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re: Jarrett Stidham

Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:00 pm to
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42568 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:00 pm to
SW has zero deep pass ability. Zero. The deep ball is too important in our O.
Posted by gsm1060
Tree stand
Member since Dec 2009
683 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:02 pm to
I'm just happy about the possibility of having more than one competent QB on the team at the same time. Competition brings out the best in players.
Posted by ATLtiger12
Atlanta
Member since Dec 2013
675 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:05 pm to
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so what makes us so damn sure that stidham is going to come in and not only take the starting job from SW, but be our savior?


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He can run better than Sean. He's a little faster and bigger than SW. He's got a couple nice runs on his highlight


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His arm looks a little stronger than White


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Stidham is a step up talent wise from SW.


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Healthy full-tune starting SW wins 10 games this year.


Sounds like you answered your own question. Stidham is a slightly bigger, slightly more durable, slightly overall better QB than SW, who could have won us 10 games this year, if fully healthy. Which brings us to the other point you made:

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the depth and security he adds


Against what should be an easier schedule, a slight upgrade at QB, while adding solid depth to the position, might be the exact piece we need to go from 10 wins to 15 (ship).

Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22370 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:07 pm to
What are you basing durability on?... Stidham go hurt last year and missed Baylors last couple games (ankle I think?)... sound familiar?
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:23 pm to
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Sounds like you answered your own question


just because he looks better on paper doesn't mean he his. That was my point. AU fans should know this by now. If physical attributes meant success then JJ would be a millionaire in a few months.

We have no idea how he will look in our system until he's actually in it. His success at Baylor shouldn't
be an indicator for how he'll do at Auburn. Baylor's system makes things easy for QBs and what elite defenses did he face in the Big 12? With tweedle dumb and tweedle dee running our offense he may be shite here. we don't know. But what we do know is that Sean White is a gamer and is smart with the ball.


all I'm saying is let's wait and see before we anoint the guy our next Heisman contending QB. That kind of pressure messes with a kid.


ETA:

and you're all ignoring the fact that even though most of you clamor for a dual threat QB, stidham is statistically a worse runner than Sean White
This post was edited on 12/2/16 at 2:26 pm
Posted by ATLtiger12
Atlanta
Member since Dec 2013
675 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:30 pm to
Fair enough. I don't disagree with any of that. All we know is he has plenty of potential, and he had some success as a true freshman in a QB friendly offense.

I also, like SW and think he is a gamer, and could win us a lot of games his last two years if he could ever stay healthy for a full year. So if Stidham was to come in and win the job, that would definitely be a good sign for us. But that's far from a sure thing.

As you stated though, either way it should give us at least two solid QB's we could win with, which apparently we did not have on the roster this year.
Posted by joeyb147
Member since Jun 2009
16019 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:32 pm to
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so what makes us so damn sure that stidham is going to come in and not only take the starting job from SW, but be our savior?
he can see over the OL and knows how to slide feet first

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and you're all ignoring the fact that even though most of you clamor for a dual threat QB, stidham is statistically a worse runner than Sean White
did you include sacks in your analysis of rushes?
This post was edited on 12/2/16 at 2:33 pm
Posted by ATLtiger12
Atlanta
Member since Dec 2013
675 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:37 pm to
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and you're all ignoring the fact that even though most of you clamor for a dual threat QB, stidham is statistically a worse runner than Sean White


I think it's safe to say that if Baylor is a more pass friendly system, Auburn is a more run friendly system, for whoever the QB is. I don't think there is any doubt JS would have more rushing yards in our system compared to Baylor's, but idk how many more.
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:39 pm to
why should I when all QBs rushing numbers are affected by sacks? Sean White has taken plenty, he might just end up looking even better if we do that.

here's some sack analysis off the top of my head, in SW's first ever start against State last year he was very 80 yards rushing at one point, but in the 4th qtr when we were trying to come from behind State started getting to White and he ended up with like 30 something rushing yards. That's just a part of it for college QBs
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:44 pm to
Robert Griffin didn't have any trouble running the ball at Baylor. Even Nick Florence ran for 500 yards and 10 TD and nobody even remembers him
Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
10944 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:46 pm to
Nice

From the taro cards are you read palms?

Not to argue, but the results seemed rather inclusive as to whether the major flaws(s) lied with thrower, the catcher, or both? It sorta seemed as if the routes where never near an automatic rehearsed mode that a comfortable duo achieves by years end. Almost as three QB's were still sparring for the job and no pecking order established with the WR's. Shame no non-player has laid claim for the blame.... worthless shits that they are.

My opinion, our QB's and WR's might not be the best but they are certainly better than we've been led to believe. And the team is being thrown under the bus, while we're being taken for a ride.

Edit..oops... and a Stidham doesn't correct the real flaws... anymore than the last two super star signees.
This post was edited on 12/2/16 at 2:49 pm
Posted by joeyb147
Member since Jun 2009
16019 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:47 pm to
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why should I when all QBs rushing numbers are affected by sacks?
uuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


are you serious?

do all qbs run the same offense?
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Sean White has taken plenty, he might just end up looking even better if we do that.
you don't think baylor's offense who throws the ball a lot more would have the qb sacked more often?

really?

did you consider that 1/3 of sean whites 2016 rushing yards came on one play against arkansas? you think stidham couldn't have done that same thing... except you know... not fall down forward on his shoulder like an idiot?
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here's some sack analysis off the top of my head, in SW's first ever start against State last year he was very 80 yards rushing at one point, but in the 4th qtr when we were trying to come from behind State started getting to White and he ended up with like 30 something rushing yards. That's just a part of it for college QBs
neat bro


since you don't want to look at it objectively, i'll leave you to your sw jerking
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42568 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:47 pm to
Well, when he throws 5 yards past the WR, it is pretty clear where the issue is.
Posted by joeyb147
Member since Jun 2009
16019 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:49 pm to
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Not to argue, but the results seemed rather inclusive as to whether the major flaws(s) lied with thrower, the catcher, or both? It sorta seemed as if the routes where never near an automatic rehearsed mode that a comfortable duo achieves by years end. Almost as three QB's were still sparring for the job and no pecking order established with the WR's. Shame no non-player has laid claim for the blame.... worthless shits that they are.
how about the results that JF3 has auburn's longest pass of the year?
Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
10944 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:52 pm to
most never said the kid didn't have the long ball?
Posted by joeyb147
Member since Jun 2009
16019 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:58 pm to
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most never said the kid didn't have the long ball?
huh?

all your placing blame on everything else besides sean white earlier is proven null when jf3, who threw a total of 19 passes this year, has auburn's longest pass of the year

you'd think if it was on the wr's, or the qb/wr connection, or the coaches, or the way the tide was flowing in, that sean white could have hit one pass in 200 attempts longer than jf3 did against the best defense in the country
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 2:58 pm to
saying that stidham is better but we should wait to anoint him = SW jerking? lol okay

this board has already proclaimed Stidham the starter for next year and our Lord and savior. I'm literally the only objective person in this thread atm


I was one of the few people here that correctly called our QB situation last off season. You may want to listen to what I have to say with an open mind
This post was edited on 12/2/16 at 3:00 pm
Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
10944 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 3:08 pm to
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you'd think if it was on the wr's, or the qb/wr connection, or the coaches, or the way the tide was flowing in, that sean white could have hit one pass in 200 attempts longer than jf3 did against the best defense in the country


huh?
no

I'm saying anyone arguing for OR AGAINST JF3 or SW is doing so based on an incomplete deck of cards. Because neither was used in a system beneficial to their respective strengths. At some point I would have hoped the play book would have been re-written to utilize what you got and not what you hoped for. Neither of these two were used properly.

AS TO WHO threw the longest ball...no problemo JF, that's his strong point, word was he could connect on nothing else but the long ball... so what are you arguing ?
Posted by joeyb147
Member since Jun 2009
16019 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 3:13 pm to
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saying that stidham is better but we should wait to anoint him = SW jerking? lol okay
your analysis of both are skewed. it's pretty easy to see.
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I was one of the few people here that correctly called our QB situation last off season. You may want to listen to what I have to say with an open mind
wut?

yeah, bro... you so smart
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Jeremy Johnson will tear apart Louisville week 1 on national television and show who is #1

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Either way Chris Todd isn't 1/5 the QB Jeremy Johnson is, so using that modest math JJ should have 30 TD to 1 INT in SEC play. Todd also wasn't 1/1000000 the athlete JJ is. He barely had enough mobility to drop back.
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Dak is #1 by default. Jeremy Johnson will jump him after week 1
Posted by joeyb147
Member since Jun 2009
16019 posts
Posted on 12/2/16 at 3:14 pm to
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I'm saying anyone arguing for OR AGAINST JF3 or SW is doing so based on an incomplete deck of cards.
lol

so sean white threw 200 passes yet you can't figure out if he can throw the long ball accurately,huh?
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Because neither was used in a system beneficial to their respective strengths. At some point I would have hoped
so when sean white led the sec in completion percentage, rating, & yards/attempt (before the uga game), he wasn't being used correctly?

tell us exactly what other stat did sean white need to lead the sec in for you to be satisfied with the offense?
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word was he could connect on nothing else but the long ball... so what are you arguing ?
and game film shows us that sean white can't connect on the long ball... but here you are trying to say it's all on the coaches and not having that qb/wr connection
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