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Posted on 1/26/24 at 1:10 pm to
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 1/26/24 at 1:10 pm to
Just my opinion but small slot receivers of the quality of Bond, while not a dime a dozen, are certainly easier to replace than if you lost Jameson Williams, Jaylen Waddle, or Julio Jones.

Also, tweener TEs who are really big body receivers are not exactly uncommon if you recruit in the top athletes these days. We lost Niblack but essentially got another body type match in the incoming class.
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
In The Ham
Member since Nov 2017
11676 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 1:20 pm to
Hopefully the new TE coach can bring our TE's up to at least the good mark. 45 and 81 are so average. Hell, there uniforms were never dirty because all the did was push and shove.
Posted by Amarillo Tide
Amarillo, TX
Member since Aug 2023
420 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 1:26 pm to
Ouzts at least is a pretty good blocker. Dippre is a mediocre blocker and Niblack was a HORRIBLE blocker. He didn’t even half way try most of the time.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
11300 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 1:31 pm to
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There isn't anything for me to believe that Bond would be substainally better in this offense than Bernard

Come on, no one is starting Bernard over Bond. He caught a bag and it is what it is, but based on what they've shown on the field we took a step back and lost a guy who should've been taking the top off defenses if used effectively the last two years and was without doubt or question going to be WR1 next year.
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however if you believe the current core of receivers will be worse overall and is clearly less talented than last year fair enough we will see in the fall.

I see no evidence whatsoever we will be better at WR next year.

Can we get reasonable production out of those guys? Maybe.

Do we have anyone going into the spring who is a proven WR1 talent?
Not that I've seen.

Anyone who will require a double team?
Not as of now. Williams might grow into that role, I haven't watched him enough to know what to expect out of the gate.

Would any of these guys likely start over the guys we had last year which was itself somewhat pedestrian compared to past groups to begin with?
I think Bernard would start over Benson at WR3, but that's it.
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Also we could easily get better TE play out of Odom or this system could fit one of other TE better.

Can you think of many TF TE's who have come in and contributed early? I cant. Dipre should be enough to get us production until Odom is ready, but almost every team in the country would've loved to have Niblack and we shouldn't pretend he doesn't matter just because he jumped ship.

He would've been ideal in DeBoer's system as a big WR / flex TE and just because our QB wasnt seeing the field doesn't mean he wasn't doing his job in getting open. He can't throw the ball to himself, just like we found during the Hurts era where the same guys were all the sudden twice as effective when Tua showed up.
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Again the Proctor thing, if the line is better overall which it should be, why would care if we lost Proctor

We lost a starting LT who was a #1 OT in the country out of HS the same year we lost our other starting tackle who happens to be a projected top 10 NFL draft pick to the NFL.

We replace the LT with a guy who lost the job to the guy who left last year and a transfer from A&M who hasn't ever started a game.

There is reason to think both Pritchett and the kid from A&M can be productive, but that doesn't mean what we will run out there is equal to what we would've had.

At a minimum the coaches would've much preferred to have Pritchett (who is facing charges BTW) fight it out with the transfer for the other spot. Now we have to bank on both of them staying healthy and being productive or we have major problems on the edges like we did while Proctor figured things out early in 2023.

I agree C is a major upgrade and a perfect fit for the new blocking scheme. The IOL looks outstanding on paper and I'm really excited to see what the run game can do with Haynes/Miller/Young without major issues up the middle like we last year.

But this is how I see it:
LT-downgrade
LG-equal but more experienced
C-improved
RG-equal but more experienced
RT-downgrade

This post was edited on 1/26/24 at 3:58 pm
Posted by Carlton
Good Cop/Bad Cop
Member since Feb 2016
11762 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 1:48 pm to
Simply put if you believe that based on specific personnel that offense will be worse next year fair enough. I think it is fair to say with the depth and talent that we have along with a new scheme and coaching we will be substainally better and overall our talent level is not far off from what we had and due to the new staff we will out perform last year. We will likely play better at every unit than last year on O even though we lost talent. I definitely believe that Bernard, Law, Hale, Prentice, Hamilton and possibly Williams is an extremely strong receiving core that will excel in this offense and will produce.

I believe that the Dline is just as talented if not more so. My hope is the linebackers are better coached and improve with the same talent basically. Finally we clearly lack depth and experience in the secondary. We had a bunch of NFL guys back there so I don't expect it to be as good especially if we don't get more people in but we have talent on the roster and coming in and could be pleasantly surprised.

Overall based on what your saying is that you don't believe we have the talent that would replace the production of Bond, NiBlack and Proctor. I believe we easily do with not only our overall talent but coaching as well.

We will likely not be as good at Kicker.
This post was edited on 1/26/24 at 3:30 pm
Posted by Remiden
Member since Jan 2018
1322 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 1:57 pm to
I don't see that we will be worse at WR. Maybe not better, but not worse.

I agree with you on the loss of Bond being significant. And we will see who WR1 will be this year. That being said, nothing in Bonds career points at him being a guy who would require a double team, or that he would be WR1. He has the potential, but to say that no one on the roster has shown it, you have to admit that he hasn't shown it either. In a different offense, maybe he is up crazy numbers, or maybe he never gets it together.

However, and this is just my opinion, I don't think we lost much with Burton leaving. I was never overly impressed with him. I did think he stepped up later in the season and made some physical catches. I also think he wasn't a great route runner and was having to make those catches because he couldn't get consistent separation. Which hurts more because I think he was Milroe's first read the majority of the time. I think you could have plugged in Prentice or Law and gotten the same results as Burton, but I think Burton was Milroe's security blanket, a role that Bond started to take over later in the season. With the exception of the TAMU game for Burton, neither he, nor Bond really took over and became a worry for a defense. Bond had more catches, but played in two more games.

I also wasn't impressed with Benson. He wasn't nearly as good as advertised, so I think replacing at least Burton and Benton's performance will not be hard.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
15208 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 2:24 pm to
TE are as good as the OC that schemes for them.

This is why Billingsley looked like OG Unc (Shannon Sharpe) with Sark but then looked like an absolute bum with Bill O'Brien.

It sucks to lose NiBlack but we just got a super OC who is proven to scheme like the best so he can make any one of our TEs look at least decent.... as long as they can catch
Posted by Bear88
Member since Oct 2014
13341 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 2:24 pm to
I think ( hope) DeBoer will use our WR guys in space and get a lot more production out of them than Rees
Posted by tattoo
Fantasy Island
Member since Oct 2017
1809 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 2:57 pm to
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We lost a starting LT who was a #1 OT in the country out of HS the same year we lost our starting RT to the draft.
I don't know if Proctor would even start for this coaching staff because of the type of tackles they require - guys that are agile and can move in ways that Proctor never has. Not saying the KP is not a good player but he is NOT the type of OT that DeBoer wants. Even if he were willing and able to lose 40 lbs or so, I don't know if he has the agility and athleticism this staff requires.

I would rather have Bond than not, but IMO, the drop off will be minimal if any. If Williams will work, and he seems to want to be great, he can be an upgrade now. He almost certainly will be eventually - this year.

Downs is a great player and will be missed, but the D will not collapse. But he, like every other player, will be replaced. I think the aggressive coaching will be refreshing and effective. It would have been better with Downs. But why whine over it?

Niblack is a nice TE, but it's not an important position. His attitude seemed to be lacking. Sarkisian will use him but I doubt he will be missed at Alabama.

The loss of Amos and Little, IMO, is much more important than Proctor, Bond and Niblack combined. The secondary needs more experience. Moore and Jackson will provide some but not enough. Hopefully, more is on the way and/or the super/skilled freshman can grow up quickly.

In summary: IMO, only the secondary and likely the OTs have been affected by the post-Saban portal losses and I don't think Proctor was going to be the answer at one of the tackles anyway. He's probably not even a guard in Alabama's new OL and don't need guards.
Posted by JojoTide
Member since Jan 2024
76 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 3:09 pm to
Let’s not sleep on Hurley. He is a Bama kid that chose to stay. Appears to be the ONLY one aside from Jackson who is a xfer. I will be rooting especially for this guy to ball.
Posted by bamatide07
Member since Jan 2019
3316 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 3:13 pm to
Tony Mitchell stuck around too. Hopefully he will take steps to earn a starting spot.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
11300 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 3:24 pm to
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Let’s do that. It means able to be replaced.

I’d guess how that actually plays out in the real world is, if you see someone different from Downs, this spring and fall, playing in the safety position where Downs would have played, then he was replaced. How is this suck a difficult concept to comprehend and accept?

I think we're arguing semantics here.

If you want to define "replacing" a player as just having someone take the field wearing a Bama uniform playing those positions, then sure, we have "replacements" for everyone we lost. Bama will have guys at WR, LT and FS taking the field next September. I don't think anyone is worried about Alabama fielding a football team.

When I say "replace" I was obviously referring to production or potential production.

I mean the San Francisco Giants had a guy play LF the year after Barry Bonds retired, so by your definition they replaced him. My point is that their LF position went from producing an OPS of 1.032 and 3.2 WAR to .632 OPS and -.2 WAR. So while Dave Roberts was playing LF for the Giants, he sure as **** didn't "replace" Barry Bonds production.

This post was edited on 1/26/24 at 3:53 pm
Posted by Sauron
Birmingham
Member since Dec 2015
997 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 3:46 pm to
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When I say "replace" I was obviously referring to production or potential production.


Your point just reinforces for me how potentially short-sighted the transfers of Bond and Niblack were.

Both of those guys had the potential to put up excellent numbers in this offense. Now, they might do the same thing at Texas -- Sark is an offensive genius as well. But to my mind they sold themselves short by focusing only on NIL for 2024.

In essence, they traded one unknown situation -- the new coaching staff -- for two unknowns: a different coaching staff at Texas, AND their new teammates. Who knows how they'll be received or how they'll fit in with the Texas players?

I believe they might have cost themselves money in the long run (i.e., their initial NFL deals) by taking a short-term payout. In essence, they sold their stock in themselves just as the market was about to take off.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
11300 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 3:47 pm to
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I agree with you on the loss of Bond being significant. And we will see who WR1 will be this year. That being said, nothing in Bonds career points at him being a guy who would require a double team, or that he would be WR1

Is he in the NFL 1st RD WR1 tier we had for awhile? Absolutely not, he's not Amari Cooper/Devonta Smith/Jaylen Waddle level good.

But I think in the right system with the right QB he could've been Henry Ruggs circa 2019, we just never got to see it because we couldn't throw simple slants for fear of picks this year and BY didn't have the arm to hit him deep last year post injury.
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However, and this is just my opinion, I don't think we lost much with Burton leaving. I was never overly impressed with him. I did think he stepped up later in the season and made some physical catches. I also think he wasn't a great route runner and was having to make those catches because he couldn't get consistent separation. Which hurts more because I think he was Milroe's first read the majority of the time.

I agree that Burton is also not an elite WR1, but he was clearly the best we had early and midseason last year. As you mentioned, in the A&M game and in a couple other key situations the guy just made plays and converted some likely losses into wins.

To me ideally he would've been John Metchie to Isaiah Bonds Jameson Williams role from 2021, but the system was so limited due to the QB and scheme that it never materialized.

All of that said, do you have any doubt he would be WR1 with the group we have for next year? I don't.

I think Benson was basically a dog playing frisbee at the beach. Lots of speed, questionable focus and no understanding of the game or routes at all. He's an athlete playing WR, not a WR who is athletic. All of which is terrible when playing with a QB who needed predictability desperately.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
11300 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 3:51 pm to
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Your point just reinforces for me how potentially short-sighted the transfers of Bond and Niblack were.

I think they ran to a bag and away from Jalen Milroe.

To your point, if we get improved play from him or whoever else ends up taking snaps at QB, DeBoer is going to make pros out of guys at WR and the number of receptions to be split is going to be back to 2018-2019 level.

My guess is you are going to see an offensive transition much like what we experienced going from Daboll & Jalen Hurts to Mike Locksley and Tua. We just need to make sure we have someone to trigger the system he desperately wants to run and some guys who can get open deep to spread the field and make plays.
Posted by Remiden
Member since Jan 2018
1322 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 4:00 pm to
I agree that i would pencil him in at WR1 before spring, and probably going into fall. I don't think Law could take it away from him, but I have a suspicion that he would have been this years Burton and not be WR1 by the end of the year. However, that usually predicates on who the QB develops the strongest bond and trust with. Which is the only reason why I think Burton got the targets he got. If Milroe is QB1, I think Bond would have been WR1 the whole year. If another QB wins it, I have my doubts. If Simpson wins it, I think Hale is immediately WR1, because those two seem to have synced up already. I would expect Williams to have a big role, and I think Henderson could be the sleeper on this team.


This post was edited on 1/26/24 at 4:02 pm
Posted by bamatide07
Member since Jan 2019
3316 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 4:18 pm to
Germie Bernard will have a role. DeBoer brought him to Alabama because he knows the offense. It’s going to be interesting to see how the quarterback competition goes this spring with a new staff and clean slate.
Posted by bamatide07
Member since Jan 2019
3316 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 4:48 pm to
Also trying to find out why people keep forgetting about Kobe Prentice.
Posted by Remiden
Member since Jan 2018
1322 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 5:14 pm to
My biggest concern about Prentice is that his role seemed to regress from the previous year. He looked like he was going to be a weapon at the beginning of the year last year, but really tapered off after the Tennessee game. I like Prentice and I'm excited to see what he can do in Grubb's system. Honestly, I think we have a ton of talent and I'm pumped to see what happens this spring.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11848 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 5:51 pm to
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I think ( hope) DeBoer will use our WR guys in space and get a lot more production out of them than Rees


From what I remember I saw a lot of WRs in space but were never thrown to or looked at. SO not sure that was a Rees thing or not.
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