, we should go after teams in Oklahoma, Kansas, North Carolina, or Virginia.
If we wanted to take 2 teams, our Ideal would be Oklahoma and NC State or Va Tech (b/c of market share increases.) Realistically, we won't add any of those teams unless their conferences start to fall apart.
If other teams start jumping the acc ship, like Maryland, then we could make a move for NC State or Va Tech, but I don't see it happening in the short term. Also, OU isn't leaving the Big12ish unless something devastating happens like both Kansas teams bolt.
If we add teams, let's just keep the money rolling in. Teams like clemscum, fsu, louisville, miami don't add anything to market share. We already have tv contracts in their areas.
We don't need to, but if we add teams, we should go after teams in Oklahoma, Kansas, North Carolina, or Virginia.
If we wanted to take 2 teams, our Ideal would be Oklahoma and NC State or Va Tech (b/c of market share increases.) Realistically, we won't add any of those teams unless their conferences start to fall apart.
If other teams start jumping the acc ship, like Maryland, then we could make a move for NC State or Va Tech, but I don't see it happening in the short term. Also, OU isn't leaving the Big12ish unless something devastating happens like both Kansas teams bolt.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 3:54 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Wild,
I get where you are coming from, I'm just saying that isn't how it works. As for Duke/UNC I do understand it. I have a lot of family from North and South Carolina. I also understand that if NC realizes the ACC is about to break up and they are at risk of going to the Big East (or the ACC effectively becomes the Big East) if they stick with Duke with about a $10 mill per year TV Deal or they can leave Duke (though still play them OOC) and make $50-75 mill per year while getting Kentucky as a new conference partner they will be cheering "SEC!" in Chapel Hill. In the end UNC is the big dog over all the other North Carolina schools and by a larger margin than in most states. They will take care of themselves first and foremost.
I do understand the emotional argument. Hell I loved it when I was in school and A&M was in the SWC. We had all our conference games in Texas except Arkie. I would go and stay with friends in Houston for UH or Rice or go stay with Friends in D/FW for SMU/TCU. Baylor and Texas were right down the road. Lubbock and Arkie were the only real road trips. Those days are gone forever though and they aren't coming back. It's all Super Conferences and we should consider ourselves fortunate to be in the best of them that still makes the most geographic sense compared to the rest. I mean the Big 1G just added Maryland and Rutgers. How would you feel about that as a Wisconsin fan? So its about doing the best with what you have. The other simple truth is even if you gave up your season tix there is probably a waiting list behind you. The money it is going to cost Aggies to keep our tix after the new stadium gets built is going to be truly insane so I do get it.
Someone else mentioned FSU adding value in South Florida. Now I'm no geographer but Tallahassee isn't anywhere close to Miami and is farther away that UF. More importantly, an SEC Network will have no trouble getting picked up by every major carrier in Florida at just about any realistic cost and that is all that matters. Florida at its core is still an SEC state and even the folks in South Florida I know all are UF fans. It's not like Miami draws more than a joke for attendance unless they are playing for a Natty. The simple truth is probably only one school in the country that is strong enough nationally for any conference to add them for that draw alone, Notre Dame. ND isn't going to the SEC though so the point is moot.
The other thing you have to remember is the key players in this are A) Mike Slive and the SEC office and B) The University Presidents. One thing both of them agree on is athletics is about maximizing exposure and making money. However if you want the votes from those University Presidents you need to convince them there is some benefit for the academic side. The Presidents of UGA and Bama and Auburn would sure love to go to those AAU meetings and forever be credited as being the one who brought their school into the AAU. Not only is that about prestige it's about money. AAU status means research cash. That's why NC and UVA are huge gets, they both are research giants and simply by them joining the SEC helps the reputation of every SEC school. If they also agree to sponsor other SEC schools for the AAU to go along with the 4 SEC AAU members that's a true no brainer.
I get where you are coming from, I'm just saying that isn't how it works. As for Duke/UNC I do understand it. I have a lot of family from North and South Carolina. I also understand that if NC realizes the ACC is about to break up and they are at risk of going to the Big East (or the ACC effectively becomes the Big East) if they stick with Duke with about a $10 mill per year TV Deal or they can leave Duke (though still play them OOC) and make $50-75 mill per year while getting Kentucky as a new conference partner they will be cheering "SEC!" in Chapel Hill. In the end UNC is the big dog over all the other North Carolina schools and by a larger margin than in most states. They will take care of themselves first and foremost.
I do understand the emotional argument. Hell I loved it when I was in school and A&M was in the SWC. We had all our conference games in Texas except Arkie. I would go and stay with friends in Houston for UH or Rice or go stay with Friends in D/FW for SMU/TCU. Baylor and Texas were right down the road. Lubbock and Arkie were the only real road trips. Those days are gone forever though and they aren't coming back. It's all Super Conferences and we should consider ourselves fortunate to be in the best of them that still makes the most geographic sense compared to the rest. I mean the Big 1G just added Maryland and Rutgers. How would you feel about that as a Wisconsin fan? So its about doing the best with what you have. The other simple truth is even if you gave up your season tix there is probably a waiting list behind you. The money it is going to cost Aggies to keep our tix after the new stadium gets built is going to be truly insane so I do get it.
Someone else mentioned FSU adding value in South Florida. Now I'm no geographer but Tallahassee isn't anywhere close to Miami and is farther away that UF. More importantly, an SEC Network will have no trouble getting picked up by every major carrier in Florida at just about any realistic cost and that is all that matters. Florida at its core is still an SEC state and even the folks in South Florida I know all are UF fans. It's not like Miami draws more than a joke for attendance unless they are playing for a Natty. The simple truth is probably only one school in the country that is strong enough nationally for any conference to add them for that draw alone, Notre Dame. ND isn't going to the SEC though so the point is moot.
The other thing you have to remember is the key players in this are A) Mike Slive and the SEC office and B) The University Presidents. One thing both of them agree on is athletics is about maximizing exposure and making money. However if you want the votes from those University Presidents you need to convince them there is some benefit for the academic side. The Presidents of UGA and Bama and Auburn would sure love to go to those AAU meetings and forever be credited as being the one who brought their school into the AAU. Not only is that about prestige it's about money. AAU status means research cash. That's why NC and UVA are huge gets, they both are research giants and simply by them joining the SEC helps the reputation of every SEC school. If they also agree to sponsor other SEC schools for the AAU to go along with the 4 SEC AAU members that's a true no brainer.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 3:55 pm to bayou2003
quote:
I was going by the U.S. Census and the show "How the States Got Their Shapes". They have Maryland highlighted with the "South" category.
Ah well in that case yes, you are correct. For some reason Maryland is considered the south by the census, although Maryland hasn't truly been southern for over a hundred years.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 3:56 pm to AgLuv
quote:You can't play a championship game with that setup as you do not have two divisions playing a complete round robin.
4 team pods West A West B East A East B You play your pod (3) plus 2 from the other 3 pods (6), rotating the 2 every other year, so you will have a home/ home with everyone in the conf in every 4 year period. SEC title with East vs West.
The only way it works under NCAA rules is, with four pods:
A & B play a complete round robin (7 games per team, 3 from their pod, and 4 from the other pod that composes the division that year), one team in pod C, and one team in pod D. Similar for C & D, in that they play a complete round robin, and one school each from the other two pods.
You could then rotate the pods the next year so that A & C compose one division, and B & D the other.
That's the ONLY way pods work under NCAA rules. You must have the complete round robin within a "division" (even if the division changes yearly) in order to stage a championship.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 3:57 pm to CockInYourEar
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We don't need to, but if we add teams, we should go after teams in Oklahoma, Kansas, North Carolina, or Virginia.
This, they'll go for basketball fire power. You want your conference to be good in ALL sports. Football is already stacked, no point in everybody beating each other up and hurting themselves for a national title run/playoff spot.
Baseball is already good, SEC will add more teams for basketball. Wouldn't be surprised if they go for a KU, UNC, NC State.
If the Big 12 implodes you better believe the SEC and B1G will go after schools like KU, OU, or Okie State, etc.
For some reason I think the Pac 12 will start looking towards the state of Texas for expansion.
This post was edited on 11/19/12 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 11/19/12 at 4:01 pm to baytiger
I love this quad pod concept. Would one pod be ridiculously tough though?
Posted on 11/19/12 at 4:06 pm to bayou2003
Exactly,
The fantasy/dream situation would be to skip another step, add 4 teams now, and those 4 teams to be OU, KU, VaTech and UNC. That would help all sports even more, and the geographic/market share imprint would be 2nd to none.
The fantasy/dream situation would be to skip another step, add 4 teams now, and those 4 teams to be OU, KU, VaTech and UNC. That would help all sports even more, and the geographic/market share imprint would be 2nd to none.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 4:20 pm to CockInYourEar
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CockInYourEar
so you propose us to go to 18 teams
quote:
add 4 teams now, and those 4 teams to be OU, KU, VaTech and UNC.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 4:28 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Miami is like 8 hours away from UF.
lololol
Posted on 11/19/12 at 4:39 pm to bayou2003
Big's end game is to destabilize ACC and grab UVA and UNC. This is just the initial move.
UVA and UNC grads will back Big because of academics and CIC. Slive will need to play to UNC pride as ACC founding member and point out Big's role in ACC destruction. We will either get both schools or neither.
UVA and UNC grads will back Big because of academics and CIC. Slive will need to play to UNC pride as ACC founding member and point out Big's role in ACC destruction. We will either get both schools or neither.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 4:43 pm to UserAU
Assuming the SEC got VT and UNC as well as adopted a nine-game conference schedule with one permanent cross-division rival:
Play three divisional opponents every year + permanent cross-divisional rival + five rotating opponents.
Division One:
South Carolina (Florida)
Tennessee (Alabama)
UNC (Vanderbilt)
VT (A&M)
Division Two:
Florida (South Carolina)
Georgia (Auburn)
Kentucky (Mizzou)
Vanderbilt (UNC)
Division Three:
A&M (VT)
Arkansas (Mississippi State)
LSU (Ole Miss)
Mizzou (Kentucky)
Division Four:
Alabama (Tennessee)
Auburn (Georgia)
Mississippi State (Arkansas)
Ole Miss (LSU)
Play three divisional opponents every year + permanent cross-divisional rival + five rotating opponents.
Division One:
South Carolina (Florida)
Tennessee (Alabama)
UNC (Vanderbilt)
VT (A&M)
Division Two:
Florida (South Carolina)
Georgia (Auburn)
Kentucky (Mizzou)
Vanderbilt (UNC)
Division Three:
A&M (VT)
Arkansas (Mississippi State)
LSU (Ole Miss)
Mizzou (Kentucky)
Division Four:
Alabama (Tennessee)
Auburn (Georgia)
Mississippi State (Arkansas)
Ole Miss (LSU)
Posted on 11/19/12 at 4:44 pm to aggressor
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Wild,
[Wall of Text]
Okay, you win.
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