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re: Is everyone overreacting?
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:24 am to Ross
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:24 am to Ross
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I think the thing that irks me the most is how Auburn fans that support Gus talk like 8-5 is an acceptable record
I am always slow to call for a coach to be fired. All the discussion about Chip Kelly and Bob Stoops makes me laugh. We will end up with a coach most aren't excited about or coordinator that nobody knows if they can handle the job.
8-5 in the SEC if your are competitive ala 2014 isn't that much different than 12-2 and SEC Champs. In 2010 if the ball doesn't bounce our way a few times that team is 11-3. All 8-5 teams aren't created equal, 8-5 like 2011 is closer to 3-9 2012 than 12-2 2013.
I fully expect Gus to lose his job unless he finds some new direction which there is zero evidence to suggest he will. I doubt the coaching hire will be something our whole fanbase will be excited about...I doubt it will be a huge up grade over Gus.
IMO the focus should be on JJ not have anything to do with Auburn Athletics in the future. I would gladly allow Gus another year if it meant assuring JJ was gone and the new AD search could be handled well and a professional hire was made.
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Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:39 am to Tigerman97
The most Auburn hire would be Lashlee.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:40 am to TTsTowel
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I wish Auburn could just fire Gus Malzahn and Jay Jacobs.
Addition by subtraction.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:44 am to ATLtiger12
If Gus somehow pulls a rabbit out of his hat this season, then what?? It seems like something intangible is happening behind the scenes. At the risk of getting downvoted, I still maintain that Jeremy Johnson would've flourished elsewhere, or here under different circumstances. Same with Stidham, and I can't believe anyone with two functioning eyes want to throw him under the bus. Hell, I'll even go further and say Barrett Trotter might've been a solid starter in another uniform, even with lesser talent surrounding him. What's going on at AU...if you don't have Cam-like talent, is this the place that QBs go to die??
For all the shite Chiz got (and perhaps deservedly so), apparently he must've been whispering something in Gus' ear that was working (up to a certain point, anyway), b/c the current playbook is a shell of its former self, with or without Cam. Gus is nothing more than an offensive coordinator who needs a HC to give him direction...
For all the shite Chiz got (and perhaps deservedly so), apparently he must've been whispering something in Gus' ear that was working (up to a certain point, anyway), b/c the current playbook is a shell of its former self, with or without Cam. Gus is nothing more than an offensive coordinator who needs a HC to give him direction...
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:53 am to TTsTowel
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I wish Auburn could just fire Gus Malzahn and Jay Jacobs. Bring the entire defensive staff back. They have done a phenomenal job.
I'll take it a step further. Keep literally EVERYONE but Gus. Let Chip call plays exactly how he wants, and see what happens. I'd bet we're 7-0 right now.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:01 am to vandelay industries
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If Gus somehow pulls a rabbit out of his hat this season, then what?? It seems like something intangible is happening behind the scenes. At the risk of getting downvoted, I still maintain that Jeremy Johnson would've flourished elsewhere, or here under different circumstances. Same with Stidham, and I can't believe anyone with two functioning eyes want to throw him under the bus. Hell, I'll even go further and say Barrett Trotter might've been a solid starter in another uniform, even with lesser talent surrounding him. What's going on at AU...if you don't have Cam-like talent, is this the place that QBs go to die??
For all the shite Chiz got (and perhaps deservedly so), apparently he must've been whispering something in Gus' ear that was working (up to a certain point, anyway), b/c the current playbook is a shell of its former self, with or without Cam. Gus is nothing more than an offensive coordinator who needs a HC to give him direction...
JJ's issues IMO were bigger than Gus. His offer list reflects most coaches didn't see D-I QB potential in him.
Other than JS not seeing the middle of the field well, he is fine. He has NFL arm but needs to grow into the position. If NFL coaches question Gus' ability to develop a QB then we have to get someone (new HC) or if he saves his job (position coach) NFL scouts respect. That stuff filters down to the recruits.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:02 am to WareagleKK
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I'll take it a step further. Keep literally EVERYONE but Gus. Let Chip call plays exactly how he wants, and see what happens. I'd bet we're 7-0 right now.
Sad thing is, you're probably right on the money. And, given the way the Clemson & LSU games played out, Chip would probably help Gus pack his bags...
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:11 am to Tigerman97
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JJ's issues IMO were bigger than Gus. His offer list reflects most coaches didn't see D-I QB potential in him.
Maybe you're right, but it's not like JJ never showed his raw talent on the field. IMO the right guy could've developed him into a solid player...but we've got a fledgling offensive mind who can't even do that, so at this point, what use is it even having him around anymore?
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:17 am to vandelay industries
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Maybe you're right, but it's not like JJ never showed his raw talent on the field. IMO the right guy could've developed him into a solid player...but we've got a fledgling offensive mind who can't even do that, so at this point, what use is it even having him around anymore?
I agree. But head issues with a QB have been the down fall of a lot of coaches. JJ didn't run well, didn't have good pocket presence and stared down WR.
Gus deserves credit for getting more out of SW than he had to give IMO. NM was a better QB in 2014 than in 2013 IMO. However, all of that being said I don't believe Gus or his staff to date has done a great job developing QB's. I believe the jury is still out on Chip and JS.
This post was edited on 10/18/17 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:29 am to Tigerman97
It's just frustrating because the future looked bright during the 2009 season...with a little bit more good fortune, that ragtag group actually coulda pulled out a 10-3 season. Hard to believe the same guy who who made Chris Todd play over his head, is the same guy today who's gagging away winnable games. Maybe I'm still melting and can't think rationally anymore, lol...
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:44 am to vandelay industries
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It's just frustrating because the future looked bright during the 2009 season...with a little bit more good fortune, that ragtag group actually coulda pulled out a 10-3 season. Hard to believe the same guy who who made Chris Todd play over his head, is the same guy today who's gagging away winnable games. Maybe I'm still melting and can't think rationally anymore, lol...
The game has evolved. The HUNH was new and difficult to stop. Saban's war on the HUNH has essentially rendered it less effective. It can still be used to the benefit of the O, but nobody uses it today in the same manner or with the same success as 2009. In 2009 you could run substitutions on to the field and the D was afraid to adjust. So you could (like hockey line changes) use the HUNH to create mismatches. Once the D was allowed to sub as well, a well organized D staff can have subs ready to adjust for the O subs rendering the former advantage useless.
Now the only advantage is wearing down a D, but you have to be able to pick up 1st downs to wear them out. It's harder to do if you can't get a schematic advantage by slipping subs into the game without the D subbing.
This subtle evolution in football is something to consider when thinking about Chip Kelly. He has never coached in college under the new substitution rules.
This post was edited on 10/18/17 at 8:47 am
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:30 am to ATLtiger12
I used to think everyone was overreacting but not anymore... There are no words to describe how awful that loss was. No excuse justifies that shite show. I'm done with the Gus Bus. Only thing that can save him is to win out and we know that's not happening because he won't do what needs to be done... get his arse out of the way and let Chip call the plays!
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:36 am to ATLtiger12
A lot of what you say is objectively true and reasonable.
However, there is a pattern of boneheaded games like this that cannot be ignored any longer. Pattern is too light of a word. Do you really think you need to wait for the UGA/Bama games to know how this is gonna go?
However, there is a pattern of boneheaded games like this that cannot be ignored any longer. Pattern is too light of a word. Do you really think you need to wait for the UGA/Bama games to know how this is gonna go?
This post was edited on 10/18/17 at 9:37 am
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:37 am to ATLtiger12
Overreacting?
Posted on 10/18/17 at 1:52 pm to CaptainBrannigan
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We have scored a total of 9 points in the second halves of our last 5 loses combined. That is 100% coaching. frick gus
That is beyond comprehension. I just got eye cancer reading that. Thank you Gus! How in the world is the Lee County District Attorney's office not investigating him for theft?
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:56 am to AUCE05
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Is everyone overreacting?
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AUCE05
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:58 am to rbWarEagle
I still don't think that everyone was overreacting at the time. What had been seen up until that point was an absolute shite show.
This may be the most bipolar season anyone will ever witness.
This may be the most bipolar season anyone will ever witness.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:25 am to AUjim
Got my first thread bump, moving up in the Auburn Sports Board world 
The overreacting comment was mostly directed towards people saying we were going to lose to Arkansas and aTm and finish 6-6. I knew the season would come down to UGA and Bama as it always does for Gus and I was just willing to hold out hope that we could find a 2013 type run in us before I joined most of the other posters on this board.
But not even in my wildest Posi Barner dreams did I imagine us winning both of those games in the dominating fashion we did. It looks like the LSU game might have been the best thing that could have happened to Gus.
The overreacting comment was mostly directed towards people saying we were going to lose to Arkansas and aTm and finish 6-6. I knew the season would come down to UGA and Bama as it always does for Gus and I was just willing to hold out hope that we could find a 2013 type run in us before I joined most of the other posters on this board.
But not even in my wildest Posi Barner dreams did I imagine us winning both of those games in the dominating fashion we did. It looks like the LSU game might have been the best thing that could have happened to Gus.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:26 am to ATLtiger12
Oh no, you weren't the target here. AUCE decided to shite on me this morning so I grabbed a cup of coffee and started doing some investigating. 
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:32 am to ATLtiger12
And now he's down voting me.
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