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re: Auburn offense with Sean White at Qb
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:29 pm to CrazyCadillac
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:29 pm to CrazyCadillac
quote:You must have a short memory.
No they didn't, Trotter barely had knees.
13:35 mark. Barrett Trotter run against South Carolina.
Barrett Trotter and Sean White are very similar players with Sean White having a high ceiling, IMO. Clint Moseley was even considered a dual threat quarterback coming out of high-school. So, yes, both had the ability to "scamper." And again, being able to "scamper" doesn't mean shite in this offense.
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:42 pm to GenesChin
quote:incorrect
OMac was the same size as a RB and never had injuries during his 4 years.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:46 pm to JRoweMDN
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I still think there is a better chance of building an offense around White that another QB could step into effectively,
This argument would support handcuffing Cam Newton in 2010 because Caudle/Trotter can't run as well as Cam. Why would you build an offense with the goal of letting your backup run it?
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No guarantee JF3 gets hurt,
Any player can get hurt. You don't design an offense for backups, otherwise you have an offense that doesn't excel with your talented players.
If SW is starter, we should design offense for him, not one that fits JF3.
IF JF3 is starter, we should design offense for him, not someone on the bench.
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Looking at White in HS it looks like he has a better arm than he was permitted to show.
Not sure where this assessment comes from. Sean's arm strength looks better in college than HS. I have watched his highlight tape and other than a single pass that was 45 yards (SW to WR) he never had another pass on his highlights >~35 yards in the air.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:48 pm to GenesChin
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Not sure where this assessment comes from. Sean's arm strength looks better in college than HS. I have watched his highlight tape and other than a single pass that was 45 yards (SW to WR) he never had another pass on his highlights >~35 yards in the air.
Yeah the deep post to Ricardo vs. Ole Miss was the most zip I've seen him put on a ball in a game. It's the touch throws that he seems to leave short.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:49 pm to joeyb147
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incorrect
OMac was listed at 173lb and registered a carry in 50 out of 52 possible games in his career.
JF3 is listed at 174lb. He is listed slightly taller but without a picture next to SW we won't know for sure
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:49 pm to TTsTowel
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And again, being able to "scamper" doesn't mean shite in this offense.
We'll see this year
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Barrett Trotter and Sean White are very similar
Not really, white is a better passer and runner.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:53 pm to joeyb147
quote:He may have had nagging injuries, but I don't remember him missing any games while at Auburn. He definitely didn't have any serious injuries at Auburn and was there a full 4 years.quote:incorrect
OMac was the same size as a RB and never had injuries during his 4 years
Up until recently, Onterio McCalebb was pretty lucky to not get seriously injured given his size. I think he just had an injury settlement with the Cincy Bengals after hurting his leg (thigh injury) so it might not have been very serious and could've been simply a roster cut. He had switched from cornerback to receiver.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:54 pm to GenesChin
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and registered a carry in 50 out of 52 possible games in his career.
quote:LINK
but I don't remember him missing any games while at Auburn.
quote:when was the caveat "serious" ever said?
He definitely didn't have any serious injuries at Auburn and was there a full 4 years.
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:01 pm to CrazyCadillac
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Not really, white is a better passer and runner.
While I think SW has more potential than Trotter, how are you justifying this exactly? I wouldn't just throw this out there as obvious truth
Trotter had more TDs, better TD:INT, slightly better passer rating while slightly less COMP% and AY/A. He also averaged more YPC than SW
(Clint Moseley is similarly compared slightly better across the board)
Keep in mind that Trotter played the following ranked defenses
#2
#24,
#27
#45
#50
#59
#76
Sean White played
#2
#28
#57
#105
#106
#117
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:03 pm to CrazyCadillac
quote:2009, 2011 and 2015 weren't enough for you either, huh?
We'll see this year
quote:Based on what objective measure? Or is this strictly a subjective opinion?
Not really, white is a better passer and runner.
Barrett Trotter: 8 games
Sean White: 7 games
Barrett Trotter: 1,184 passing yards
Sean White: 1,166 passing yards
Barrett Trotter: 11 touchdowns
Sean White: 1 touchdown
Barrett Trotter: 6 interceptions
Sean White: 4 interceptions
Barrett Trotter: 62 rushing yards
Sean White: 35 rushing yards
Barrett Trotter: 129.2 QB rating
Sean White: 123.2 QB rating
Barrett Trotter: 6-2 as starter
Sean White: 3-4 as starter
And, please, don't bring up Sean White's supporting cast because Barrett Trotter's was just as poor - and Barrett Trotter's was probably actually worse.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:03 pm to GenesChin
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Trotter had more TDs, better TD:INT, slightly better passer rating while slightly less COMP% and AY/A. He also averaged more YPC than SW
In whites first year coming in as a backup. Trotter was benched for an even worse Clint moseley
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While I think SW has more potential than Trotter, how are you justifying this exactly? I wouldn't just throw this out there as obvious truth
Because I've watched both play, and played against trotter. He was not sec qb material.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:04 pm to TTsTowel
"this offense" does not have a QB capable of running it unless JF3 has done some real work on his passing. I am saying saying the offense needs to be moved towards SW skill set. By scamper I mean he is good to reach out and get the 7-8 yards available regularly, not be another RB breaking plays open. I think he will be more capable of breaking open with his arm than his legs. Do we not believe Gus can change his offense if JF3 is not ready to run what he has put up before? And then where are we if JF3 goes down? Do we stick JJ in and pray? Plus I think SW has a real will to get out there and play. Is that worth anything? Who knows:
"Private Joker is silly and he's ignorant, but he's got guts, and guts is enough"
"Private Joker is silly and he's ignorant, but he's got guts, and guts is enough"
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:06 pm to joeyb147
quote:When I brought it up as a positive for his career.
when was the caveat "serious" ever said?
Missing 2 games out of 52 considering his size and role is pretty good.
I miss seeing him and Corey Grant on the edge.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:08 pm to JRoweMDN
quote:I fully agree 100%. I absolutely agree.
"this offense" does not have a QB capable of running it unless JF3 has done some real work on his passing.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:15 pm to TTsTowel
I cant believe this topic is still going at this level 
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:17 pm to LanierSpots
It's the flavor of the off-season.
Did we ever even figure out how tall Sean White is?
Did we ever even figure out how tall Sean White is?
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:19 pm to joeyb147
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but I don't remember him missing any games while at Auburn.
I never said this. More to the point, OMac didn't miss a game SO-SR years and only had a minor ankle sprain FR year despite being a RB at 175lb. There is no reason to think JF3 is guaranteed going to be injured and even if he is, that it will be an injury >2 games
I'm sorry I didn't specify that he never missed significant time for injuries during his career Joey. You got me on his FR year
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:20 pm to GenesChin
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Why would you build an offense with the goal of letting your backup run it?
You don't. Build it for SW and know that a backup has a better chance. If you build it for JF3 you know SW cannot run it and I think JF3 is a crap shoot.
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Sean's arm strength looks better in college than HS
My point as well, he was good at 35+/- in HS and he has developed strength and conditioning since then. He showed more ability in that HS reel than he was allowed to show running an offense for AU. Probably because he was a RS freshman stepping into a shite storm.
I have my opinion that SW is who we need to build an offense for. I would like to see him develop into a 3 year starter, then have Barrett behind him. If Gus has to have an elite runner with a 70yd arm we have the wrong coach, because those guys are not available every year.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:24 pm to LanierSpots
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I cant believe this topic is still going at this level
I just got let in by the admins so I stirred up again.
And it would be dead if JJ had not been a total whiff last year. We would all have confidence that Gus had it handled, but now we need to step in and make some decisions. When we get it settled I am sending Gus the link.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:25 pm to JRoweMDN
quote:I think this is becoming more obvious as his career goes on. If he has a superior athlete with a cannon, SEC and National Championships are possible. If he doesn't, 7-8 wins with a mediocre bowl game is on the horizon.
If Gus has to have an elite runner with a 70yd arm we have the wrong coach, because those guys are not available every year.
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