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Posted on 4/25/17 at 1:57 pm to WareagleKK
Posted on 4/25/17 at 1:57 pm to WareagleKK
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I guess I should clarify...I assumed he was drunk.
A girl getting hammered and hooking up with a guy and then claiming rape afterwards (again assuming both are drunk) because she doesn't remember, doesn't seem like rape. A regret, sure, but not rape.
Isn't equality grand?
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Posted on 4/25/17 at 1:59 pm to WareagleKK
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A girl getting hammered and hooking up with a guy and then claiming rape afterwards (again assuming both are drunk) because she doesn't remember, doesn't seem like rape. A regret, sure, but not rape.
Being drunk is not a legal defense to claim incapacitation. Therefore, if both parties were drunk and consented to it, even while being drunk, its not rape. even if one or both regretted giving that consent the night before. That's the issue a lot of times. If a girl says no, then that's about as clear as you can get. If she/he say yes, but the knowledge of the consent is lost in the hangover, you got evidentiary problems, and lives can be screwed over.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 2:00 pm to CaptainBrannigan
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That is rape you piece of shite.
No, it's not. Unless he's forcing himself on her or taking advantage of her while she's unconscious or something like that, no.
If she told him at all that she didn't want to hook up, then yeah sure.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 2:01 pm to Rhymenoceros
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Being drunk is not a legal defense to claim incapacitation. Therefore, if both parties were drunk and consented to it, even while being drunk, its not rape. even if one or both regretted giving that consent the night before. That's the issue a lot of times. If a girl says no, then that's about as clear as you can get. If she/he say yes, but the knowledge of the consent is lost in the hangover, you got evidentiary problems, and lives can be screwed over.
That's kinda how I feel about it.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 2:17 pm to WareagleKK
I would highly recommend THIS BOOK (LINK) for anyone interested in the effect that Title IX and the DoJ's Office of Civil Rights has had on colleges and their administration of sexual assault cases (cases that would be better left to law enforcement with their ability to supboena, put witnesses under oath, and gather evidence) over the last 20 to 25 years.
This post was edited on 4/25/17 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 4/25/17 at 2:43 pm to WarDamn101
Girl texts
Rice's reply
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"I said no to having sex," the accuser, who is a student at Auburn University, wrote Rice. "I didn't say it just to hear my own voice, I said it because I meant it. So the fact that you didn't respect me enough to listen really really hurts. I know you knew better than that. I'm saying this because I want you to know that what you did was wrong. Whether it was 5 seconds or it was 20 minutes, it was still wrong.
Rice's reply
quote:So he apologized for nonconsensual sex...kinda seems like rape to me
"Yes I knew it was wrong and I am sorry," Rice wrote. "There is nothing I can do to make it right. I am really sorry. I should have never put you in that position, I was just in the moment. That is not the person kind of person I am. (Accuser's name) I am really sorry."
Posted on 4/25/17 at 2:54 pm to The Nino
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So he apologized for nonconsensual sex...kinda seems like rape to me
Phew. That seems rapey.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 3:13 pm to WareagleKK
Our society is so crazy at this point. You will need a signed contract in front of two witnesses in the future.
All a female has to do is claim Sexual Harassment, Title IV, etc.
NOTE: In this case, he picked up a drunk college girl. We need a new term besides rape. It was not forced entry.
All a female has to do is claim Sexual Harassment, Title IV, etc.
NOTE: In this case, he picked up a drunk college girl. We need a new term besides rape. It was not forced entry.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 3:21 pm to allin2010
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NOTE: In this case, he picked up a drunk college girl. We need a new term besides rape. It was not forced entry.
She said no before it happened. How do you know how forcefully it happened? Rice is 6'6" 250. Chances are this girl is like 5'2" 95 pounds. That's probably kind of an intimidating situation to be in, especially when you're drunk and can't think straight.
Would you still have the same view if it was your daughter/ sister/ mother that got drunk and told a guy no sex and he still had sex with her anyway?
Posted on 4/25/17 at 3:23 pm to allin2010
WTF have ya'll done to my beautiful recruiting thread? 
Posted on 4/25/17 at 3:24 pm to TigerPaw1
Still an Alabama lean, Jalen Cunningham explains how Auburn altered his selection process (SECCountry)
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Auburn clears up offer confusion with top DL
ODENVILLE, Ala. — At Auburn’s most recent junior day, there was one prospect who seemed like a sure thing to receive an offer.
Jalen Cunningham, the 6-foot-5, 360-pound defensive tackle from St. Clair County (Ala.), already had received Alabama, Mississippi State, Georgia and Ole Miss offers. He hoped to grab the Auburn one. But he left the Plains without an offer from the Tigers, so he started to narrow in on his choices.
Last week, Cunningham released a top 5 of Georgia, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Alabama and Oregon with a noticeable absence of Auburn from this top list of schools.
It didn’t take long for Auburn defensive line coach Rodney Garner to get Cunningham on the line to clear that up.
“I didn’t think I had the offer. I went down there junior day. When you interviewed me, I thought I was going to get it, but I didn’t. I guess I had it. He said he gave me the offer, but he never specified that he gave it to me,” Cunningham said. “When I dropped my top 5, Coach Garner called me and told me to call Coach (Gus) Malzahn later on that night. I talked to him for the longest, and he gave me the offer later that night.”
Despite the early confusion, Cunningham still has love for the Tigers.
It’s an in-state school, and he “has a lot of love” for the entire AU coaching staff, specifically naming Malzahn as a head coach he’s particularly close to. The late-night conversations with Malzahn and Garner worked. Cunningham knew immediately after those calls that he’d have to rework his recently-released top 5 schools.
“It changed a whole bunch,” Cunningham said. “It meant a lot because I love Auburn. I love the coaching staff. I love everybody down there.”
He plans to release a second version of his favorite schools as early as Monday. Expect Auburn to be on the list when he restructures it. The Tigers still have a lot of work to do to get into the legitimate conversation for Cunningham.
Cunningham speaks with Alabama offensive line coach Brent Key almost daily. Auburn’s communication doesn’t come anywhere near that. Garner talks with Cunningham “at least once every 2 weeks,” and Cunningham said he wanted to see that level of communication increase.
“Yeah, a lot more,” he said.
A source told SEC Country earlier this spring that the Tigers continued to evaluate Cunningham as a defensive lineman, thinking he possibly could be more of an offensive player. Cunningham said Friday that they want him at nose guard like most other programs.
Mississippi State was the only school to mention offensive line, but Dan Mullen flipped his projection to the defensive side shortly after his offer. Since Cunningham hasn’t played offensive line since early middle school, he wants to make sure prospective schools are clear about what side of the ball he’ll play on.
For now, most coaches have encouraged him to drop weight. He’s at 360 right now, but has been running daily suicides on the basketball court before and after school to try to drop weight.
Clemson, Florida State and Penn State are other programs that could enter the equation if they offer Cunningham. LSU could become a major factor if the Tigers offer him.
His decision will come just before his senior season.
Auburn made a wise move to clear up the offer confusion from post-junior day.
“When I left there, I wanted that offer. I love everything about Auburn, plus it’s in Alabama,” Cunningham said. “I knew they were going to be neck-and-neck. I love everything about Auburn. I love everybody down there. Coach Malzahn is great.”
It should be noted that Alabama will be a tough team to beat.
Cunningham’s Chevy Tahoe has a Crimson Tide license plate, a Crimson Tide logo on the back and his key lanyard is Alabama-themed.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 3:25 pm to TigerPaw1
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Offer for intriguing Crisp County (Ga.) teammate
Could Auburn turn a 2 for 1 into a 3 for 1?
That’s what the Tigers will try to do in the 2018 and 2019 recruiting classes.
Auburn knows all about Markaviest “Big Cat” Bryant, who the Tigers added in the last recruiting cycle. Then there’s 2018 linebacker Quay Walker, who is one of Auburn’s top wants in the class and has said before that he has high interest in Auburn because of his teammate relationship with Bryant at Crisp County (Ga.).
Add another name to that Crisp County relationship: Jammie Robinson.
Robinson is an unranked athlete in the Class of 2019 from Cordele, Ga., who has offers from Alabama, Auburn, South Carolina and Vanderbilt. There will be many more offers to come for the 5-foot-11, 180-pound prospect.
The interesting thing to note, however, is the fact he has offers from the top schools despite newly emerging onto the recruiting scene. There is no question programs will attempt to recruit Walker and Robinson as a 2-for-1 deal, but the Tigers have the advantage in that regard since they can use Bryant for 3-for-1 deal purposes, too.
Walker recently named Alabama his leader, so it was a wise move on Auburn’s part to offer up-and-comer Robinson.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 3:26 pm to TigerPaw1
5-star WR Justyn Ross details mother’s relationship with Auburn, other staffs (SECCountry)
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One move Auburn could make with Justyn Ross
PHENIX CITY, Ala. — No amount of distance will stop Justyn Ross’ mother from caring about her 5-star son’s recruitment.
His mother, Charay Franklin, is stationed overseas in Kuwait for one of three deployments she’s had in the Middle East during Ross’ upbringing. Franklin remains well-versed on her son’s recruiting process. When she left, Ross was just beginning to emerge as one of the nation’s top prospects.
Now he’s fully on the scene.
Auburn, Alabama, Clemson and Florida Sate have all prioritized the state of Alabama’s No. 1 overall prospect.
Franklin, in motherly fashion, wants as much information as possible from her son’s visits and conversation with coaches.
“We talk about it all of the time. Whenever I go on a visit, she always asks me what I liked about it. I always tell her how much I like the environment and how much I like being around the people,” Ross said. “But I don’t go into too much detail because the coaches still keep in contact with her while she’s over there.”
Before Franklin left for Kuwait, she had a close relationship with two coaching staffs: Auburn and Alabama.
The two in-state schools always had — and continue to have — a slight edge in that regard. But Florida State also has gotten into and remained in regular conversation with her while she’s overseas. The Crimson Tide, in particular, made an impression on Ross for their immediate desire to contact Franklin once he became a priority target.
He didn’t mention the Tigers staff specifically as one that communicates with his mother on a regular basis, but said that mother-coach relationship extends on a more personal basis early on in his recruitment.
“I don’t go into too much detail because the coaches still keep in contact with her while she’s over there,” Ross said. “It’s really important. I want her to be comfortable with the school I pick, too. Her getting a good relationship with the coaches is very important to me. With her coming back, I want to see how she feels about the schools when I go on visits to the schools I like.”
As previously reported, Ross was recently blown away by his Clemson visit, calling it “one of the best” he’s ever been on.
Auburn and Alabama still appear to be the favorites, but Ross doesn’t go into too much detail when discussing his college options. He said Clemson and Florida State are the two programs right now who have made the biggest out-of-state impression on him on visits. Georgia and Ohio State are other visits he said he’d like to take to step out of his comfort zone a little.
Franklin, an Alabama fan, only wants all of this information to stay in the loop. She will trust whatever decision Ross ultimately makes, which remains in the distant future.
“She goes with whatever I want,” Ross said. “It’s where I feel comfortable at.”
Posted on 4/25/17 at 3:27 pm to TigerPaw1
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Looking at linebacker for Auburn in 2018
Our trip last week around the state of Alabama gave us some insight into how many linebackers Auburn plans to take in the class.
Matthew Flint, who holds an Auburn offer and wore a “War Eagle” T-shirt during our interview last week, is one of Auburn’s many linebacker targets in the 2018 class. But he also indicated some uncertainty about space in the class due to the likely limited numbers at the position in this cycle.
Flint said he’s been told the Tigers expect to take only two linebackers in the class, which makes sense considering the youthful depth at the position, including three strong pieces from the 2017 class.
So let’s use this space to examine the five guys who Gus Malzahn, Kevin Steele and Travis Williams will have to choose from in 2018. (Names are in order of, in my opinion, likelihood they land in Auburn’s class). More names could add to the list as Auburn coaches enter the evaluation period — and the “likelihood” of each could change dramatically in short order.
Richard Jibunor isn’t on this list because I expect Auburn will ultimately consider him more of a Buck defensive line prospect than a linebacker, and he’ll be a part of the Tigers’ expected big defensive line haul in 2018.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 3:27 pm to The Nino
It could still be a situation where she had said she didn't want to, and then got drunk and it happened. Then she blames him for "taking advantage of her". He feels bad and apologizes because he knows she had previously said no and he shouldn't of let it happen. It really doesn't sound like he physically held her down and raped her. Sounds like a drunken uh oh on both parties. All she has to do is claim rape and boom she gets the benefit of the doubt. I don't think Rice is a bad kid..just kind of a piss poor situation to be in.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 3:27 pm to TigerPaw1
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4-star OLB Zakoby McClain, Valdosta (Ga.): When McClain last left Auburn, he labeled the Tigers as his runaway No. 1. As a smaller-framed linebacker, Travis Williams might feel like he’s looking in the mirror with this fiery, sideline-to-sideline linebacker. There are other suitors, but Auburn should feel good about McClain for now. For what it’s worth, I have a crystal ball pick for McClain to Auburn.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 3:28 pm to TigerPaw1
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4-star OLB Quay Walker, Crisp County (Ga.): I know he’s been calling Alabama his leader to reporters over the course of the last week, but don’t think Auburn will go away quietly. Walker loved Auburn well before his teammate Markaviest Bryant committed, and that relationship matters. Auburn recently offered another one of his Crisp County teammates, and their coach, Shelton Felton, has a track record of sending players to the Plains.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 3:28 pm to TigerPaw1
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4-star OLB Channing Tindall, Spring Valley (S.C.): Auburn has a lot of ground to make up against home-state South Carolina and a few other SEC foes. If Clemson pushes, that could be a big obstacle, too. But Travis Williams went to the same high school as Tindall and visited this week. As that relationship grows, Auburn’s chances skyrocket. If the Tigers get him on campus for Big Cat Weekend, they could become a threat.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 3:29 pm to TigerPaw1
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Unranked OLB Matthew Flint, Madison Co. (Ala): Flint is ranked a 3-star by 247Sports and a few others, but hasn’t yet cracked the rankings in the composite. That could change as more staffs go to Gurley, Ala., to evaluate Flint and Tae Provens. Flint loves Auburn and has a few family connections, so he’s a logical option to land in the class if the Auburn staff remains convinced by its initial evaluation.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 3:29 pm to TigerPaw1
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3-star ILB Michael Harris, Tucker (Ga.): If your eyes are on Auburn’s linebacker board, I think Harris likely would be No. 1 on that list. He’s been pretty clear so far, however, that Ohio State is the team to beat, but it is interesting to note he hasn’t yet committed despite those public sentiments. Williams and Malzahn love Harris, and he’s said before that Auburn is likely the No. 2 team behind the Buckeyes.
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