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re: Auburn offense with Sean White at Qb
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:30 pm to CrazyCadillac
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:30 pm to CrazyCadillac
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In whites first year coming in as a backup
You mean just like how Clint in basically his first year (1 total series FR year) coming in as a backup had better COMP%, More TDs, Better Passer Rating, better comp/INT and similar AY/A against higher ranked defenses?
I think Sean is clearly better than Clint but this "First year" QB coming in off the bench argument isn't that strong
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Because I've watched both play, and played against trotter. He was not sec qb material.
Just understand that you are saying a guy who clearly "was not SEC QB material" was able to put up similar numbers to Sean White against better defenses?
I agree with your statement, just trying to explain why I say that Sean White's season last year doesn't scream "Chosen One" to me
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In whites first year coming in as a backup. Trotter was benched for an even worse Clint moseley
White couldn't beat an even worse JJ to start the year then got benched in the Memphis game for the same JJ
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:33 pm to JRoweMDN
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If Gus has to have an elite runner with a 70yd arm we have the wrong coach, because those guys are not available every year.
A good runner who can throw reasonable 55-60+ yards?
I don't think it is impossible to find these guys by any stretch. We had one committed and now are likely to have a second one committed in Mond.
In this class Woody Barrett seems to fit that bill. In 2018 we have Joey Gatewood
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:34 pm to GenesChin
I think we all believe Sean White is a better quarterback with a higher ceiling when compared to Barrett Trotter, but there's no way to justify so with objective reasoning. Subjective opinions, sure, everyone here seems to think so. However, we haven't seen anything on the field to really show us.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:36 pm to TTsTowel
I think Sean White has shown reason to believe that he can develop into a good QB but my arguments against SW are the following 4
1) I believe his skills are a better fit in a different offense
2) I don't believe Gus/Rhett can develop those skills at an elite level
3) I don't believe Gus/Rhett can/want to change their offense for those skills at a high level
4) I haven't seen anything to suggest Sean White is elite enough to overcome points 1-3
1) I believe his skills are a better fit in a different offense
2) I don't believe Gus/Rhett can develop those skills at an elite level
3) I don't believe Gus/Rhett can/want to change their offense for those skills at a high level
4) I haven't seen anything to suggest Sean White is elite enough to overcome points 1-3
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:41 pm to GenesChin
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A good runner who can throw reasonable 55-60+ yards?
not to be LAMP, but I'm 32 and can throw a football 55 yards. If we have a college QB at Auburn University that CAN'T throw a ball that far then they should not be on scholarship
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:42 pm to LanierSpots
Well you've neglected to consider that he's a freshman boy-child with a bum leg and was sabotaged by an evil play caller.
Sure after closer consideration you will realize that he's the Aaron Murray that we deserve.
Sure after closer consideration you will realize that he's the Aaron Murray that we deserve.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:43 pm to GenesChin
quote:Agree on all accounts, and I'll add #5 as there being a quarterback currently on roster that fits the supporting cast better.
1) I believe his skills are a better fit in a different offense
2) I don't believe Gus/Rhett can develop those skills at an elite level
3) I don't believe Gus/Rhett can/want to change their offense for those skills at a high level
4) I haven't seen anything to suggest Sean White is elite enough to overcome points 1-3
quote:I agree with you, baw. He is not the answer, IMO.
LanierSpots
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:44 pm to WareagleKK
quote:I don't think Chris Todd could.
not to be LAMP, but I'm 32 and can throw a football 55 yards. If we have a college QB at Auburn University that CAN'T throw a ball that far then they should not be on scholarship
You have to have some superior accuracy to overcome such a weak arm, see Chad Pennington.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:44 pm to WareagleKK
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not to be LAMP, but I'm 32 and can throw a football 55 yards.
I meant consistently throw a reasonably accurate ball 55+ yards with velocity in a game environment.
Throwing it 55 yards at high altitude letting the air carry it with a 10 yard gallop into the throw doesn't count.
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that CAN'T throw a ball that far then they should not be on scholarship
You shut your mouth. Chad Pennington could barely throw it 20 yards and he has the NFL COMP% record and GOAT
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TT on taking my chad pennington responseThis post was edited on 6/3/16 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:47 pm to TTsTowel
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I agree with you, baw. He is not the answer, IMO.
Lil young baby Sean White gonna lead us to Atlanta once that evil nasty play calling Gus changes his whole offensive mentality this year
Just you wait and see
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:53 pm to GenesChin
Young little Freshman Sean White could out throw Chad Pennington any time, any day and he's ONLY A LITTLE BOY.
Think about how good he's going to be when he's more older
Think about how good he's going to be when he's more older
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:55 pm to GenesChin
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Trotter had more TDs, better TD:INT, slightly better passer rating while slightly less COMP% and AY/A. He also averaged more YPC than SW
Wasn't Trotter a RS Sophomore or Junior?
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:55 pm to TheJones
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Sure after closer consideration you will realize that he's the Aaron Murray that we deserve.
It has nothing to do with Sean what so ever. Like I stated a year ago when we first discussed this, it is his style matching what we need. Not what he can do
Kid is great, he will ball on other programs. We just need something different to be successful.
No amount of discussion or spring practice will change that
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:56 pm to LanierSpots
Yes but you're not considering how young and inexperienced he is.
He will grow up to be Cam, just wait and see
He will grow up to be Cam, just wait and see
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:57 pm to TheJones
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He will grow up to be Cam, just wait and see
Shine on you crazy diamond...
Posted on 6/3/16 at 2:00 pm to LanierSpots
He was just a little baby freshman, hardly a whisker on his chin. Of course he was going to be bad last year.
He'll be good. Tulsa. Chris Todd. Aaron Murray.
He'll be good. Tulsa. Chris Todd. Aaron Murray.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 2:05 pm to TTsTowel
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I think this is becoming more obvious as his career goes on. If he has a superior athlete with a cannon, SEC and National Championships are possible. If he doesn't, 7-8 wins with a mediocre bowl game is on the horizon.
Can we start a new Gus yes or no thread and continue with QB debate here. Wait until Monday though.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 2:18 pm to JamalSanders
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Wasn't Trotter a RS Sophomore or Junior?
First, it doesn't really matter as the argument was that SW is better than Trotter and I claimed nothing statistically backed that up. I think he shows potential to be better but so did JJ, it isn't a foregone conclusion
But if you want to compare to Clint Moseley, the statistical comparison only gets worse as I pointed out. That is unfair to compare to a Sophomore like Clint. That extra series vs LaTech his freshman year that burned his RS made a huge difference in development
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 6/3/16 at 2:22 pm to TheJones
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Young little Freshman Sean White could out throw Chad Pennington any time, any day and he's ONLY A LITTLE BOY.
Think about how good he's going to be when he's more older
Pennington actually had his shoulder surgery with Dr. Andrews the same time I did and we both did rehab at Andrews' place in Birmingham. Nice guy and holy crap he was massive. The fact that he has a weak arm is the most baffling thing in the world, to me, considering how gigantic he is.
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