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re: Doesn't it speak volumes that Alabama being voted
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:44 pm to OneMoreTime
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:44 pm to OneMoreTime
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The only close wins were against texas a&m and texas who is ranked #24 in the final bcs poll.
You know both of those teams are very bad. And didn't they have a close game with TT?
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Why should I just have to rank those? Why can't I rank their overall schedules by what they accomplished?
I would go OSU>Bama>Stanford
It's of my opinion that Alabama would bitch slap every team on OSU's really tough schedule. What game on their schedule was really really tough?
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Ok. What's their second best win? Or third? Or fourth?
That's where that argument falls apart.
At some point third and forth best wins are no different than any win over a shitty team. Playing a bunch of mediocre teams isn't as hard as playing 1 or 2 REALLY tough games.
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Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:45 pm to LSUdm21
This bama team is better than any Yankee's, Red Sox, Steelers, and Patriots teams combined.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:48 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:Yeah A&M is pretty bad, but they did also almost beat Arky.
You know both of those teams are very bad
quote:If you call 66-6 close
And didn't they have a close game with TT?
quote:K State and Oklahoma were pretty good this year. Baylor is no slouch either. It's of my opinion that OSU would bitch slap everyone on Bama's schedule outside of LSU. What game on their schedule besides LSU was really really tough?
It's of my opinion that Alabama would bitch slap every team on OSU's really tough schedule. What game on their schedule was really really tough?
quote:Umm...it's very different.
At some point third and forth best wins are no different than any win over a shitty team. Playing a bunch of mediocre teams isn't as hard as playing 1 or 2 REALLY tough games.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:48 pm to Louie T
It's a valid argument when your team is still really good and passes the eye test. Alabama didn't shy away from tough games. They play in the SEC and traveled to PSU. They beat the piss out of most teams they played and aren't any worse of a team just because those teams aren't as good.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:50 pm to ReauxlTide222
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aren't any worse of a team just because those teams aren't as good.
when you beat up on inferior competition...it doesn't make you superior.
You know, like the argument you made against OSU in your OP.
Fail gump, fail.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:50 pm to ReauxlTide222
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It's a valid argument when your team is still really good and passes the eye test. Alabama didn't shy away from tough games. They play in the SEC and traveled to PSU. They beat the piss out of most teams they played and aren't any worse of a team just because those teams aren't as good.
This is seriously idiotic
This post was edited on 12/5/11 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:50 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:I'm shocked it took this long for these words to come out.
passes the eye test
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:51 pm to Louie T
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There's a difference between best and most deserving. I think Bama is the 2nd best team, but not necessarily the 2nd most deserving team.
Agree 100%, there is a difference and I agree that Bama appears to be a better team than OK State at this point.
More deserving? I dunno? This is even more subjective than the actual rankings? I'll only say that the primary objective of the BCS is to find the two best teams. By your admission you agree Bama is.
Deserving? Life isn't fair. The BCS did exactly what it was put in place to do and some go into melt down mode.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:52 pm to OneMoreTime
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If you call 66-6 close
Ooops
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K State and Oklahoma were pretty good this year. Baylor is no slouch either. It's of my opinion that OSU would bitch slap everyone on Bama's schedule outside of LSU. What game on their schedule besides LSU was really really tough?
Exactly my point. The schedule thing isn't THAT big of a deal this year with these two teams. Both teams would have done pretty much the same thing with either other's schedule. But I think Alabama would have looked better playing both.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:53 pm to OneMoreTime
It's certainly valid to argue Oklahoma St has a better case than Alabama and a significant of the voters feel this way right?
However, the one thing people who keep mentioning about "overall body of work" is that even if Alabama's opponents weren't across the board as deep as Oklahoma States' Alabama simply demolished every one of them.
Oklahoma St escaped A&M on a wing and a prayer. If we're looking only at wins, Alabama had no win as close at that or their win at home over Kansas St by 7 points.
Isn't how convincing / dominant the wins are something you can also consider at least a tiny little bit if you're claiming to look at overall body of work?
However, the one thing people who keep mentioning about "overall body of work" is that even if Alabama's opponents weren't across the board as deep as Oklahoma States' Alabama simply demolished every one of them.
Oklahoma St escaped A&M on a wing and a prayer. If we're looking only at wins, Alabama had no win as close at that or their win at home over Kansas St by 7 points.
Isn't how convincing / dominant the wins are something you can also consider at least a tiny little bit if you're claiming to look at overall body of work?
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:54 pm to breeze
quote:That's YOUR interpretation of it. Nowhere does it state it's supposed to be the 2 best teams...just the top 2 teams.
I'll only say that the primary objective of the BCS is to find the two best teams.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:54 pm to OneMoreTime
It is used by pro's everywhere. Baseball scouts use the "eye test" evaluating prospects and so do NFL scouts. Teams are no different.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:55 pm to wm72
quote:It is something you consider. But I'd say that the caliber of teams you've beaten is more important than how badly you beat them.
Isn't how convincing / dominant the wins are something you can also consider at least a tiny little bit if you're claiming to look at overall body of work?
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:56 pm to wm72
Thank you. You're better at making your point tan me
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:57 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:We're not evaluating prospects.
It is used by pro's everywhere. Baseball scouts use the "eye test" evaluating prospects and so do NFL scouts. Teams are no different.
We're looking at football teams.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:57 pm to ReauxlTide222
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What would you say is more impressive and telling of how good they are. Alabama's loss to LSU? Any one of OSU's very close wins over mediocre teams? Or Stanford's win over USC? Rank them. You could say Stanford's win over USC was more impressive than any win OSU had. And Alabama's LOSS was more impressive than many of OSU's wins.
Id say that a win over usc isnt very telling considering usc got smoked by arizona st.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:00 pm to OneMoreTime
And I haven't even mentioned the absurd computer rankings that Big12 teams have this year. They are down right laughable and a big reason why people look at some of OSU's wins and think they are good wins. OSU really lucked out with that.
Auburn and Texas have been ranked pretty close in the BCS all year but NOBODY would ever mention Auburn as a so so to good win. Because they suck. But I'v seen Texas thrown around like they're the shite when it comes to OSU beating them. It's those wins that OSU gets credit for that don't mean anything to me.
Auburn and Texas have been ranked pretty close in the BCS all year but NOBODY would ever mention Auburn as a so so to good win. Because they suck. But I'v seen Texas thrown around like they're the shite when it comes to OSU beating them. It's those wins that OSU gets credit for that don't mean anything to me.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:01 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:Your arguments are beyond fricking horrendous.
And I haven't even mentioned the absurd computer rankings that Big12 teams have this year. They are down right laughable and a big reason why people look at some of OSU's wins and think they are good wins. OSU really lucked out with that.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:01 pm to OneMoreTime
It works for evaluating football teams too.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:03 pm to JOHNN
They really turned it on but weren't playing at a high level all year. Good point.
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