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re: Sean White is not the answer
Posted on 9/27/15 at 10:15 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Posted on 9/27/15 at 10:15 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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It doesn't effect my life at all to have a more positive outlook on Sean White other than some fleeting disappointment.
This is what I'm saying. Wtf is it with this guy? This is just a game when it comes down to it. Do I want AU to be good every year at football and kickass so I can talk shite to others when given the opportunity? Sure, but it won't affect me if the team isn't good.
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Posted on 9/27/15 at 10:20 am to LanierSpots
quote:He did a little with Chris Todd. He did it at ASU and Tulsa. His buddy Hugh has done it at OM.
Because it is just that, his reputation. When has he done that for us?
We need to move more to an air raid style spread without completely abandoning the zone read or power runs.
We need multiple receivers running in space the way ATM does.
There is no reason to believe Gus can't do that, the only question is whether he will.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 10:31 am to WDE24
Agreed... we need to open things up more... it's like we're running an offense designed for Nick Marshal without the true running threat at qb.
Sean White CAN be the answer (he'd be deadly in a Texas Tech like offense)... I'm concerned about his armstrength and ability to push the ball downfield. He is accurate on the intermediate stuff, and that'll only get better with more experience. He's also sneaky athletic.
To condemn him after his first start is just stupid imo.
Sean White CAN be the answer (he'd be deadly in a Texas Tech like offense)... I'm concerned about his armstrength and ability to push the ball downfield. He is accurate on the intermediate stuff, and that'll only get better with more experience. He's also sneaky athletic.
To condemn him after his first start is just stupid imo.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 10:37 am to polydorr
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If every single running play in our playbook wasn't some variation of the read option we could throw just fine. Not sure why people parrot this shite.
Exactly, Gus has known since the end of last season that we don't have an option QB and we have the same playbook. Gus has done a pathetic job of adapting to the QBs that we have on the roster now.
This post was edited on 9/27/15 at 10:38 am
Posted on 9/27/15 at 10:37 am to lowspark12
Seems like the kind of change that has to be made in the spring and summer though. I wonder how much they can change that mid season. If we are going to try, now is the time.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 10:50 am to Smoke7024
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Gus has done a pathetic job of adapting to the QBs that we have on the roster now.
How so? JJ was supposed to be prolific passer and open the running game up with his passing abilities. He crashed and burned and as a result Gus went more zone read to try and open up the running game against LSU. He obviously realized we weren't going to win with JJ's arm and his running skills are limited. He made the switch and plugged in a qb that the offense hasn't been tailored around. Despite all of that, he was able to spread the ball around and open up the running game. We didn't win, but I do believe he can adapt the offense enough for White to be successful quickly.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 10:54 am to Blizzard of Chizz
100% agree
Posted on 9/27/15 at 10:54 am to LanierSpots
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Sean White is not the answer
Posted on 9/27/15 at 11:15 am to lowspark12
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To condemn him after his first start is just stupid imo.
I am not condemning him. I think he played great for his first game and he has a high ceiling. Like I said, got me up yelling. I was pumped
But and it is just my opinion, we will always be a mediocre team with that "style" of quarterback with Gus at the control. He needs what he has done well with. Not a souped up Chris Todd who by the way took us to a wonderful 8-5 season.
Im talking Championships here. Not, we are better team. We are certainly better with White and I hope he plays the rest of the year. Kid has fire and that is enough for me right now. With the defense playing better, he could pull some games out for us once he gets comfy.
But he is not the type of guy that is going to take us to the play offs and ultimately to the show.
And Rocky, thats bullshite and you know it. I dont give a shite if I am right or not. Just stating my opinion based on what we have seen in the past 7 or8 years and how college football has changed.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 11:18 am to Blizzard of Chizz
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How so?
Why is zone read even in our playbook with the QBs we have now?
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JJ was supposed to be prolific passer and open the running game up with his passing abilities.
Gus' offense has always been built around running the ball. He has had no creativity in the running game this year. Does the defense even have to guess what is coming on first down anymore?
This offense can gain yards without a zone read QB, but it has problems scoring TDs in the redzone. It did when he was here in 2009.
I like Sean White and hope he's successful, but I still think we need someone else for this offense put points on the board.
This post was edited on 9/27/15 at 11:19 am
Posted on 9/27/15 at 11:28 am to LanierSpots
This thread is bad and you should feel bad.
You sound like you are finally believing all the stupid Gus-is-a-gimmick-high-school-offense, bullshite threads started by Arky and Bama fans over the last several years. You loved Nick Marshall. We got it. Time to move on.
If I believe your premise that Gus needs a mobile QB in order to win, then why did we recruit a kid that doesn't fit? Did he intentionally bring someone in to fail? Is he purposely wrecking this team and his career? frick.
I expect this bullshite from Randy and some of the other Nega clowns around here, but damn. Get your shite together Lanier.
You sound like you are finally believing all the stupid Gus-is-a-gimmick-high-school-offense, bullshite threads started by Arky and Bama fans over the last several years. You loved Nick Marshall. We got it. Time to move on.
If I believe your premise that Gus needs a mobile QB in order to win, then why did we recruit a kid that doesn't fit? Did he intentionally bring someone in to fail? Is he purposely wrecking this team and his career? frick.
I expect this bullshite from Randy and some of the other Nega clowns around here, but damn. Get your shite together Lanier.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 11:32 am to LanierSpots
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And Rocky, thats bullshite and you know it. I dont give a shite if I am right
Really? No offense, but this season you've been very quick to point out to everyone that you were right on a couple occasions.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 11:34 am to Aubie Spr96
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If I believe your premise that Gus needs a mobile QB in order to win, then why did we recruit a kid that doesn't fit? Did he intentionally bring someone in to fail? Is he purposely wrecking this team and his career? frick.
Never said that. I am sure Gus felt he could win with Johnson. There is no way he would have hyped him up so much if he didnt. But, maybe he has learned something as well. Im sure he felt he could mold Sean White and Im pretty sure he was not expecting to play him right now.
Why is it that you can not state a opinion here anymore without being a dumbass if it does not meet the popular belief? I have in no way melted over this or called Gus out. Just stated what I believe in a rational manner and what has basically happened in the past.
How is it that I now need to "Get my hit together" now that I dont believe what everyone is basically hoping will happen. Im looking long term, not next Saturday or what will happened this season.
Is it at all possible that we did not bring in a mobile QB for his system because we just could nott get anyone who would fit? Is that possible?
Posted on 9/27/15 at 11:35 am to LanierSpots
Still to early to make this call. This was his 1st live action in 2 years. He showed some toughness and made some nice throws. We need to add some wrinkles in the red zone to help him out like maybe the wildcat or throwing the damn ball to Duke but that's not his job.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 11:37 am to bawbarn
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Really? No offense, but this season you've been very quick to point out to everyone that you were right on a couple occasions.
And that was mainly to open some of your eyes that that popular belief may not always be correct. Just like this thread. Everyone here seems to get blinders on when something good happens or is to believe to happen.
There are always better ways and they should be discussed. Just like when JJ was going to be 100% better than Marshall because he could throw the deep ball like Joe Montana and could run it as well.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 11:48 am to Smoke7024
Why is it in the playbook? Would you rather we just ran draw plays every two or three plays? Maybe we should just scrap it and line up in the I formation. It's in the playbook because it's an effective way to get our running game going. It also allows for other plays to be run off of it like run pass option plays where he either leaves it with Barber or pulls it and hits a receiver. Marshall was deadly with it, but he was average in the passing game. Still we did not abandon the pass because it wasn't his strength. Same principal applies here. White isn't going to go for 200 yards on the ground, but he can be effective enough to keep a defense honest and not totally bypass him like they were doing with JJ. It's a trade off in passing effiency vs running effiency. The key is to make them balance out. You simply don't rip out all the zone read plays in the playbook because you don't have a Cam or Nick... And that's what all of this comes down too. JJ's lack of running ability and herp derp passing game left no pages in the playbook for us to be effective. White effectively gives Gus more of the playbook to work with.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 11:48 am to LanierSpots
I don't think people are way off in saying Gus' offense, even without a Nick Marshall or Cam Newton can be very successful with some improved scheming and play calling. It's jumping the gun a little when you say there is no way Sean White can lead us to where we want to go. Maybe that's true with the type of play calling we saw last night, but like many others, I think that can and needs to be improved moving forward. If that's putting blinders on, I don't know what to tell you.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 11:51 am to LanierSpots
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Why is it that you can not state a opinion here anymore without being a dumbass if it does not meet the popular belief?
Mainly because it was the kid's first game in his college career against an SEC opponent. He was 20/28 for 200 yards and (1) INT. Taking out the sacks, he also had a good night running the ball. I saw a lot of positives out there and things to build on. I feel better about the team after this loss than I did after the wins over Louisville or Jax State.
I would reserve judgement on the kid's abilities until after the Kentucky game. That should give you enough of a sampling to make a good decision.
Now Gus on the other hand...... Some of the play calling definitely needs to adjust. I feel like he is solely responsible for this QB shitshow we are in right now. I want to hear a detailed explanation as to why we started JJ over White at the beginning of the season.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 11:56 am to Blizzard of Chizz
We only started running the read option because we had Cam and Nick. You're acting like the read option has always been a staple of Gus' offense. It hasn't. I mean at this point it's not even a read. It's a called play. Gus hasn't shown the same level of creativity with the running game as he did in 2009.
We are sitting here 2-2 and looked god awful all year offensively. A lot of that is because JJ bombed out, but a lot of it isn't. I'm sorry I don't have a super positive opinion on where we are at this point in the season, since it seems like that's the kind of opinion that you want everyone to have right now.
We are sitting here 2-2 and looked god awful all year offensively. A lot of that is because JJ bombed out, but a lot of it isn't. I'm sorry I don't have a super positive opinion on where we are at this point in the season, since it seems like that's the kind of opinion that you want everyone to have right now.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 12:05 pm to Aubie Spr96
I think what Lanier is saying is to be elite this offense needs a running threat at Qb. I don't think he is saying we can't be good with White at Qb. I'm inclined to agree with him but I want to see a little more before I make up my mind one way or the other.
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