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re: WVa & TCU > A&M & Mizzou
Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:18 am to busey
Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:18 am to busey
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They don't have a large fan base. They just don't and you're lying to yourself if you believe they do. Filling up 40% of a 100k seat stadium does not prove a damn thing other than them having 40k fans who wanted to go bad enough to buy a ticket.
Proves they can easily sell out home games when Texas, OU and OSU come to town.
No one said "large fan base". The B1G dominates the large fan base category as money and alumni show.
Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:19 am to SunHog
Don't you understand..they will sell out...but their will be 10,000 plus Sooners or sips.
Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:20 am to AGBQ99
The difference is you just jumped in to a conference with schools that already are better than Texas while TCU just has to beat Texas.
Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:20 am to SunHog
I'm just saying they could never have an SEC sized stadium. They could never make the big bucks revenue-wise.
Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:21 am to AGBQ99
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Let's see....TAMU 50,000 students...largest growing alumni base in the country. We have more potential to be better then t.u. then TCU does with 9,000 students compared to OSU 32,456.
Why hasn't that 50,000 student base helped when Arkansas has 24,000 and dominates TAMU?
You are reaching as much as possible right now. Why did Forbes rank Arkansas much higher in Valuable programs than TAMU when y'all have $5B endowment?
I guess Miami has zero potential since they have a small school like TCU.
Stop reaching because I've made solid points.
Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:22 am to busey
TCU has to beat OU...get that straight..they own the Big 12 in football. Who knows if my Ags will ever turn the corner...our leaders have made some BAD coaching hires since Slocum......but we won't fail because of lack of fan support or money.
Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:23 am to AGBQ99
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Don't you understand..they will sell out...but their will be 10,000 plus Sooners or sips.
That money goes to TCU one way or another doesn't it? Winning creates a larger fan base. This isn't hard.
They have better resources than Oklahoma State.
Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:23 am to SunHog
I don't know what the Ag is talking about, but I'm simply talking about a fan base's ability to support their program and fill a stadium.
It's pretty obvious by now that a football program can be successful with little to no fan base or support. See Stanford.
It's pretty obvious by now that a football program can be successful with little to no fan base or support. See Stanford.
Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:24 am to Big12fan
pretty tough for anyone to say they'd be happier seeing TCU and WVU on the schedule over Mizzou and A&M. For now at least.
Who knows how good/bad all those teams will look when playing tougher teams than what they're used to (week in and week out).
A&m is the safest bet by a longshot IMO
Who knows how good/bad all those teams will look when playing tougher teams than what they're used to (week in and week out).
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fan base's ability to support their program and fill a stadium.
A&m is the safest bet by a longshot IMO
This post was edited on 1/5/12 at 12:27 am
Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:24 am to busey
I think we are all arguing different points.
Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:24 am to AGBQ99
One answer to your point...coaching....our idiot leaders can't make a good hire....Petrino and Patterson can coach circles around the last two idiots we hired....jury still out on Sumlin. If better resources is about money..then Okie Lite has them beat....Boone Pickens.
This post was edited on 1/5/12 at 12:26 am
Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:29 am to busey
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It's pretty obvious by now that a football program can be successful with little to no fan base or support. See Stanford.
We will see next year when TCU hosts the Big12 schools. Regardless, I'm saying TCU has more potential for success than almost any other program in the country with their change of conference.
TAMU has always had potential like UCLA but has never done anything about it. UCLA's is a lack of support for facilities. TAMU's seems to be an image problem.
Where would you want to play in the Big12..
My choices.. for a large variety of reasons that include chasing tail in Dallas.
1. Texas
2. OU
3. TCU
4. OSU
5. KSU
etc.
Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:30 am to AGBQ99
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One answer to your point...coaching....our idiot leaders can't make a good hire....Petrino and Patterson can coach circles around the last two idiots we hired....jury still out on Sumlin. If better resources is about money..then Okie Lite has them beat....Boone Pickens.
TAMU has an image problem.
Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:30 am to busey
Well it will be fun to see how this turns out....just don't destroy us too bad in our first year in the SEC!!! Good night guys enjoyed talking football with ya'll.
This post was edited on 1/5/12 at 12:33 am
Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:34 am to AGBQ99
Oh...on the A&M "image" problem. I will agree we probably have the worst marketing in America for a major university but it is improving slowly. One of the reasons going to the SEC was to help market our university to the rest of the nation in the best athletic conference in the USA.
This post was edited on 1/5/12 at 12:35 am
Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:39 am to AGBQ99
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Oh...on the A&M "image" problem. I will agree we probably have the worst marketing in America for a major university but it is improving slowly. One of the reasons going to the SEC was to help market our university to the rest of the nation in the best athletic conference in the USA.
Fair enough.
Posted on 1/5/12 at 12:44 am to busey
What a clusterfrick of a thread. I didn't read through the whole thing but a couple points:
1. The Occupier was unfortunately right in the OP that WV and TCU are better than A&M and Mizzou right now in football, but A&M and Mizzou will generate far more revenue. TCU brings nothing to the conference in terms of a fan base. They really struggle to sell out their stadium now, during easily their best stretch of football since Sammy Baugh. To the Hog who referenced them above, Miami is very much the exception to the rule regarding small private schools, and if TCU were going to have that type of rise as a program it would have happened already.
2. WV is a better addition in my opinion. I question their ability to travel and buy tickets in schools in Texas and Oklahoma though, and I question the ability of the Texas and Oklahoma schools to travel there. Not that big of a deal economically, but it hurts the attitude toward the conference and the cohesiveness, which is a big reason why the SEC and B1G are successful as conferences IMO.
3. There are few people who will make fun of our mediocrity as a football program more than me, but anyone who doubts our potential as a football program is stupid. If we got the right coach, we could be a top 10-15 program every single year. Has our long stretch of shittyness made it impossible to get that coach? Very possible. But the potential is there, even if it is decreasing with every shitty year we have.
1. The Occupier was unfortunately right in the OP that WV and TCU are better than A&M and Mizzou right now in football, but A&M and Mizzou will generate far more revenue. TCU brings nothing to the conference in terms of a fan base. They really struggle to sell out their stadium now, during easily their best stretch of football since Sammy Baugh. To the Hog who referenced them above, Miami is very much the exception to the rule regarding small private schools, and if TCU were going to have that type of rise as a program it would have happened already.
2. WV is a better addition in my opinion. I question their ability to travel and buy tickets in schools in Texas and Oklahoma though, and I question the ability of the Texas and Oklahoma schools to travel there. Not that big of a deal economically, but it hurts the attitude toward the conference and the cohesiveness, which is a big reason why the SEC and B1G are successful as conferences IMO.
3. There are few people who will make fun of our mediocrity as a football program more than me, but anyone who doubts our potential as a football program is stupid. If we got the right coach, we could be a top 10-15 program every single year. Has our long stretch of shittyness made it impossible to get that coach? Very possible. But the potential is there, even if it is decreasing with every shitty year we have.
Posted on 1/5/12 at 3:51 am to WelcomeToDeathValley
Best part about the thread is the amount of people who were compelled to believe that the OP warranted legitimate attention.
Posted on 1/5/12 at 3:56 am to SunHog
SunHog, however, is exactly right about our image problem...it's the only justification for the anomaly that is Texas A&M football. I think we've taken some recent strides to begin what will be a long remedial process, though.
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