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re: Doesn't it speak volumes that Alabama being voted
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:19 pm to Louie T
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:19 pm to Louie T
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That doesn't mean all that much
What happens if Bama loses and OSU wins?
It means that on Dec 4th, although OK State has a very good team, more people thought Bama has a stronger team. Beating a dead horse here, but the loss to a 6-loss team, 4 TD underdog in Iowa State did not help OK State's case.
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Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:20 pm to OneMoreTime
quote:He says that yet says it's not conceivable that Bama be ranked any lower than 3. He's obviously talking from a Bama fan's perspective.
No. They can't. Who has Stanford beaten? Who has Okie St beaten? End of argument right there.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:21 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:Is this a joke?
The NCAA doesn't look at the best team or historic powers when they decide who goes where.
One of the main reasons yall finished above Okie State is because yall have "name recognition."
They should look at body of work to see who deserves it more.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:21 pm to OneMoreTime
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Bowl games outside of the national championship aren't always won by the better team. It's a crapshoot.
Unfortunate I suppose, but the field is the best place to make your case? This is OK State's chance to make a point... late perhaps.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:22 pm to Golfer
At the time Alabama was looking at it's SEC schedule plus traveling to PSU. What about that warrants being left out of a NC if there are many 1 loss teams, and when Alabama's only loss is to the number 1 ranked team in OT? Please tell.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:23 pm to Louie T
quote:Yep. It's hypocritical.
He says that yet says it's not conceivable that Bama be ranked any lower than 3. He's obviously talking from a Bama fan's perspective.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:23 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:A team that has more quality wins???
What about that warrants being left out of a NC if there are many 1 loss teams, and when Alabama's only loss is to the number 1 ranked team in OT? Please tell.
I can understand both teams' perspectives, but any Bama fan that can't understand why OSU could have a case for being put in is a moronic homer.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:24 pm to breeze
quote:What point can they make that they haven't made throughout the season? That they deserve to be in the BCSNCG? It's too late for that now. I wouldn't be surprised if they came up really flat after the disappointment of missing out on the big game by such a small margin.
Unfortunate I suppose, but the field is the best place to make your case? This is OK State's chance to make a point... late perhaps.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:24 pm to OneMoreTime
Stanford beat USC, a top 10 team and lost to Oregon. OSU beat K State, a top ten team, and lost to Iowa State. You can't be losing to teams like that.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:25 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:When the other team up for consideration has much more quality wins and a worse loss.
At the time Alabama was looking at it's SEC schedule plus traveling to PSU. What about that warrants being left out of a NC if there are many 1 loss teams, and when Alabama's only loss is to the number 1 ranked team in OT? Please tell.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:26 pm to OneMoreTime
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No. They can't. Who has Stanford beaten? Who has Okie St beaten? End of argument right there.
FWIW, I would vote Oklahoma St over Stanford because their schedule had a lot more decently good team however to say there's no argument is simply hyperbole.
USC is, to many, a better team than either Oklahoma or Kansas ST. Only losing to a top 5 Oregon is sure as hell a lot better than 6-6 Iowa ST.
Whether you agree or not, to say Stanford has both the most impressive win and loss is certainly not beyond argument.
That's why only about 1 in 12 voters had Stanford #3 but that percentage seems about right to me.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:27 pm to Louie T
I said they could make a case to be in. As could Alabama. But there could be, and was, a case that OSU wasn't even the 3rd ranked team the last 2 weeks. Alabama was without doubt AT LEAST the 3rd ranked team. That has to mean something.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:27 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:Who else did each team beat? All Alabama fans love to focus in on just losses since that's the one category yall have over everyone else.
Stanford beat USC, a top 10 team and lost to Oregon. OSU beat K State, a top ten team, and lost to Iowa State. You can't be losing to teams like that.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:27 pm to Louie T
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any Bama fan that can't understand why OSU could have a case for being put in is a moronic homer.
I think most agree that they have a case. This one came down to who had a better case, as is usually the case? Can't remember a year when there wasn't a little crying over someone losing an argument (case) like this.
BTW, a case can be made that the loss to Iowa State is enough to suggest Stanford is a better team and could beat them straigh up. The Fiesta will tell.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:29 pm to wm72
quote:Who else has Stanford beaten outside of USC?
FWIW, I would vote Oklahoma St over Stanford because their schedule had a lot more decently good team however to say there's no argument is simply hyperbole.
USC is, to many, a better team than either Oklahoma or Kansas ST. Only losing to a top 5 Oregon is sure as hell a lot better than 6-6 Iowa ST.
Whether you agree or not, to say Stanford has both the most impressive win and loss is certainly not beyond argument.
That's why only about 1 in 12 voters had Stanford #3 but that percentage seems about right to me.
How is there no argument for voters putting Stanford over Alabama?
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:30 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:Dude, it's other people's opinions. The same controversial opinions that people are currently arguing about. You being ranked in the top 3 two weeks ago doesn't strengthen your case.
I said they could make a case to be in. As could Alabama. But there could be, and was, a case that OSU wasn't even the 3rd ranked team the last 2 weeks. Alabama was without doubt AT LEAST the 3rd ranked team. That has to mean something.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:30 pm to OneMoreTime
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Who else did each team beat? All Alabama fans love to focus in on just losses since that's the one category yall have over everyone else.
Put as much lip stick on it as you like, but the loss to a horrible Iowa State team affected this very close race. It is what it is. They had their shot. They were favored by 4 TDs FFS
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:31 pm to OneMoreTime
What would you say is more impressive and telling of how good they are. Alabama's loss to LSU? Any one of OSU's very close wins over mediocre teams? Or Stanford's win over USC? Rank them. You could say Stanford's win over USC was more impressive than any win OSU had. And Alabama's LOSS was more impressive than many of OSU's wins.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:32 pm to breeze
quote:A case can be made to show Stanford is better than Alabama. Doesn't make it true
BTW, a case can be made that the loss to Iowa State is enough to suggest Stanford is a better team and could beat them straigh up. The Fiesta will tell.
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:32 pm to breeze
quote:It's pathetic that yall can't look at the whole body of work instead of just one loss.
Put as much lip stick on it as you like, but the loss to a horrible Iowa State team affected this very close race. It is what it is. They had their shot. They were favored by 4 TDs FFS
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