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re: Official Portal Thread

Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:51 am to
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:51 am to
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Lost Caleb Downs, the best player on the team. The best safety Alabama has had since 2017 and a sure fire top 10 pick in the draft.

He is not replaceable.


So now safety is LT, DE or QB?

I think people are actually right about you being a barner posting as a gump.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
11302 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:01 am to
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If you look at it in total, what we basically lost was experience and depth in the secondary.

-WR1 with 1st rd upside
-Top 10 pick at FS
-#1 overall potential QB
-Starter at DB
-Another potential starter at DB (Little)
-Starter at TE
-Potential 1st rd starter at LT
-A bunch of depth

If you want to include C and RB, we lost seven starters, or almost 1/3 of our total starters.

Are some of them replaceable? Sure.

Proctor, Downs, Bond, Niblack and arguably Sayin are far better than anything we could realistically hope to replace them with in the portal.

People need to stop pretending like you have to be some closet Auburn fan to acknowledge losing 1/3 of your starters, including some of the most talented players in the country is not a good thing.
Posted by Alfie Solomons
Alabama
Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:15 am to
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He is not replaceable.


Saying a player isn’t replaceable is retarded.

How many Alabama players that aren’t “replaceable” have come through the program and left and then have been replaced?

Why are we freaking out that this dude transferred? If Downs would have stayed and left early for the draft would we be freaking out and saying he’s not replaceable?
Posted by bamatide07
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:18 am to
remaster is an Auburn fan.
Posted by Carlton
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Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:22 am to
Damn it you are going to make me do this, fine.

We lost a WR with 1st round potential, which is a key word, and gained a receiver who was going to be the lead receiver in an offense that is going to produce 3 NFL draft picks. We also are potentially adding an impact recruit at the position.

We lost a freshman QB who has great potential but who has never played a down for us and added a QB that for this offense is the equivalent to that player in the mind of the coaching staff.

We lost a TE who literally has 21 catches in his career, we are basically looking at his potential in the new offense. The idea that guys on this roster can't flourish in this offense as much or more than NiBlack is nonsense. Plus TE are overrated anyway not named Brock Bowers.

We lost a first round Tackle which is true but we gained the best center in the country and one of the best Oline coaches in the country. You don't need a first round right tackle to have a good line which last year proved. What you need is a cohesive unit that plays well together. The expectation is we get that.

I dont disagree with the secondary that is what I said depth and experience in that area.

Now about the depth everywhere else.

QB, replace Sayin with Mack

RB lost Roydell but I am sure most are happy with talent and depth there

WR, Lost Bond gained Bernard, I doubt there is much concern between the talent of the guys we lost and the guys we have.

Oline lost Proctor and Ferguson, gained a competent center and is a group that can easily be way better than last year even with those loses.

Dline as good if not better with Overton

Linebackers, the same possibly better with Carter

DB lost a ton of depth and experience.

We all know this isn't an exact science and obviously experience and position depth is impacted, but if you look at the ratings of players we lost (sans going into the NFL) we have basically replaced about the same number of 3, 4 and 5 stars we lost through the portal with our additions and draft class. Some things are not one to one like say Downs for Williams, but we also lost "depth" guys like Buchner and Holstein.

Depending on the specialist we are somewhere between 80-83 scholly players with still some to be lost and added problem.

And by the way no one said losing these guys was a good thing. The point is, one, the talent overall on the roster is at or near what it was when Saban retired and two you can hope to expect improved performance via coaching.
This post was edited on 1/26/24 at 11:29 am
Posted by 1BamaRTR
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Member since Apr 2015
22564 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:30 am to
Of all the dumb things he said was loss, the dumbest by far was saying losing the previous center was a loss. Seth was absolutely garbage and was replaced by the 2nd highest graded center in the country
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
11302 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:33 am to
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Saying a player isn’t replaceable is retarded.

Let’s define replaceable as someone who you can bring in or promote a player of equal or greater value.

Who could we conceivably bring in from the portal that would be better than the guys we lost? If we can’t find someone of equal value we have people who can start for them, but not at the level of production we had before.

There aren’t any players available in the portal as good as Bond, Proctor or Downs. Therefore how are they replaceable?

We are still really good but to pretend losing those guys doesn’t matter is laughable.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
11302 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:48 am to
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WR, Lost Bond gained Bernard, I doubt there is much concern between the talent of the guys we lost and the guys we have.



We downgraded at WR. Period. Williams is a TF recruit, not a transfer and Bond >>> Bernard
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We lost a TE who literally has 21 catches in his career, we are basically looking at his potential in the new offense.

We downgraded at TE. The fact that we under utilized him due to QB play or system doesn't matter.
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We lost a first round Tackle which is true

Proctor > Betrand, downgrade.
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we gained the best center in the country

Agree completely, major upgrade and a great get.
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QB, replace Sayin with Mack

Coaches get to make that call, we will see how it plays out.
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RB lost Roydell but I am sure most are happy with talent and depth there

As long as we hold Haynes, Miller and Young I'm good there
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S

downgrade
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DB

We added Jackson but lost Amos and Little, both of whom were starter level. I like Jackson but I'd rather have Amos and Little than just Jackson.
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DL

TBD, as long as we hold Oatis who has been flirting hard with Ole Miss we will upgrading with Overton.

So in other words we upgraded at C, but downgraded a minimum of 4 or 5 other positions.
This post was edited on 1/26/24 at 11:51 am
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
19726 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:48 am to
quote:

Proctor, Downs, Bond, Niblack
or one of those players we have coming in the new class or already on campus comes in and did just as good or better. The team turns over every year, just turned over a bit more. It's a new staff so it's a new start everywhere. I can say pretty definitely proctor at least was going to have to lose about 20lbs to be able to play LT when huff takes over, his lines require athleticism, and I would have been surprised if he remained the starter without a body recomposition.

Sure downs was good to great, especially as a true freshman, but let's not ignore he was not great in coverage, more of a run stopper ,and he got picked on quite a bit by the better qbs. We have a 5 star Mincey coming in, who's to say he can't be just as good early?

Bond is the most replaceable, and I think he had in fact been replaced by someone just as variable in Bernard. Bernard actually had more all purpose yards and the same# of tds than bond did last year despite being the 4th option at wr

I take it back, niblack is the most replaceable. That dude's was lazy as frick and sucked at blocking, just like that other te we had recently who transferred to Texas and who's name I can't now remember. If we just want a big receiving right end, odom in the incoming class is going to be an upgrade from niblack
This post was edited on 1/26/24 at 9:46 pm
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
11302 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:58 am to
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Bond is the most replaceable, and I think he had in fact been replaced by someone just as variable in Bernard. Bernard actually had more all purpose yards and the same# of tds than bond did last year despite being the 4th option at wr

We grossly misused Bond. He is a burner and because of QB play instead of hitting him on slants like Ruggs we used him like an undersized possession WR.

If Bond got to play with Tua, Mac or a healthy BY he would've doubled his numbers.
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I take it back, niblack is the most replaceable. That dude's was lazy as frick and sucked at blocking, just like that other te we had recently who transferred to Texas and who's name I can't now remember. If we just want a big receiving right end, odom in the incoming class is going to be an upgrade from niblack

Niblack doesn't block well, most of the flex TE's don't. He wasn't brought in to be a road grader.

He was brought in to get open across the middle and he usually was. If you went to many of the games, he like some of our other targets were often wide open but our QB never found them and some of the routes were not available because the staff didn't trust Milroe.

Go back and watch some of our guys when Hurts was QB. They started moping because they'd get open and not get the ball as well. Some of those same guys ended up 1st rd WR1 types when Tua came in an unlocked their potential.

I agree Odom is going to be good, but he's a TF TE and to expect him to make a major difference until later in the season at best is very optimistic.
Posted by Carlton
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Member since Feb 2016
11763 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 12:25 pm to
We will just disagree on this or maybe I am just not finalizing us as worse off this early.

First I called Williams a recruit so I am not sure what you are saying there. There isn't anything for me to believe that Bond would be substainally better in this offense than Bernard, however if you believe the current core of receivers will be worse overall and is clearly less talented than last year fair enough we will see in the fall.

I don't see how you say we downgraded at TE based on the guys production. He hasn't done anything to prove your eval even if he was missed in the offense. Also we could easily get better TE play out of Odom or this system could fit one of other TE better.

Where else did you say we downgraded? Again the Proctor thing, if the line is better overall which it should be, why would care if we lost Proctor. If the wide receiver core as a whole is more productive why would care if we lost Bond.

But either way if you feel as though the offense has significantly downgraded and doesn't have depth fair enough. I don't think the numbers bear that out. The only place I see where work needs to be done is the secondary and maybe a depth Olineman.
This post was edited on 1/26/24 at 12:27 pm
Posted by bamatide07
Member since Jan 2019
3316 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 12:28 pm to
Can’t we use the spring transfer portal window to bring in a couple of defensive backs ? Seems like people are forgetting that little fact. Amos and Key were brought in after spring training last year.
Posted by My2Bits
2500 mi from Tuscaloosa due west
Member since Jun 2012
4826 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 12:29 pm to
How are they replaceable? Portal players don’t have to be replaced by the portal. They can be replaced by depth players on the team, by recruiting and yes by the portal. Bond can be replaced by Law, Williams, Hale & others, Proctor by Pritchett, Formby , Miles Mcvay, Downs may be the only one whose entire gamut of talent cannot be replicated but we will come close with our solid recruiting.
This post was edited on 1/26/24 at 12:40 pm
Posted by Carlton
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Member since Feb 2016
11763 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 12:34 pm to
We could. Jackson and Moore along with some other guys on the roster or coming in could step up. We have no idea how it plays out. Collectively a new set of DBs could be just as effective as last years. We won't know until we line up. We didn't know what we had in Levi Wallace and Anthony Averett til we did. It is just the area where we lost the starting talent and a number of guys we felt good about replacing them.
Posted by bamatide07
Member since Jan 2019
3316 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 12:37 pm to
I don’t count out the possibility that one or two of the freshmen start. They’re highly talented players.
Posted by Carlton
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Member since Feb 2016
11763 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 12:43 pm to
Yes, I think a lot of us see potential there.
Posted by bamatide07
Member since Jan 2019
3316 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 12:46 pm to
Mbakwe, Mincey and Zabien Brown are five star prospects. I can easily see one or two playing.
Posted by bamabenny
Member since Nov 2009
14660 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 12:50 pm to
While we might not be the current favorite for Jabbar Muhammad, don’t be too surprised if he ends up here as well
Posted by Alfie Solomons
Alabama
Member since Aug 2020
834 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 1:01 pm to
quote:

Let’s define replaceable


Let’s do that. It means able to be replaced.

I’d guess how that actually plays out in the real world is, if you see someone different from Downs, this spring and fall, playing in the safety position where Downs would have played, then he was replaced. How is this suck a difficult concept to comprehend and accept?

quote:

We are still really good but to pretend losing those guys doesn’t matter is laughable.


Perhaps it will be a downgrade at the position, but no one can know how good Downs will be in his new spot, or how his replacement will compare, not yet anyway.

My point was, you have to replace players that leave every single season, whether they leave via portal, leave early, or graduate they still have to be replaced. Again, saying a player isn’t replaceable is retarded.
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
In The Ham
Member since Nov 2017
11676 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 1:04 pm to
UAB and ULL at that.
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