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re: Who would you rather have?
Posted on 10/3/22 at 9:55 am to BigTastey
Posted on 10/3/22 at 9:55 am to BigTastey
I don’t care to hire pastors as HC. Our coaches should cuss. They can be hard on their players, but they have to care for their players.
Ronnie Garner standard would make Auburn proud. Urban Meyer and Freeze, not so much.
Freeze might “care for his players” but he’s a nut.
He has been rehabbing his image but still DM a sexual assault victim defending his friend because his friend loves the lord. Nah man. That’s not good
Ronnie Garner standard would make Auburn proud. Urban Meyer and Freeze, not so much.
Freeze might “care for his players” but he’s a nut.
He has been rehabbing his image but still DM a sexual assault victim defending his friend because his friend loves the lord. Nah man. That’s not good
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 9:58 am to greygoose
I get not wanting Sanders but I find it interesting you are so against him for lack of experience yet you list many failed head coaches on your list.
They've proven they suck but you won't settle for a guy that is an unknown with significant potential upside?
They've proven they suck but you won't settle for a guy that is an unknown with significant potential upside?
Posted on 10/3/22 at 9:59 am to BigTastey
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I am glad Aubie believes in it or Coach Pearl would not be here. Hopefully Aubie can catch lightning in a bottle twice.
Is our mascot making the coaching hires?
Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:03 am to Pettifogger
quote:So much this.
I don't understand dudes who are ride or die Freeze
He's a complete goober, a reckless human being, and his results are merely above average. He's not at the top of other lists - I don't understand why the Auburn-Freeze connection persists since he's never coached here. His candidacy seems like a holdover from a Gus era we need to move on from.
Setting aside the considerable off-field baggage, his Jimmy Swaggart/Jim Bakker-style Christianity, his teenage-girl ploys for attention and his run-ins with the NCAA, the fact remains that hiring him would be like hiring the 2018 version of Gustav.
Seriously, his best years are behind him. Why would we want to hire a guy who record vs P5 teams over the past 5 years isn't significantly better than Harsin's?
Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:08 am to AUWDE
I've gone around and around with her on all the points you have given, and she just doesn't get it...on purpose. She is a troll, wouldn't waste anymore time on her. She is all in on Bill Clark
Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:09 am to FearlessFreep
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Why would we want to hire a guy who record vs P5 teams over the past 5 years isn't significantly better than Harsin's?
I don’t think that is fair since he plays fewer P5 opponents and he coaches at a team where they are scheduled as what should be an easy win.
I don’t want anything to do with Freeze, but I feel the need to call a spade a spade regardless if it supports my agenda or not.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:12 am to RandySavage
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If you were a top-level football player and had offers from Saban at Bama (dynasty, puts kids in the league), Kirby at UGA (appear to be poised to compete for titles over the next 3-5 years), and Auburn with Coach Prime, who hasn't won anything, hasn't put guys in the league, but he's famous and flashy...who are you realistically picking?
By that line of thinking who in the world would choose Harsin or many of the other names being thrown out?
Sadly that's the boat Auburn is in. But Deion Sanders isn't the one to even remotely get this ship turned around.
Granted, as someone said, Auburn has 100 fold better resources/reputation than Jackson State, but today's high school-->college players want three things. NIL money, playing for college championships, and moving on to the NFL.
I do think we have the boosters and business sense to get NIL in place.
It takes getting players in to compete for championships.
That leaves getting players to the next level.
From 2000 to 2020 Auburn had 76 players drafted. Bama had 127. LSU 126. Florida 117. Georgia 115. Those differentials have only gotten worse after the last 2 drafts.
Don't ask me who it is or how to do it, but the only way out of this hole is to bring in coaches (head coach and coordinators/assistants) with a reputation of getting guys into the league. That has to be the selling point to get players in.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:14 am to auburn2eugene
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You serious Clark?
Frost had two total seasons as a HC before being hired at Nebraska. Half of those years he finished with a losing record.
He was 19-7 in two seasons.
For comparison, Harsin was 76-24 when hired.
One of these was a proven winner, the other was not. Harsin was about as sure fire winner as there was. Boise has crumbled since he left.
Harsin is clearly out of his depth here and he should not see the end of the season…
But that’s irrelevant to your comment. Frost simply was NOT a proven winner when hired at Nebraska. He had just one good season.
quote:There's more to it than you posted. In two years, he took a winless D-1 team, to being undefeated. Remind me, who did they beat up on in their bowl game that year?
You serious Clark?
Frost had two total seasons as a HC before being hired at Nebraska. Half of those years he finished with a losing record.
He was 19-7 in two seasons.
For comparison, Harsin was 76-24 when hired.
One of these was a proven winner, the other was not. Harsin was about as sure fire winner as there was. Boise has crumbled since he left.
Harsin is clearly out of his depth here and he should not see the end of the season…
But that’s irrelevant to your comment. Frost simply was NOT a proven winner when hired at Nebraska. He had just one good season.
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On December 1, 2015, Frost was hired as the head football coach at the University of Central Florida.[28] Frost replaced long time UCF head coach George O'Leary and interim head coach Danny Barrett, who took over the Knights when O'Leary resigned following an 0–8 start. The Knights went on to finish 0–12 that year. Frost immediately turned UCF around. He won six games in 2016, taking the Knights to the 2016 Cure Bowl, where they lost to Arkansas State. In 2017, the Knights stormed through the regular season, finishing 11–0. They won the AAC championship game 62–55 in double overtime at home against Memphis for their 12th consecutive win. Frost led the Knights into the 2018 Peach Bowl, the school's second-ever appearance in a major bowl. In that game, they defeated 7th ranked Auburn, completing the first undefeated and untied season in school history.[29] Following the game, the school claimed a national championship.[a]
Throw out the Nebraska stint, and compare what he did in two years at UCF, to what Sanders has done in two years at JSU. I'm no where near saying Frost is the best choice, only showing that his resume far exceeds the guy a bunch on here, are drooling over. Especially when considering his extensive assistant coaching record.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:19 am to PJinAtl
By and large guys get to the league because they are talented, not because of coaches.
If Deion is able to bring in top talent we will get players into the league.
Deion can at least sell knowing what it takes to get there.
If Deion is able to bring in top talent we will get players into the league.
Deion can at least sell knowing what it takes to get there.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:19 am to auburn2eugene
quote:I was including his final season in Oxford, when he took a team ranked #15 in overall talent with four 5-stars (more than AU has EVER had on one roster) and went 5-7 with it.
I don’t think that is fair since he plays fewer P5 opponents and he coaches at a team where they are scheduled as what should be an easy win.
I don’t want anything to do with Freeze, but I feel the need to call a spade a spade regardless if it supports my agenda or not.
From 10/1/16 to 10/1/22, Harsin is 6-13 as a HC against P5 conference teams.
Freezus is 3-12 over the same stretch. And that includes two seasons with an NFL-caliber QB.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:44 am to greygoose
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Sanders
I’m sorry? Did I mention Sanders? I stated a FACT. No matter how you spin it, Frost had two total seasons as a HC before being hired at UCF.
Let’s look at his entire P5 coaching record.
2009-2012 WR coach Oregon
2013-2015 QB coach/OC
2016-2017 HC UCF
Frost had 7 total seasons coaching at the P5 level before Nebraska brought him home. 3 as WR coach, 2 as OC/QB Coach, and 2 as HC.
As the one person who seems to want to die on the hill about the inexperience of Sanders, it’s confusing to me how you would call Frost a “proven winner.”
Yeah Frost was coaching at the G5 level and not FCS but “inexperienced” Sanders has coached EXACTLY THE SAME amount of seasons at HC as “proven winner” Scott Frost had when hired at Nebraska.
Tell me you have personal bias against Sanders without telling me you have personal bias against Sanders
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Remind me, who did they beat up on in their bowl game that year?
You mistake me for a Gus fan. I was done with Gus after the 2017 LSU game. I wanted him gone after that and never wavered. Also pointing out someone beat Auburn in a bowl game under Gus is like trying to surprise me by telling me the sky is blue or the sun came up in the morning. Gus sucked donkey balls in bowl games. You really aren’t saying much with that.
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Especially when considering his extensive assistant coaching record
Oh his 7 total seasons coaching at the P5 level? Or do you mean to count the two total seasons of coaching DEFENSE at the FCS level as well? Can’t forget to count those in that “extensive” assistant coaching record. Those two seasons coaching LBs Im sure really helped his HC abilities
Extensive assistant coaching record? Did you even look at his resume?
It truly isn’t significantly THAT MUCH more extensive than that of Sanders.
AGAIN TELL ME YOU HAVE PERSONAL BIAS WITHOUT TELLING ME YOU HAVE PERSONAL BIAS
This post was edited on 10/3/22 at 10:48 am
Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:46 am to FearlessFreep
I didn’t understand what you were speaking on. I apologize for my misunderstanding.
But like I said I want nothing to do with Ole Festus.
But like I said I want nothing to do with Ole Festus.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:49 am to wareaglepete
Hard reach... you know what I mean't. Just another wanting to be funny.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:54 am to greygoose
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Frost
To be fair I think he would be an excellent coach. But what the hell do I know? I was certain Tom Herman was gonna be excellent as well. But as I said in another comment, I’m gonna call a spade a spade regardless of my own personal opinion.
And something just doesn’t add up on your stance about sanders. I mean I understood it right up until you called Frost a “proven winner.” When frost had 2 seasons at the G5 level and a two total other coaching stops before being hired at Nebraska from UCF.
The second you said that about Frost you showed your hand.
Did you just hate him from his playing days or something? I get it. There are very popular players I absolutely loathe and would absolutely not want them as our coach. Tom Brady for example. I couldn’t stand it if we hired him if he were to get into coaching some day. So I get having personal bias, but you have to admit it when that’s the case rather than arguing about X in one hand while praising that very same X on the other.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 11:02 am to kung fu kenny
Kenny... Agreed fully as to the difference and thought about it before posting.
My point was Bruce was known as dirty, crooked and who knows what else and had proven himself. I am glad Auburn (not Aubie, for the funny guys) gave him a shot. He is quite open with his beliefs and religion to this day.
It may not be Auburn (funny guy) but someone will get a good coach in Freeze. That is all I am trying to say.
My point was Bruce was known as dirty, crooked and who knows what else and had proven himself. I am glad Auburn (not Aubie, for the funny guys) gave him a shot. He is quite open with his beliefs and religion to this day.
It may not be Auburn (funny guy) but someone will get a good coach in Freeze. That is all I am trying to say.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 11:06 am to jangalang
Garner has so many skeletons on his closet yet we overlooked them didn't we!
Posted on 10/3/22 at 11:12 am to jangalang
Jang... I am not arguing or anything like that sir. Just good discussion and I enjoy it with you. Thanks!
Posted on 10/3/22 at 11:32 am to jangalang
Hugh Freeze is literally nothing more than Gus with baggage.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 11:34 am to BigTastey
Bruce had a BBQ. Freeze hired HOOKERS.
Not even close to the same thing.
Not even close to the same thing.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 11:41 am to AUWDE
Liberty's AD was the AD at Baylor during that whole sexual assault mess. He hire a John in Hugh Freeze to be his coach. Liberty really knows how to put together a classy Athletic Department
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